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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:12 pm

Tell me, those videos of skinning animals you like to post, were they pre-stunned and if so how, out in the wild?  The animals you say you kill yourself for meat, how do you pre-stun them?

The smell of hypocrisy reeks from here.

Plus, over 80% of halal meat is pre-stunned and all supermarkets have stated that the halal meat they sell is pre-stunned.

And stunning is sooooooooooo kind isn't it.


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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:33 pm

Shooting kills them 100% of the time, never just injured.   You lie.

“There has been a lot of confusion in the media about the difference between halal slaughter that does use pre-stunning and that which doesn’t. Well over 80% of halal slaughter in the UK is pre-stunned which means the animal is rendered unconscious and insensible before the throat is cut. None of the animals slaughtered by the kosher method are pre-stunned.


http://m.thegrocer.co.uk/buying-and-supplying/categories/fresh/halal-meat-furore-what-does-the-food-industry-say/1/357260.article?PageNo=2&SortOrder=dateadded&PageSize=10

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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:35 pm

On Wednesday, the Daily Mail reported Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Morrisons, Waitrose and Marks & Spencer all sold the imported halal meat that is not labelled as such.

All of the stores have told The Huffington Post UK that all its meat from is pre-stunned, including those slaughtered in accordance with halal.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/08/halal-meat-hysteria-new-zealand-lamb_n_5285905.html

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:03 pm

In answer to your question, yes I knowingly eat halal slaughtered food all the time, in England and elsewhere. My favourite food is Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi, so unavoidable really.

That said, if you REALLY care about animal welfare you should be more concerned with the conditions farmed animals live in their whole lives-almost certainly pretty dire in most cases-than the seconds or few minutes it takes to die.

IF, your concern is only animal welfare, that is.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:56 pm



IF ANYONE ELSE had started this thread,  I would take it much more seriously...

However,  when it is written by a racist, fascist brainless buffoon who has never shown any concern for the welfare of either animals or his fellow humans, and who has a lot less genuine concern for any kind of suffering than either myself, or the great majority of other members on here, I have to consider this garbage to be yet another of Major's typical misleading and distracting xenophobic rants..

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:23 pm

Idea         P.S.

IF has anyone here has ever eaten fish or chicken...

Or has eaten any animal caught and killed through hunting or trapping..

Then, in that case, they have consumed 'Halal' food  !

It just goes to show the ignorance of so many of the faux "anti-Halal" brigade, that so often they can't even tell us what Halal actually involves..

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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:25 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea         P.S.

IF has anyone here has ever eaten fish or chicken...

Or has eaten any animal caught and killed through hunting or trapping..

Then, in that case, they have consumed 'Halal' food  !

It just goes to show the ignorance of so many of the faux "anti-Halal" brigade, that so often they can't even tell us what Halal actually involves..

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I tghink you need to revisit the rules on hunted food vs halal....

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Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:42 pm

HALAL FISH? Laughing
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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:03 pm

nicko wrote:

HALAL FISH? Laughing

What a Face

STILL TRUE,  though...

The way that fish (and poultry, too..) is normally killed in Oz, Britain and America meets the Halal conditions for them...

That's why you never here Muslims worrying about whether the fish or fowl is "halal" --  and why many will choose the fish or poultry dishes when eating from otherwise unknown sources (like on public occasions, or when dining out..).


I WONDER WHY we never see the xenophobe brigade worrying about "Kosher" food,  when there is so much majority overlap with Halal  ???

A lot of kosher Jews will choose Halal certified food if Kosher certified products aren't available..    

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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:27 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:

HALAL FISH? Laughing

What a Face

STILL TRUE,  though...

The way that fish (and poultry, too..) is normally killed in Oz, Britain and America meets the Halal conditions for them...

That's why you never here Muslims worrying about whether the fish or fowl is "halal" --  and why many will choose the fish or poultry dishes when eating from otherwise unknown sources (like on public occasions, or when dining out..).


I WONDER WHY we never see the xenophobe brigade worrying about "Kosher" food,  when there is so much majority overlap with Halal  ???

A lot of kosher Jews will choose Halal certified food if Kosher certified products aren't available..    

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Very true and NO kosher food is prestunned.

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by eddie on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:30 pm

I really couldn't care less how my meat was killed. People that moan about halal are just moaning about Muslims really.


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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:32 pm

eddie wrote:I really couldn't care less how my meat was killed. People that moan kosher are just moaning about Muslims really.


LOL, what are you like, Kosher - Jewish that nobody moans about, virtually same rules except halal allows prestunning, Halal - Muslim.     I agree, all the fuss about halal is simply from people who hate Muslims.

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Post by eddie on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:34 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:I really couldn't care less how my meat was killed. People that moan kosher are just moaning about Muslims really.


LOL, what are you like, Kosher - Jewish that nobody moans about, virtually same rules except halal allows prestunning, Halal - Muslim.     I agree, all the fuss about halal is simply from people who hate Muslims.

Fuck sake. Just shoot me now. Rolling Eyes

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Post by sassy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:37 pm

I'd rather not Shocked

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Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:38 pm

What a load of bollocks, I don't hate Muslims, only Halal .
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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:26 am

Lord Foul wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea         P.S.

IF has anyone here has ever eaten fish or chicken...

Or has eaten any animal caught and killed through hunting or trapping..

Then, in that case, they have consumed 'Halal' food  !

It just goes to show the ignorance of so many of the faux "anti-Halal" brigade, that so often they can't even tell us what Halal actually involves..

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I tghink you need to revisit the rules on hunted food vs halal....

Was it dead when it hit the ground ?
was it bleed properly ?
and may the bunny by chance been facing mecca?

that's halal enough


But I Do think you should label it... we do
i see no reason not to let the market decide
if anyone is silly enough to care, since this is the reality of commercial slaughter
Should become a vegan..... Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by nicko on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:18 am

Handy, I have asked Dean if you can come back, he said "NO NEED"" HE'S HERE ALREADY UNDER ANOTHER NAME" !!!!
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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:25 am

I am Allakaka, if you hadn't  already guessed.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:37 am

nicko wrote:What a load of bollocks, I don't hate Muslims,  only Halal .

no need to hate all Halal
Australian Certified Halal exceeds your normal British Standards

it being Halal does NOT require cruelty, and here halal or not it still has to meet our regulatory standards
that exceed the halal ones with the exception of facing mecca
many slaughter houses down here where enterprising enough to set that as the direction of the final run.
now Halal too can sell to everyone Wink

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:26 pm

Idea

AS RECENT abbatoir animal slaughter "scandals" in Indonesia (and also in places like Vietnam and Cambodia) have shown, the biggest problem with cases of cruelty and poor animal welfare weren't with any Halal and/or Kosher requirements...

BUT with the existence of penny-pinching criminal minded slaughterhouse operators, employing low standard and poorly trained workforces to further reduce costs and pad their own pockets..

Enforcement of existing animal welfare laws, and better education and training of their workforces, has led to far better results than the xenophobe_driven and PETA_video_fuelled Euro' centric bullshit rants from the likes of fascists like Major/Stormee and co., on here..         Arrow

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Post by nicko on Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:05 pm

Can't you ever say anything nice about any one, just for a change?
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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:16 pm

Another gruesome film from your warped collection, Stormee?

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by eddie on Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:04 am

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:49 am

Major wrote:For those of you who do not know how halal workz, look at the internet if you dare without your rose tinted specs on.

Animals slaughtered for meat consumption are made to suffer purposely prior to actually dying.

Anyone eating halal products is condoning REAL CALLOUS ANIMAL CRUELTY, that is you.

I have posted one youtube for you.

Tesco do not show by labelling any of their halal products, WHY?????????

Unlike You I have been in an abattoir. So if you think any of those vids are shocking GO VEGAN you pussy

those vids are NOT the only Halal, they are 3rd world Halal.

they are Purposely bad examples Like
HOW the rest of the world found out how BAD the standards are in the UK with Mad cow Disease !!!!

A brit is the last person that can talk YOUR poor standards literally caused International Incident
Halal Has not
Maybe the Brits could learn something from Halal it Might IMPROVE your terrible standards

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Post by nicko on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:50 am

Apart from the isolated case Animal treatment in Britain is as good as any, and your post is just another chance to bash Britain.
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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:02 am

You wish it was
It is not any better than any first world halal Abattoir

So If You guys want to Bash Halal For it being Crap I MORE than get to Bash British Standards for Being AS bad or worse considering you are not MEANT to be 3rd world Hill shepherds!!!

Maybe is Fools like you manned up and LOOKED at your nation and admitted it and stead of burying your heads in the sand YOU COULD TALK
but you lot SUCK to Much to even look at how bad your nation is and HAVE THE HIDE TO CRITICIZE OTHERS!!!

You and Major Fuck the UK more than anyone cause YOU want to be the same level as 3rd world Hill shepherds, because THAT is what you keep putting up as examples!!! IF that's the case accept the Condemnation that YOU THEN DESERVE

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:07 am

You know you cant donate Blood in Australia if You ate British Beef

The Blood Service currently can’t take blood donations from people who lived in the UK for six months or more from 1980–1996.
http://www.donateblood.com.au/faq/vcjd
YOU are literally Contaminated to the point we consider it dangerous and have zero usage policy.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:37 am

nicko wrote:
Can't you ever say anything nice about any one,   just for a change?

Twisted Evil

WHY have you never rebuked Major or Tommy, over all of their abusive and ineulting attacks on here,  nicko  ???

You totally ignore Major's abuse of me, my parents and upbringing, my background...
Major's abuse of veya, sassy, Andy, Quill, and even Ben at times..
Tommy's attacks against his critics..

Frequent racist, sexist and xenophobic bullshit from that quarter...

And yet,  YOU are always all-to-ready to criticise and attack anyone you perceive  as either left-wing or a soft target,  aren't you, nicko..

Why don't you actually read some comments before attacking  ?         scratch


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:46 am

nicko wrote:
Apart from the isolated case Animal treatment in Britain is as good as any, and your post is just another chance to bash Britain.

Rolling Eyes

BULLSHIT,, nicko...


Have you ever worked in an abbatoir ?
Have you ever worked on a farm ?
If not, all that you are doing is being an unpaid apologist for corrupt corporate "farmers" and slaughterhouse operators..

Mad Cow disease was invented in Britain...
What can you expect, when UK Standards allow feedlot "farmers" (so called..) to mix dead cows back in with the cattle feed  !

Britain still has 3rd world level regulations and 19th century livestock welfare standards..
Pretty strange state-of-affairs for a country that otherwise love their animals so much.
Personally, I blame Margaret Thatcher  !        Razz

Hence the ongoing high rates of food contamination on UK beef cattle feedlots and poultry farms..

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Post by nicko on Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:56 pm

"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"? Yes, Two years in Nam, what did you do? Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:26 pm

nicko wrote:"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"?      Yes, Two years in Nam,  what did you do?   Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?

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Post by nicko on Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:00 pm

No answer then? Don't bother I don't really care what you think anyway.
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:28 pm

nicko wrote:No answer then? Don't bother I don't really care what you think anyway.

Soz nicko, I was just being sarcastic.  You are right, that is a much more significant topic...though not for the cattle.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:48 pm

nicko wrote:"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"?      Yes, Two years in Nam,  what did you do?   Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?

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GO FUCK YOURSELF, nicko...

And then pay attention, you're way out of line..


I was in primary school when you were in Vietnam..
I certainly never supported any placard-carrying protesters.

And at least I put in some years in the Army Reserve, during the 1980s..

Unlike most of your Right Wing cohorts/associates on here -- zero military or other service between them -- and they will actually brag about their collective nonchalance and cowardice..

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:31 pm

nicko wrote:"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"?      Yes, Two years in Nam,  what did you do?   Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?

Now, that's got to be the forum post of the year.

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:33 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Can't you ever say anything nice about any one,   just for a change?

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WHY have you never rebuked Major or Tommy, over all of their abusive and ineulting attacks on here,  nicko  ???

You totally ignore Major's abuse of me, my parents and upbringing, my background...
Major's abuse of veya, sassy, Andy, Quill, and even Ben at times..
Tommy's attacks against his critics..

Frequent racist, sexist and xenophobic bullshit from that quarter...

And yet,  YOU are always all-to-ready to criticise and attack anyone you perceive  as either left-wing or a soft target,  aren't you, nicko..

Why don't you actually read some comments before attacking  ?         scratch

You have absolutely no self awareness, do you? You go around attacking all and sundry on here yet scream like a big girl's blouse the minute you get some back.
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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by Guest on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:41 pm

nicko wrote:"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"?      Yes, Two years in Nam,  what did you do?   Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?

Why would campaigning for an end to war be wrong. scratch

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:51 pm

Ziz wrote:
nicko wrote:"Have I ever worked in a Slaughter House"?      Yes, Two years in Nam,  what did you do?   Walked around with a placard saying Stop The War?

Why would campaigning for an end to war be wrong. scratch

You're missing the point.
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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by Guest on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:54 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Why would campaigning for an end to war be wrong. scratch

You're missing the point.

I thought the implication was that fighting in war was somehow more honorable than protesting against it. Have I misunderstood?

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by nicko on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:56 pm

I wish they had stopped the war, but I was just a "grunt" they wouldn't listen to me. if they had stopped it I could have come home and I wouldn't wake up in the night with fucking nightmares. I didn't ask to go I was sent, and once there I did my duty.
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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by Guest on Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:58 pm

nicko wrote:I wish they had stopped the war,   but I was just a "grunt" they wouldn't listen to me. if they had stopped it I could have come home and I wouldn't wake up in the night with fucking nightmares.  I didn't ask to go I was sent, and once there I did my duty.    

No-one blames the war on those served - or at least they shouldn't.

And I'm very sorry for your suffering.

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Re: Halal Slaughter

Post by nicko on Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:10 pm

Thank you.
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