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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:59 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-die-after-being-declared-6348067#ICID=sharebar_facebook

This callous bastard needs to arrested for culpable homicide.
No wonder he tried to hush up the death toll on his watch.

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Re: 4000+ people died when "ft to work". Ffs.

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Re: 4000+ people died when "ft to work". Ffs.

Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:16 am

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Post by Miffs2 on Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:12 am

Can IDS be taken to court though? Don't get me wrong I would like to see him dangling by his balls from a lamp post outside my local job centre plus, but can he hide behind his position as a govt minister?
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Re: 4000+ people died when "ft to work". Ffs.

Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:59 pm

nicko wrote:Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep

That includes a number of injured and permanently disabled ex servicemen who have fallen on hard times.
Interesting to see your selfish and diffident opinion of your fallen peers.
I bet their families aren't so callous.

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Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:29 pm

Again I say the yawning is for your unending bashing of the right wing,
nothing to do with the subject.
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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:31 pm

Its a thread in the political section.
Dont like it, ignore it. Dont demean youself.
So you agree with me  about IDS.
Easier to eat himble pie and just say so.
If you only like threads that are pro rw or exreme rw, we both know a forum that fits the bill.


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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:36 pm

best get him now Nicko...whilst his puppet master is absent

without her hand up his ass he's helpless

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:37 pm

Hiya Foul.
Good to see my troll is still stalking me.

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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:38 pm

and on the subject of the OP

I'm not sure IDS himself CAN be taken to court

ministerial privilidge and all that....

His DEPARTMENT however is another matter......

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Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:38 pm

I,v never eaten Humble pie in my life, and I would never start now!
I'v explained about the yawns, take it or leave it, either way I don't care.
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Post by nicko on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:40 pm

OH CHRIST, HIS ON ABOUT FLAP AGAIN.
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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:41 pm

yes...well HA as long as you and your puppet master keep setting out to provoke certain posters, you can be assured I will be lurking in the shadows......

when you learn to keep a civil tongue in your head and post topics...however controvertial....sans the continuous and tedious personal baiting...I may decide that you are no longer worthy of concern...

untill then I will do whatever I need to prevent YOU from disrupting this forum......

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:03 pm

The CPS can prosecute ministers over this. Check out the Independent  link.
IDS will be a worried man.
His junior ministers wont want to be the fall guys for his cruelty and callous policies.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:03 pm

It would have to be established that the people died of their disability of course, and then it would have to be established that they died as a direct result of being told they should get a job. Then there would have to be an investigation as to how many people who work actually die.

There's no mention of them actually being refused benefits, so I presume they're not dying of starvation?

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:07 pm

Some were refused.
Some died at home, unable to afford the bus fare to the job centre.
Some died of heart conditions when they were told they had to seek wprk or lose all of their benefits.
There is a full judicial review in Scotland at present.
Dependent on the results, charges may be brought on Ministers, IDS incuded.
The link to the Independent gives the story.

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:18 pm

2 further points , whilst we are having a proper and for us, civil, debate.
1. If only 1 person was PROVEN to have have died directly  as a result of IDS's austeriry cuts, are they justified?
2. Conversely, If it can be proven that that person died DIRECTLY as a result of IDS's austerity cuts, should IDS face the full force of the law for cuplable homicide or death by neglect?
As I said IDS seems to be troubled and worried man nowadays.
When he realised there could be a shitstorm heading his way, he has backtracked on his austerity policy stating that it went too far.
I will loot it up.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:18 pm

Handy Andy wrote:Some were refused.
Some died at home, unable to afford the bus fare to  the job centre.
Some died of heart conditions when they were told they had to seek wprk or lose all of their benefits.
There is a full judicial review in Scotland at present.
Dependent on the  results, charges may be brought  on Ministers, IDS incuded.
The link to the Independent  gives the story.

I can't find references in that article to the matters you raised.

It would be very difficult to prove any kind of causal relationship if someone died of a heart condition after being told they were fit to work because they might have died anyway.

Died at home? Of what?

I'm merely trying to be logical here rather than commenting on the rights and wrongs of the actual decisions which were made.

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:23 pm

I believe there are around 100 individual  cases up before the coroner in England.
As I said, will do some researxh.
The most telling aspect is the apparent U turn by  Smith.
He resigned when he asked formore money.

Disability benefits U-turn leaves Cameron with £4.4bn to find

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/21/stephen-crabb-government-u-turns-disability-cuts-leaves-budget-disarray?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:01 pm

In a nutshell, IDS introduced stark and harsh austetity reforms to his DWP, means testing everyone for fitness to work, even those dying in hospices.
He was getting away with it until the threats of litigations started lsnding on his desk from families, barristers and the courts.
He realised he had gone too far and tried to persuade Dave and Gideon to U turn on his cuts.
They were having none of of it, so to save face , he resigned.
Stephen Crabb picked up the tab, realised thousands would die on his watch so he insisted the cuts were watere down.
To an extent they have been, only 80 per week are dying wholst being told they are fit for work rather than hundreds.
It emains unacceptable in a civilised society that a hard working man can have his PIP terminated because he failed to attend a back to work interview at the DWP a few hours before his family say their final farewells at his hospice.

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Handy Andy wrote:I believe there are around 100 individual  cases up before the coroner in England.
As I said, will do some researxh.
The most telling aspect is the apparent U turn by  Smith.
He resigned when he asked formore money.

Disability benefits U-turn leaves Cameron with £4.4bn to find

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/21/stephen-crabb-government-u-turns-disability-cuts-leaves-budget-disarray?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

The only way to do it is to actually accuse him in specific cases, and even then, it would have to be proved that he caused their death. Testing people who are on benefits isn't wrong in itself because fraudulent claims have to be weeded out, and it has to be established if someone is permanently unable to work or not.

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