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So this is how liberty dies? Hungary’s EU migrant quota referendum

Post by Irn Bru on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:39 am

On 2 October a referendum was held in Hungary on the EU’s plans for refugee and migrant resettlement. 98 per cent of those who turned out supported the government in voting ‘No’ but the result was invalid as the 50 per cent turnout threshold was not met. Zoltán Gábor Szűcs discusses the background to the referendum and the campaign itself. He suggests that the referendum and campaign, the most expensive in modern Hungarian history, fell short of what we would expect in a democratic country.

The 2 October referendum on the EU’s migrant quota did not make it much easier for foreign observers of Hungarian politics to understand what is going on. The right-wing government gathered huge support for its politics (3.3 million votes, over 98 per cent of those who voted), but failed to secure the 50 per cent turnout required for a valid referendum. The latter is somewhat ironic because it was the present government that raised the threshold to 50 per cent. And it is all the more surprising too since the money they spent on this campaign is unprecedented in post-communist Hungarian history, the opposition was divided and the government made extensive use of state-controlled media and public administration resources in controversial (even illegal) ways to persuade the public to vote ‘No’. The immediate response of the government was telling in the sense that they said nothing about the invalidity of the referendum in legal terms, but declared a big political victory.


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Alas, I feel our country is heading in the same direction

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Re: So this is how liberty dies? Hungary’s EU migrant quota referendum

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:01 pm

And the reason why the turnout was short of the required mark is that the people in support of letting them in stayed away to scupper the vote... knowing that they would lose... they kept away to stop the turnout getting the 50% required...


The 'migrants' are nothing more than illegal immigrants and economic migrants... if they are fleeing war them they have a right to sanctuary... but this should be in surrounding countries from which they are fleeing...


Once they pass through these countries and places of safety... then they are no longer fleeing war... they are trying to get a place that is economically more beneficial to them than the safe place they have already found... and that changes their status from refugees... to economic migrants... and therefore illegal immigrants...


They should stay in Turkey or lebenon etc and the Africans should all be returned to the African union to deal with...


Good on Hungary... and if we don't start bring tougher soon then we will have half the 3rd world trying to turn up with a sob story and trying to blag their way in...

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:And the reason why the turnout was short of the required mark is that the people in support of letting them in stayed away to scupper the vote... knowing that they would lose... they kept away to stop the turnout getting the 50% required...


The 'migrants' are nothing more than illegal immigrants and economic migrants... if they are fleeing war them they have a right to sanctuary... but this should be in surrounding countries from which they are fleeing...


Once they pass through these countries and places of safety... then they are no longer fleeing war... they are trying to get a place that is economically more beneficial to them than the safe place they have already found... and that changes their status from refugees... to economic migrants... and therefore illegal immigrants...


They should stay in Turkey or lebenon etc and the Africans should all be returned to the African union to deal with...


Good on Hungary... and if we don't start bring tougher soon then we will have half the 3rd world trying to turn up with a sob story and trying to blag their way in...

Isn't that what most people do?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:32 pm

The current lot are passing through multiple places of safety to head towards places that are not any more safe... but are perceived to be of better financial opportunity/gain...

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:28 am

Tommy Monk wrote:And the reason why the turnout was short of the required mark is that the people in support of letting them in stayed away to scupper the vote... knowing that they would lose... they kept away to stop the turnout getting the 50% required...


The 'migrants' are nothing more than illegal immigrants and economic migrants... if they are fleeing war them they have a right to sanctuary... but this should be in surrounding countries from which they are fleeing...


Once they pass through these countries and places of safety... then they are no longer fleeing war... they are trying to get a place that is economically more beneficial to them than the safe place they have already found... and that changes their status from refugees... to economic migrants... and therefore illegal immigrants...


They should stay in Turkey or lebenon etc and the Africans should all be returned to the African union to deal with...


Good on Hungary... and if we don't start bring tougher soon then we will have half the 3rd world trying to turn up with a sob story and trying to blag their way in...

You should have clicked on the link provided about the actions of the RW Hungarian government and the tactics and policies that they have put in place in their term of office to see the point about liberty.

Here's an extract...

The free fall of the left and the emergence of the far-right Jobbik party radically restructured the political space and provided the opportunity for Fidesz to gain a constitutional majority in the parliament in 2010. The new government could change constitutional institutions without the consent of the opposition, and they were not reluctant to use their power to such purposes. They drafted a new Constitution, a very controversial media regulation, restrained the power of the Constitutional Court, extended citizenship to ethnic Hungarians living in the neighboring countries and, among other things, put political appointees into the Constitutional Court, the national election office, the police, the new media authorities and a lot of other positions. The government also used its extensive political power to reorder the Hungarian economy.

That's hardly half of what they have done in power but if you want to live in a country like that under a regime like that then you may just get it with this current lot in power.

Good luck.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:13 am



Better than having the insidious left wing flooding the country with dangerous Islamists...

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Post by eddie on Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:22 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Better than having the insidious left wing flooding the country with dangerous Islamists...

Did you wake up with that phrase on your lips?

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Re: So this is how liberty dies? Hungary’s EU migrant quota referendum

Post by Lord Foul on Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:51 am

Its got nowt to do with us...

hungary's decision, hungarians problem

we should by now have learned to keep our big noses out of other countries affairs

of course ,I do realise that that philosophy only applied when right leaning govts do something....
the left feel free to interfere/comment and generally act the busy body....when it suits them.

I say..let em get on with doing their own thing...its not like they are threatening us....

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