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Post by sassy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:28 am

Parliamentary vote on final Brexit agreement hailed as 'victory' by pro-EU MPs

Parliament has the right to reject the final Brexit deal, No.10 has indicated for the first time – raising the possibility that Britain’s EU exit could yet be halted.
Downing Street agreed it is “very likely” that MPs and peers will be given a vote once the withdrawal negotiations are finished, after the issue arose in the High Court.
The statement – after the Prime Minister repeatedly refused to give ground on demands for Parliament to have a say on Brexit – immediately triggered furious debate about the possible consequences.

One senior pro-EU Conservative MP called it a “victory for all those who believe in the right of Parliament to represents the interests of our constituents”.
And the prospect of Parliament exerting some control over the final settlement caused the pound to surge immediately against the dollar in exchange markets.
The development came on the third day of the legal challenge against the Government’s separate refusal to give Parliament a vote before Article 50 is invoked.
James Eadie QC told the High Court that Parliament would have to ratify any package hammered out with Brussels – prompting Theresa May’s spokeswoman to say it was an “accurate reflection” of the Government’s interpretation of the law.
It raised the prospect, at the very least, that MPs and peers could amend the Brexit deal if they opposed key elements of the impact on trade, immigration or other areas.
However, it could also mean Britain tumbling out of the EU – probably in early 2019 – with no deal whatsoever.

Mr Carmichael, a supporter of the Open Britain campaign, which wants close economic ties with Europe, said a vote in two years’ time was no substitute for a say on the terms for starting the exit.
He said: “It’s an encouraging sign that the Government has agreed to give Parliament a say on the final terms of Brexit. But there must be a role of Parliament before the end of the negotiations.
“The best place to start would be for the Government to commit to a debate and a vote in the House of Commons on the Government’s principles for the upcoming negotiations before they trigger Article 50.”
For the Liberal Democrats, Foreign Affairs Spokesman Tom Brake said the final decision whether to approve a Brexit deal should be made by the public – in a second referendum.
He said: “It’s telling that it’s taken a court case to get the Government to finally admit it will give Parliament say on the Brexit deal.
“The Liberal Democrats will fight to ensure the British people are also given a say over the final deal to ensure it is right for them.”
The Government has insisted it would not be possible to slam the brakes on EU withdrawal after the two-year Article 50 notice is triggered, early next year.
But some leading lawyers have argued there is nothing in Article 50 to prevent the UK withdrawing its declaration that it intends to leave the EU, if it chose to do so.
And that possibility was raised recently that Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council, who suggested the UK could later “determine if Brexit is really in their interest”.
Gina Miller, a London businesswoman, is leading the High Court challenge, demanding that MPs be given a vote on the timing of the invoking of Article 50.
Government lawyers oppose the case, stressing that the Prime Minister is legally within her rights to go ahead with the formal process next March, using Royal Prerogative powers.
The Attorney General Jeremy Wright argued in court that the court challenge is an attempt to “invalidate” the public’s decision to quit the EU.
Three senior judges – the lord chief justice, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, the master of the rolls, Sir Terence Etherton, and Lord Justice Sales – are hearing the case, which is certain to end up in the Supreme Court.
In the hearing, Mr Eadie said it was likely that Parliamentary scrutiny would include ratifying any new treaty reached with the EU during the Article 50 process.

He told the High Court: “The Government view, at the moment, is that it is very likely that any such agreement would be subject to ratification.”
David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, had previously acknowledged that Parliamentary approval was likely to be needed – when warning the House of Lords not to try to scupper Brexit – but Ms May had been silent.
Keir Starmer QC MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the EU, said: “The House of Commons needs to be involved in this process from start to finish. The issues involved are simply too important for the House of Commons to be side-lined until the end. 
“A vote so late in the day would put MPs between a rock and a hard place. It would ask us to choose between a deal on the government's terms or leaving the European Union with no deal at all.
“That is an unacceptable position for us to be in.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html



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Post by sassy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:32 am

Oh I can see some exploding heads when this news gets round in the morning.

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:46 am

sassy wrote:Oh I can see some exploding heads when this news gets round in the morning.

The sound of mugs shattering on the hard floor of realpolitik.

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Post by sassy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:47 am

Into a thousand pieces!

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Post by sassy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:24 am

I can hear the screams this morning as newspapers are opened and the story is revealed lol

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Post by magica on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:46 am

Brexit will go ahead.

If the stay voters won and Brexit voters wanted to have another vote, they would be laughed at.  The government cannot over turn millions of peoples votes.

Ive heard say, well they didn't know what they voted for, do they really think people, young and old, white and black are such ignorant people.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:37 pm



Wiggle and squirm as much as you want... but make no mistake... we are leaving the eu...!



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Post by nicko on Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:00 pm

If Tory or Labour block our leaving the EU 17 million or so people will not vote for them again !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:05 pm

It will be a Ukip govt with a Ukip majority... and then they will vote through what the people want!!!

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Post by eddie on Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:19 pm

The vote result should not be overturned. I'd be saying that, no matter the outcome.
If the vote is "overturned" - and let's face it, that's what we are dressing this bollocks up as - then a vote should never mean anything again.

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:23 pm

eddie wrote:The vote result should not be overturned. I'd be saying that, no matter the outcome.
If the vote is "overturned" - and let's face it, that's what we are dressing this bollocks up as - then a vote should never mean anything again.

It was advisory, it does not overrule or bind the elected executive - I suspect that was deliberate.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:34 pm

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eddie wrote:The vote result should not be overturned. I'd be saying that, no matter the outcome.
If the vote is "overturned" - and let's face it, that's what we are dressing this bollocks up as - then a vote should never mean anything again.

It was advisory, it does not overrule or bind the elected executive -  I suspect that was deliberate.

That is the real point.  It was a referendum to gauge support for the country's continued membership in the European Union.  It has no legally binding effect, and is advisory only.

So now you have the advise of some 51.9% of 72% of the voters.  There's no telling if the same voters would turn out for a parliamentary election, just as there is no telling if some of them might change their mind between the two elections.

They could just hang it on a wall and treat it as artwork.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:50 pm



The Remainians don't like democracy... That's why they support the eu dictatorship and the eu having control over our democracy...




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Post by Original Quill on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:30 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Remainians don't like democracy... That's why they support the eu dictatorship and the eu having control over our democracy...

You didn't make the vote mean anything. That's not democracy's fault, you got outmaneuvered. Y'all gave two choices, one of which was: "Leave the European Union..."

Next time include the clause: "...and require Parliament to invoke Article 50." Brexit had no enabling clause. Give it some teeth, fgs.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:15 am

Yawn...

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Remainians don't like democracy... That's why they support the eu dictatorship and the eu having control over our democracy.


The democratic vote on here indicated that80+% think the Nazi party are rw.
But you dont go along with that vote.
As your toyboy Trump wont accept the Presidential vote.

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Post by nicko on Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:16 pm

Democratic vote on here 80% , sure, that'll be about 10 people.
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