Was Trump tax leak an act of revenge over 16 years in the making?

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Was Trump tax leak an act of revenge over 16 years in the making?

Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:57 pm

At 1:34 p.m. Sunday, Donald Trump’s second ex-wife, Marla Maples, tweeted a photograph of a pumpkin patch. Does what happened next contain clues that confirm she anonymously mailed Trump’s 1995 tax return to The New York Times?

Maybe, or maybe it’s nothing at all! Please bear with me here.

Maples, who told me last month she’s been practicing Kabbalah for twenty years, captioned the photo of the pumpkins and the hay, “#FallLove Breathe it in as if 2day’s the first day of your life. The kabbalist’s say 2nite Adam&Eve were created. S… [sic]”

In response to the tweet, Marc Caputo, a Politico reporter, said, “TFW you serve up a cold plate of revenge and then appreciate fall as you think about Etz Hayim, the Shekinah & Isaac ben Luria.”

Twitter user @PoliticalBuffs then replied to Maples and Caputo, “wow. How do u know abt those stuff? [sic]”

To which Maples said, “A lot of studying & an open mind to learn” with both a star emoji and a prayer emoji.

On Saturday night, the Times published Trump’s 1995 tax return, a three-page document that revealed he had declared a $916 million loss, which, in the Times’ assessment, means he then potentially could have legally avoided “paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years.”
This is the sparkly unicorn of opposition research relating to the Republican nominee, who has thus far refused to participate in the disclosure of financial documents customary of major party nominees since the Nixon era. Reporters, editors, and publishers wanted Trump’s tax returns so badly that Dean Baquet, the Times’ executive editor, publicly said he’d be willing to go to jail to publish them, which in the end, was apparently an effective means of obtaining them.

But nobody knows who sent them.

The documents were mailed with a New York City postmark and a Trump Tower return address to Times reporter Susanne Craig, who covers City Hall but in August displayed a nuanced understanding of Trump’s business dealings with the story “Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties.” As far as the public knows, that’s the only information about the sender.

Besides Trump, who would be in possession of such a valuable document?

Maples would.

In 1995, Trump was married to the zen actress (their holy union would come to its unfortunate conclusion two years later). She signed the tax returns “Marla Trump” in her delicate script.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/02/is-a-cryptic-tweet-by-marla-maples-a-clue-as-to-source-behind-trump-tax-leak.html

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Post by eddie on Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:51 pm

Nothing like a woman scorned.

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Post by Jules on Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:48 pm

Tax fraud was the only way through which the authorities could break big Al. There was no other way they could get any dirt to stick.  Who in their right mind would have dared give evidence against Capone for his many murders? pale

If it worked for him it could work for Trump.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:00 pm

The way they got Al Capone was that his lifestyle so outweighed his income, that they literally worked up an income based upon his trappings.

With Trump, it's not the $916-million deductions, but the specific transactions and how he has used that Trust...or Foundation. His $25,000 payment to Florida Attorney General and 4-days later she decides Florida will not join in the lawsuit over Trump University, looks a bit shaky, especially when the funds came from the trust. Same with his $35,000 donation to Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, with the same result,

Both Bondi and Abbott might also be investigated, along the lines outlined in the movie, American Hustle.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:10 pm

Jules wrote:Tax fraud was the only way through which the authorities could break big Al. There was no other way they could get any dirt to stick.  Who in their right mind would have dared give evidence against Capone for his many murders? pale

If it worked for him it could work for Trump.
can you point out any tax fraud trump has committed.

as far as I am aware no one has suggested he has done anything illegal

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:11 pm

Original Quill wrote:The way they got Al Capone was that his lifestyle so outweighed his income, that they literally worked up an income based upon his trappings.

With Trump, it's not the $916-million deductions, but the specific transactions and how he has used that Trust...or Foundation.  His $25,000 payment to Florida Attorney General and 4-days later she decides Florida will not join in the lawsuit over Trump University, looks a bit shaky, especially when the funds came from the trust.  Same with his $35,000 donation to Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, with the same result,

Both Bondi and Abbott might also be investigated, along the lines outlined in the movie, American Hustle.
didn't clinton avoid taxes by paying money into her foundation?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:30 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:The way they got Al Capone was that his lifestyle so outweighed his income, that they literally worked up an income based upon his trappings.

With Trump, it's not the $916-million deductions, but the specific transactions and how he has used that Trust...or Foundation.  His $25,000 payment to Florida Attorney General and 4-days later she decides Florida will not join in the lawsuit over Trump University, looks a bit shaky, especially when the funds came from the trust.  Same with his $35,000 donation to Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, with the same result,

Both Bondi and Abbott might also be investigated, along the lines outlined in the movie, American Hustle.
didn't clinton avoid taxes by paying money into her foundation?

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-donations-clinton-foundation/

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:54 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:The way they got Al Capone was that his lifestyle so outweighed his income, that they literally worked up an income based upon his trappings.

With Trump, it's not the $916-million deductions, but the specific transactions and how he has used that Trust...or Foundation.  His $25,000 payment to Florida Attorney General and 4-days later she decides Florida will not join in the lawsuit over Trump University, looks a bit shaky, especially when the funds came from the trust.  Same with his $35,000 donation to Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, with the same result,

Both Bondi and Abbott might also be investigated, along the lines outlined in the movie, American Hustle.
didn't clinton avoid taxes by paying money into her foundation?

Yes. Your real question is not what Clinton did, which was legal, but in your above post...what Trump did wrong. First, Trump was caught paying-off AG Bondi (Fla) and AG Abbott (Tx) to steer their respective states away from a growing lawsuit against Donald and Trump University. In both cases he used Foundation funds. He has already paid the fine in the Bondi case.

Second, he was caught bribing officials. If he doesn't get elected, he should get prison time.

Clinton has done nothing illegal. All Republicans have alleged in her case are innuendos and suggestions...nothing of any substance. They've devoted the entire Congress, the past six years, looking for something on her...and nada,


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:34 pm

Original Quill wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
didn't clinton avoid taxes by paying money into her foundation?

Yes.  Your real question is not what Clinton did, which was legal, but in your above post...what Trump did wrong.  First, Trump was caught paying-off AG Bondi (Fla) and AG Abbott (Tx) to steer their respective states away from a growing lawsuit against Donald and Trump University.  In both cases he used Foundation funds.   He has already paid the fine in the Bondi case.

Second, he was caught bribing officials.  If he doesn't get elected, he should get prison time.

Clinton has done nothing illegal.  All Republicans have alleged in her case are innuendos and suggestions...nothing of any substance.  They've devoted the entire Congress, the past six years, looking for something on her...and nada,

and as far as I am aware no one has claimed trump legally avoiding taxes is breaking the law.

so avoiding taxes by paying money to your own foundation is standard practice in america?

and when it comes to payoffs what about the tarp funds siphoned to the democratic party for the bank bailouts.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:08 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes.  Your real question is not what Clinton did, which was legal, but in your above post...what Trump did wrong.  First, Trump was caught paying-off AG Bondi (Fla) and AG Abbott (Tx) to steer their respective states away from a growing lawsuit against Donald and Trump University.  In both cases he used Foundation funds.   He has already paid the fine in the Bondi case.

Second, he was caught bribing officials.  If he doesn't get elected, he should get prison time.

Clinton has done nothing illegal.  All Republicans have alleged in her case are innuendos and suggestions...nothing of any substance.  They've devoted the entire Congress, the past six years, looking for something on her...and nada,

and as far as I am aware no one has claimed trump legally avoiding taxes  is breaking the law.

so avoiding taxes by paying money to your own foundation is standard practice in america?

and when it comes to payoffs what about the tarp funds siphoned to the democratic party for the bank bailouts.

I don't think anyone suggested that until you brought it up, Dean.  The damage avoiding taxes does is political, not legal.  Trump runs on a platform of being an outsider, not privileged and relatively naive to the ways of 'devil politics'.  He claims to be 'one of us'...and we are being ripped off by the 'devil politicians'.  Then he shows that he is not at all the 'outsider' when it comes to the tax laws.

Who among us--the little people, the outsiders, the unwashed and unprivileged--could even afford the tax attorneys and accountants to build such a case?  Who among us are so fortunate as to have nearly a $-billion-dollar loss?  We are the little people whose taxes go to supporting the mighty military machine, the wall, the deportation force and the ICE agents who keep out the Muslims.  

Now, come to find out that Trump doesn't even have to pay his dues to join our club.  A free pass?  A privilege?  It doesn't seem like he has earned his voice.  Perhaps he should be denied access to our military, to our borders and to our police forces, until he pays his dues.  In fact, while he should be encouraged to run, to be sure, if he wins he should not be allowed to touch anything he has not supported.  A bargained-for exchange?  Fair?  You get the flavor of the argument.

Tax returns are so much more that who pays, how much.  They are a wealth of information.  Who owns what?  Who is responsible for closing factories in Detroit, and sending the business and employment over to China?  Who uses his 501c Foundation to pay personal debts?  And who makes pay-offs to state officials to bribe them to forego certain actions, like filing lawsuits against you?

That's where it's not political, but legal...or, that is to say, illegal.

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