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Post by Lord Foul on Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:05 pm

You can't start them off young enough when it comes to politics: Jeremy Corbyn's supporters are setting up a youth wing to nurture the next generation of political activists.

Momentum Kids will launch nationwide across 150 local groups, with the aim of boosting the political involvement of children and the Corbyn-supporting activist movement by "promoting political activity that is fun, engaging and child-friendly".

Dubbed "Tiny Trots" by Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, Momentum will run a kids' programme at a four-day festival on the fringes of the Labour conference next weekend.

Children will be able to attend campaigning workshops and story-telling sessions as part of the arts, music, politics and cultural event in Liverpool.
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Alan Gibbons, the children's author who will run some of the kids programme over the weekend, said he hoped Momentum Kids would offer children an antidote to "an education system that treats them only as future productive drones" and "develops only part of their personality".

"We believed that children are naturally inquisitive and creative and we seek to develop that potential in the hope that a new, freer society, more responsive to human need, will fulfil their hopes, dreams and aspirations to the full," he said.



From http://news.sky.com/story/momentum-kids-jeremy-corbyns-backers-launch-childrens-wing-10584487



I know of someone else who did this this not so long back...........wonder how long it will be untill he has them "reporting their dissident parents" so the heavy mob can move in and throw abuse and worse at them...all in the name of equality of course....

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:16 pm

UKIP youth wing: http://www.youngindependence.org.uk/

The Tories had Conservative Future, found a page for an EDL youth group (http://www.youngindependence.org.uk/), there's a youth wing for LibDem (http://www.liberalyouth.org/).

What's unique about the Labour leader having a youth group?

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:19 am

His (and his supporters) mentality

I mean have you been following the dismal trail of intimidation etc by his troopers???

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:27 am

Lord Foul wrote:You can't start them off young enough when it comes to politics: Jeremy Corbyn's supporters are setting up a youth wing to nurture the next generation of political activists.

Momentum Kids will launch nationwide across 150 local groups, with the aim of boosting the political involvement of children and the Corbyn-supporting activist movement by "promoting political activity that is fun, engaging and child-friendly".

Dubbed "Tiny Trots" by Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, Momentum will run a kids' programme at a four-day festival on the fringes of the Labour conference next weekend.

Children will be able to attend campaigning workshops and story-telling sessions as part of the arts, music, politics and cultural event in Liverpool.
Owen Smith on Sky and Jeremy Corbyn on ITV's Peston
Video: Labour leadership row

Alan Gibbons, the children's author who will run some of the kids programme over the weekend, said he hoped Momentum Kids would offer children an antidote to "an education system that treats them only as future productive drones" and "develops only part of their personality".

"We believed that children are naturally inquisitive and creative and we seek to develop that potential in the hope that a new, freer society, more responsive to human need, will fulfil their hopes, dreams and aspirations to the full," he said.



From  http://news.sky.com/story/momentum-kids-jeremy-corbyns-backers-launch-childrens-wing-10584487



I know of someone else who did this this not so long back...........wonder how long it will be untill he has them "reporting their dissident parents" so the heavy mob can move in and throw abuse and worse at them...all in the name of equality of course....

That is one of the most sinister political statements to be made in Britain in recent times, overtly calling for the circumvention of the state education system in the interests of hard Left Wing philosophy.

As the American psychologist and behaviourist B F Skinner said: "Give me a child and I will shape him into anything..."
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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:09 am

Morning Scrat, not a well bunny at the mo so not hanging around, but this load of bunkem has to be shown up for the establishment hogwash it is.

Vic, you always told me you were a Nationalist Socialist.   Well Nationalist you certainlly are, Socialist you definitely aren't, because all those things you said you supported, well, that is what we are fighting for at the moment and instead of joining in, you spout the establishment line, it's pathetic.

Moley - give me a child and I'll give you the man - yep, exactly what is happening to children at the moment, don't think for yourselves, just become little establishment clones.




The sneering at 'Momentum Kids' shows why Jeremy Corbyn's opponents are losing

There are many reasons Jeremy Corbyn will win the Labour leadership contest later this week. The huge influx of new left-leaning members and the weakness of his rival candidate both mean that he should be comfortably re-elected as Labour leader on Saturday.
But the other major reason for Corbyn's continued supremacy is the cack-handed and self-defeating nature of the attacks his Labour opponents have made against him.
This can be seen most clearly in the controversy today over plans by Momentum to set up a network of children's groups for Labour activists and their children under the name "Momentum Kids".
In a statement sent out last night, the Corbyn-supporting group explained that: "Momentum is to launch a nationwide initiative to increase the involvement of children, parents and carers in Momentum and the Labour Party. Momentum Kids, originally set up by two mothers in Stroud, will expand across Momentum's network of 150 local groups, ensuring that single parents and sole carers have access to cooperatively run breakfast clubs, after school sessions and child care they need to facilitate their political engagement."

It is hard to think of a more benign initiative than this. In a country where the majority of senior national, and even local, politicians are middle-class, middle-aged men, any attempt to make it easier for women and single-parents to get involved in politics can only be a good thing.
Yet rather than welcome or even just tactfully ignore the announcement, Jeremy Corbyn's opponents have decided to spend their time mocking it as some sort of attempted mass-indoctrination programme. With hashtags including #tinytrots and #childlabour, they have attempted to link the programme to everything from Chairman Mao to North Korea. People who just days ago were calling for the expulsion of Ken Livingstone for invoking Hitler have become suddenly totally unconcerned about making Hitler Youth comparisons in relation to Momentum.

Leaving aside the absurd comparison between some of the most sinister regimes in history and a proposal to set up creches for the children of Labour activists, the attacks also reveal the systemic weakness of Corbyn's opponents. Over the past year the Labour party has turned into a mass movement, with hundreds of thousands of new members joining the party. Rightly or wrongly, these new members have been inspired both by Corbyn himself and by the community of Labour-supporting activists and groups around him.
It is understandable that many long-standing members must feel anxious or even resentful towards such a movement, especially when it has helped to elect a leader who most long-standing members do not want. When some of these newer Labour members are involved in the abuse and intimidation of MPs and councillors, it is also perfectly legitimate for Corbyn's opponents to criticise him for failing to get to grips with the problem.
But increasingly these legitimate criticisms and concerns have spilled over into an almost automatic sneering and mockery directed towards anything and anybody associated with Corbyn and his supporters.
Of course there's nothing wrong with mocking politicians themselves. When Corbyn put his name forward for Labour leader, he also put himself forward for years of derision, mockery and scorn. Laughing at our political leaders is an inevitable and even healthy part of British politics. The lack of deference towards our leaders is something that has long been inherent in our political culture and which I actually think is a good thing.
But if at some point you find yourself sneering at two mums who have set up a childcare project in Stroud simply because they happen to support a different Labour leadership candidate to you, then it really is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself whether this will really advance your cause.
Corbyn's biggest success in this election has been his ability to sell it as a contest between a sneering out-of-touch Labour establishment and a mass of ordinary political activists. Rather than attempt to counter this narrative, Corbyn's opponents have increasingly seemed to confirm it. Whether it's the derisive attitude towards Corbyn's supporters, the repeated attempts to exclude Labour members from voting, or Owen Smith's comments about the potential expulsion of Momentum from Labour, Corbyn's opponents have repeatedly given him exactly what he was looking for.
Of course there are legitimate criticisms to be made against the movement around Jeremy Corbyn. But attacking a small group of otherwise unknown activists for the crime of trying to help mothers and single parents get involved in politics clearly isn't one of them.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/09/19/sneering-momentum-kids-shows-jeremy-corbyn-opponents-losing












Oh, and you know who else objected to things like this - Anders Breivik - that was his reason for killing all those kids in Norway.

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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:22 am

Unless I'm reading this whole thread all wrong...what is wrong with starting a youth group? scratch

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:33 am

Nothing, especially when it's object is to empower single parents to take part in the politics of their community, something which they normally don't have the chance to involve themselves in.   Giving the powere back to the people, it's what JC is all about.

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:47 am

Rubbish sassy...

corbyn suppoeters throwing bricks into opponents windows, harrasing and threatening...

and not a word from the "top"

a vision of future labour ? disagree and we will brick your windows???

I mean we se it here ...disagree with the left and out come the personal insults ...so....

AND...

I dont see much ..indeed ANY inclination to promulgate and implement the things I see as socially needed

a citizens allowance (and get rid of the rest except certain "top up" benefits)
legalise prostitution
legalise cannabis
and the rest of that looong list I posted way back


what I DO see is the continuation in decline of standards , both educational and personal
which were started by the leftist philosophy of the late 60's early 70's
and now manifest themselves in those feckless PJ wearing wasters that we have been talking about...

I DO see even more of the odd but quite evident "rule by the loudest" rather than majority rule

What I want isnt Corbyn, nor I doubt, has he the ability or guts to even try it...

what I want is a system where no one goes in need (hence a citizens allowance) BUT IF YOU ABUSE THE SYSTEM (by having 8 kids by 12 different fathers for instance) well on YOUR head be it.....

what I want is a system that makes sure those who have (and are breaking the tax system) pay their share

what I also want (but doubt if its govt business) is standards of behaviour improved (and those PJ wearing, cussing and slapper like parents being decried socially for their slobbery) UGHHHH

AND I want parents making as responsible for their childrens behaviour as a dog owner is for his dogs behaviour....with penaltys which reflect the severity of their kids misbehaviour.





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corbyn visits the first youth movement cadre

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:09 am

Lord Foul wrote:Rubbish sassy...

corbyn suppoeters throwing bricks into opponents windows, harrasing and threatening...

and not a word from the "top"

a vision of future labour ?  disagree and we will brick your windows???

I mean we se it here ...disagree with the left and out come the personal insults ...so....

AND...

I dont see much ..indeed ANY inclination to promulgate and implement the things I see as socially needed

a citizens allowance (and get rid of the rest except certain "top up" benefits)
legalise prostitution
legalise cannabis
and the rest of that looong list I posted way back


what I DO see is the continuation in decline of standards , both educational and personal
which were started by the leftist philosophy of the late 60's early 70's
and now manifest themselves in those feckless PJ wearing wasters that we have been talking about...

I DO see even more of the odd but quite evident "rule by the loudest" rather than majority rule

What I want isnt Corbyn, nor I doubt, has he the ability or guts to even try it...

what I want is a system where no one goes in need (hence a citizens allowance) BUT IF YOU ABUSE THE SYSTEM (by having 8 kids by 12 different fathers for instance) well on YOUR head be it.....

what I want is a system that makes sure those who have (and are breaking the tax system) pay their share

what I also want (but doubt if its govt business) is standards of behaviour improved (and those PJ wearing, cussing and slapper like parents being decried socially for their slobbery) UGHHHH

AND I want parents making as responsible for their childrens behaviour as a dog owner is for his dogs behaviour....with penaltys which reflect the severity of their kids misbehaviour.






See, taking the establishment word again and not actually looking.   It's now been established that nothing of the sort happened.   The brick through the window was in a building where Eagle had her office, was nowhere near her office and was by your common or garden lout.    The rest of it was shown to be lies as well.   The person supposedly intimidated at home wasn't at home and the people weren't outside the home but in a meeting.

As for the things you espoused, suggest you read, because you are not going to hear about it in the media, they don't want you to know, those are the things we are fighting for.   You obviously don't actually believe them, or you'd be fighting for them with us.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:13 am

sassy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Rubbish sassy...

corbyn suppoeters throwing bricks into opponents windows, harrasing and threatening...

and not a word from the "top"

a vision of future labour ?  disagree and we will brick your windows???

I mean we se it here ...disagree with the left and out come the personal insults ...so....

AND...

I dont see much ..indeed ANY inclination to promulgate and implement the things I see as socially needed

a citizens allowance (and get rid of the rest except certain "top up" benefits)
legalise prostitution
legalise cannabis
and the rest of that looong list I posted way back


what I DO see is the continuation in decline of standards , both educational and personal
which were started by the leftist philosophy of the late 60's early 70's
and now manifest themselves in those feckless PJ wearing wasters that we have been talking about...

I DO see even more of the odd but quite evident "rule by the loudest" rather than majority rule

What I want isnt Corbyn, nor I doubt, has he the ability or guts to even try it...

what I want is a system where no one goes in need (hence a citizens allowance) BUT IF YOU ABUSE THE SYSTEM (by having 8 kids by 12 different fathers for instance) well on YOUR head be it.....

what I want is a system that makes sure those who have (and are breaking the tax system) pay their share

what I also want (but doubt if its govt business) is standards of behaviour improved (and those PJ wearing, cussing and slapper like parents being decried socially for their slobbery) UGHHHH

AND I want parents making as responsible for their childrens behaviour as a dog owner is for his dogs behaviour....with penaltys which reflect the severity of their kids misbehaviour.






See, taking the establishment word again and not actually looking.   It's now been established that nothing of the sort happened.   The brick through the window was in a building where Eagle had her office, was nowhere near her office and was by your common or garden lout.    The rest of it was shown to be lies as well.   The person supposedly intimidated at home wasn't at home and the people weren't outside the home but in a meeting.

As for the things you espoused, suggest you read, because you are not going to hear about it in the media, they don't want you to know, those are the things we are fighting for.   You obviously don't actually believe them, or you'd be fighting for them with us.
I seem to remember you being an avid blairite during the blair years, then an avid brownite, then four square behind special Ed, now you are a died in the wool trot.
are all your deeply held principles so flexible

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:20 am

[quote="sassy"]Morning Scrat, not a well bunny at the mo so not hanging around, but this load of bunkem has to be shown up for the establishment hogwash it is.

Vic, you always told me you were a Nationalist Socialist.   Well Nationalist you certainlly are, Socialist you definitely aren't, because all those things you said you supported, well, that is what we are fighting for at the moment and instead of joining in, you spout the establishment line, it's pathetic.

Moley - give me a child and I'll give you the man - yep, exactly what is happening to children at the moment, don't think for yourselves, just become little establishment clones.




The sneering at 'Momentum Kids' shows why Jeremy Corbyn's opponents are losing

There are many reasons Jeremy Corbyn will win the Labour leadership contest later this week. The huge influx of new left-leaning members and the weakness of his rival candidate both mean that he should be comfortably re-elected as Labour leader on Saturday.
But the other major reason for Corbyn's continued supremacy is the cack-handed and self-defeating nature of the attacks his Labour opponents have made against him.
This can be seen most clearly in the controversy today over plans by Momentum to set up a network of children's groups for Labour activists and their children under the name "Momentum Kids".
In a statement sent out last night, the Corbyn-supporting group explained that: "Momentum is to launch a nationwide initiative to increase the involvement of children, parents and carers in Momentum and the Labour Party. Momentum Kids, originally set up by two mothers in Stroud, will expand across Momentum's network of 150 local groups, ensuring that single parents and sole carers have access to cooperatively run breakfast clubs, after school sessions and child care they need to facilitate their political engagement."

It is hard to think of a more benign initiative than this. In a country where the majority of senior national, and even local, politicians are middle-class, middle-aged men, any attempt to make it easier for women and single-parents to get involved in politics can only be a good thing.
Yet rather than welcome or even just tactfully ignore the announcement, Jeremy Corbyn's opponents have decided to spend their time mocking it as some sort of attempted mass-indoctrination programme. With hashtags including #tinytrots and #childlabour, they have attempted to link the programme to everything from Chairman Mao to North Korea. People who just days ago were calling for the expulsion of Ken Livingstone for invoking Hitler have become suddenly totally unconcerned about making Hitler Youth comparisons in relation to Momentum.

Leaving aside the absurd comparison between some of the most sinister regimes in history and a proposal to set up creches for the children of Labour activists, the attacks also reveal the systemic weakness of Corbyn's opponents. Over the past year the Labour party has turned into a mass movement, with hundreds of thousands of new members joining the party. Rightly or wrongly, these new members have been inspired both by Corbyn himself and by the community of Labour-supporting activists and groups around him.
It is understandable that many long-standing members must feel anxious or even resentful towards such a movement, especially when it has helped to elect a leader who most long-standing members do not want. When some of these newer Labour members are involved in the abuse and intimidation of MPs and councillors, it is also perfectly legitimate for Corbyn's opponents to criticise him for failing to get to grips with the problem.
But increasingly these legitimate criticisms and concerns have spilled over into an almost automatic sneering and mockery directed towards anything and anybody associated with Corbyn and his supporters.
Of course there's nothing wrong with mocking politicians themselves. When Corbyn put his name forward for Labour leader, he also put himself forward for years of derision, mockery and scorn. Laughing at our political leaders is an inevitable and even healthy part of British politics. The lack of deference towards our leaders is something that has long been inherent in our political culture and which I actually think is a good thing.
But if at some point you find yourself sneering at two mums who have set up a childcare project in Stroud simply because they happen to support a different Labour leadership candidate to you, then it really is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself whether this will really advance your cause.
Corbyn's biggest success in this election has been his ability to sell it as a contest between a sneering out-of-touch Labour establishment and a mass of ordinary political activists. Rather than attempt to counter this narrative, Corbyn's opponents have increasingly seemed to confirm it. Whether it's the derisive attitude towards Corbyn's supporters, the repeated attempts to exclude Labour members from voting, or Owen Smith's comments about the potential expulsion of Momentum from Labour, Corbyn's opponents have repeatedly given him exactly what he was looking for.
Of course there are legitimate criticisms to be made against the movement around Jeremy Corbyn. But attacking a small group of otherwise unknown activists for the crime of trying to help mothers and single parents get involved in politics clearly isn't one of them.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/09/19/sneering-momentum-kids-shows-jeremy-corbyn-opponents-losing

Sorry, Sassy, but I simply do not agree, and I regard any suggestion that the present generation of bright young people just starting out in life either in work or at university are some sort of drones as being unable to think for themselves or to extend their minds beyond the values of the establishment as being a disgraceful slur on both the kids themselves and the people who teach them.

Substitute the word "involved" with the word "indoctrinate" and you reveal the hard Left Momentum movement's true intentions, in my opinion.

And for what it's worth, I would adopt precisely the same attitude towards the setting up by a far Right organisation of a so-called youth group based on nurturing youth "involvement" in far Right politics.

As someone else here as mentioned, getting on for a century ago a barking mad political extremist set up similar youth groups for young German boys and girls...and look what that led to.
















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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:26 am

really???

oh ...and what about the "unspoken rest" of it

the fact that he will lead us straight back into an ever closer "soviet EU"?
an ever closer europe, where policies for suitable for eg albamia will be imposed on everyone?

the fact his policies will impoverish the working people but favour any tom dick or fred from any nation on earth regardless of status etc...

strikes me you are no socialist either...just a "corbyn clone"

socilists have a serious case of reality rather than the pie in the sky rubbish he spouts...

a few quetions

Is corbyn going to hammer the tax dodgers....and how
Is corbyn going to invite in unlimited "others" and how does he intend to pay for it (and dont say via the tax system, cos we ALL know what that means ...Mr "middle" will end up paying for it)
What does Corbyn intend to do about the "piss takers" (hint ...there is a reasonable and equitable solution BTW)

there is a problem with diesle pollution , particularly in towns...so whats corbyn going to do ....
a ban diesel period
b ban PRIVATE diesels
c get lorries (which are 90% of polluters) off the road and put goods back on a renationalised railway system?

I'd guess b) thus forcing many "mr Middles" to find 10's 1000,s of pounds to replace their vehicles...cos he dont give a toss about those people

the "unspoken" issues....the things that make you go shhhhhh dont let on

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:27 am

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sassy wrote:Morning Scrat, not a well bunny at the mo so not hanging around, but this load of bunkem has to be shown up for the establishment hogwash it is.

Vic, you always told me you were a Nationalist Socialist.   Well Nationalist you certainlly are, Socialist you definitely aren't, because all those things you said you supported, well, that is what we are fighting for at the moment and instead of joining in, you spout the establishment line, it's pathetic.

Moley - give me a child and I'll give you the man - yep, exactly what is happening to children at the moment, don't think for yourselves, just become little establishment clones.




The sneering at 'Momentum Kids' shows why Jeremy Corbyn's opponents are losing

There are many reasons Jeremy Corbyn will win the Labour leadership contest later this week. The huge influx of new left-leaning members and the weakness of his rival candidate both mean that he should be comfortably re-elected as Labour leader on Saturday.
But the other major reason for Corbyn's continued supremacy is the cack-handed and self-defeating nature of the attacks his Labour opponents have made against him.
This can be seen most clearly in the controversy today over plans by Momentum to set up a network of children's groups for Labour activists and their children under the name "Momentum Kids".
In a statement sent out last night, the Corbyn-supporting group explained that: "Momentum is to launch a nationwide initiative to increase the involvement of children, parents and carers in Momentum and the Labour Party. Momentum Kids, originally set up by two mothers in Stroud, will expand across Momentum's network of 150 local groups, ensuring that single parents and sole carers have access to cooperatively run breakfast clubs, after school sessions and child care they need to facilitate their political engagement."

It is hard to think of a more benign initiative than this. In a country where the majority of senior national, and even local, politicians are middle-class, middle-aged men, any attempt to make it easier for women and single-parents to get involved in politics can only be a good thing.
Yet rather than welcome or even just tactfully ignore the announcement, Jeremy Corbyn's opponents have decided to spend their time mocking it as some sort of attempted mass-indoctrination programme. With hashtags including #tinytrots and #childlabour, they have attempted to link the programme to everything from Chairman Mao to North Korea. People who just days ago were calling for the expulsion of Ken Livingstone for invoking Hitler have become suddenly totally unconcerned about making Hitler Youth comparisons in relation to Momentum.

Leaving aside the absurd comparison between some of the most sinister regimes in history and a proposal to set up creches for the children of Labour activists, the attacks also reveal the systemic weakness of Corbyn's opponents. Over the past year the Labour party has turned into a mass movement, with hundreds of thousands of new members joining the party. Rightly or wrongly, these new members have been inspired both by Corbyn himself and by the community of Labour-supporting activists and groups around him.
It is understandable that many long-standing members must feel anxious or even resentful towards such a movement, especially when it has helped to elect a leader who most long-standing members do not want. When some of these newer Labour members are involved in the abuse and intimidation of MPs and councillors, it is also perfectly legitimate for Corbyn's opponents to criticise him for failing to get to grips with the problem.
But increasingly these legitimate criticisms and concerns have spilled over into an almost automatic sneering and mockery directed towards anything and anybody associated with Corbyn and his supporters.
Of course there's nothing wrong with mocking politicians themselves. When Corbyn put his name forward for Labour leader, he also put himself forward for years of derision, mockery and scorn. Laughing at our political leaders is an inevitable and even healthy part of British politics. The lack of deference towards our leaders is something that has long been inherent in our political culture and which I actually think is a good thing.
But if at some point you find yourself sneering at two mums who have set up a childcare project in Stroud simply because they happen to support a different Labour leadership candidate to you, then it really is time to look in the mirror and ask yourself whether this will really advance your cause.
Corbyn's biggest success in this election has been his ability to sell it as a contest between a sneering out-of-touch Labour establishment and a mass of ordinary political activists. Rather than attempt to counter this narrative, Corbyn's opponents have increasingly seemed to confirm it. Whether it's the derisive attitude towards Corbyn's supporters, the repeated attempts to exclude Labour members from voting, or Owen Smith's comments about the potential expulsion of Momentum from Labour, Corbyn's opponents have repeatedly given him exactly what he was looking for.
Of course there are legitimate criticisms to be made against the movement around Jeremy Corbyn. But attacking a small group of otherwise unknown activists for the crime of trying to help mothers and single parents get involved in politics clearly isn't one of them.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/09/19/sneering-momentum-kids-shows-jeremy-corbyn-opponents-losing

Sorry, Sassy, but I simply do not agree, and I regard any suggestion that the present generation of bright young people just starting out in life either in work or at university are some sort of drones as being unable to think for themselves or to extend their minds beyond the values of the establishment as being a disgraceful slur on both the kids themselves and the people who teach them.

Substitute the word "involved" with the word "indoctrinate" and you reveal the hard Left Momentum movement's true intentions, in my opinion.

And for what it's worth, I would adopt precisely the same attitude towards the setting up by a far Right organisation of a so-called youth group based on nurturing youth "involvement" in far Right politics.

As someone else here as mentioned, getting on for a century ago a barking mad political extremist set up similar youth groups for young German boys and girls...and look what that led to.
















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can you imagine the howls of outrage if ukip suggested a similar approach from the usual suspects and fellow travellers.

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Why do labour want to renationalise railways and be in the eu...?

When it was the eu that forced the opening up of the railways to private companies and eu rules make renationalisation impossible...?

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:43 pm

Very excited to be working with Momentum Kids. Here's their new poster.


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can you imagine the howls of outrage if ukip suggested a similar approach from the usual suspects and fellow travellers.

Yes.
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