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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:04 pm

Are they?
Do you come from a large family of siblings and if so, do you consider it a positive thing?




Following on from the thread about this mother who was being criticised .... I thought, "there's another way of looking at this: -

surely these kids are the workers of tomorrow!"
( Provided of course their mum brings them up to be honest and hardworking, and allows them to get the full benefit of the universal free education avaiable to them, oh and not too many unhealthy eating habits.)


The birthrate in the indigenous population is dwindling here in Britain and indeed all over Europe. If there are gripes about importing the workforce from abroad to support an ageing population, surely the odd large UK family which bucks the trend is to be welcomed?


With those sturdy legs and childbearing hips, she has "earth mother" written all over her, so let her get on with it and have however many she wants. I mean, she cannot make a career in any glamour work, which is very lucrative for those with the right physical attributes, neither has she gone down the path of getting good post qualifications in order to secure a good career.



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Post by Jules on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:11 pm

Other assorted large families which have been discussed in the past.  Sorry for any duplications or errors!!



Noel and Sue Radford Radford18th baby on the way




Tania and Mike Sullivan




Single mum seeking baby nuber 16 ???? Joanne Watson,  




Tania & Mike Sullivan.



Maggie and Galvin Flisher's brood




Heather frost Mother of 11 aged 37 moves into a 5 bed eco home costing £400K http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/412088/EXCLUSIVE-Jobless-mother-of-eleven-Heather-Frost-to-get-500-000-luxury-home-we-pay-for



http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/415367/The-welfare-state-cannot-keep-funding-the-feckless


Baby number twelve on the way.Tania & Mike Sullivan
http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/baby-number-twelve-on-the-way-for-britain-s-busiest-mum.html


Baby No15 on the way. Noel and Sue Radford
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jan/17/15-kids-and-counting-review
 

Single mum seeking baby nuber 16 ????
http://www.madeformums.com/mums-and-dads/star-of-15-kids-and-counting-regrets-tv-fame/21307.html


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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by eddie on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:13 pm

No I don't think they're a good thing. Not for anyone involved. In fact it's ridiculous.

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by Jules on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:36 pm

People cannot have it both ways. If, in the face of a dwindling native population we still hate it when some families buck the trend and have lots of babies, where will our future workforce come from? Laughing


Incidentally let's remember that the male population can be just as feckless so I hope there won't be any sexist slurs on the single women showed. Arrow
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jobless-dad-fathers-15th-child-1088118

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:23 am

we don't need more 'workers'
it's not some 1800's steam factory.

the issue is the indigenous european doesn't want to work in the service jobs that are needed to support and aging population. and it just makes it worse for all future generations to support this one freckless and wasteful generation.



the current lot of 60 pluses just need to be cut lose. they have spent far more than the generated already. spending any more on them is just throwing good money after bad.

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:15 am

unlike your "we want it all pshoved up our arses and dont want to actually WORK for anything generation

I mean ...look at yourself....never done a days real work in your life...

your very occupation, by definition is relaxation and hobby...

8 hrs? spent poking a key board pffft.....

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:16 am

your generation...the one that couldnt be arsed to get out of its stoned/drunken stupor to vote in the most important vote for years .......and the cried because the result wasnt to their liking...


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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:16 am

veya_victaous wrote:we don't need more 'workers'
it's not some 1800's steam factory.

the issue is the indigenous european doesn't want to work in the service jobs that are needed to support and aging population. and it just makes it worse for all future generations to support this one freckless and wasteful generation.  



the current lot of 60 pluses just need to be cut lose. they have spent far more than the generated already.  spending any more on them is just throwing good money after bad.
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:16 am

Lord Foul wrote:your generation...the one that couldnt be arsed to get out of its stoned/drunken stupor to vote in the most important vote for years .......and the cried because the result wasnt to their liking...

have a metaphorical green old chap

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:19 am

please dont whine about 4x4's if you decide to have a large family. a child is far more carbon heavy than a gas guzzler.

if you can support a large family then that is your choice, it should not be the responsibility for the state to support them.
I would suggest instead of child benefits for each kid, taxes are raised for each one after the first 2.


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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:48 pm

Lord Foul wrote:unlike your "we want it all pshoved up our arses and dont want to actually WORK for anything generation

I mean ...look at yourself....never done a days real work in your life...

your very occupation, by definition is relaxation and hobby...

8 hrs? spent poking a key board  pffft.....

LOL
coming from lower class
i got my first job at 14
working in fastfood vans then restaurants while at school
worked in a pallet factory too while at uni
I know how shitty menial task jobs are...
I also know that I was often made supervisor or team lead even though i had no intention of making a career in either industry.


But Generationally Speaking
My generation PAID OUR WAY
Because yours got hands out and freebies all the way
THEN didn't pay enough tax to afford anyone else such an extravagant lifestyle
SO While you lived off the inheritance of the generation before (quite rightfully the ww2 generation should be respected)
you left nothing for the next and want the Future to fund your retirements too!!!

SO reality is my generation has always been told pensions will NOT EXIST when we reach that age because of the system YOUR generation has left the future after having benefited under the previous largess.

Biggest Generation of wasteful selfish bludgers is the baby boomers.





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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:57 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:we don't need more 'workers'
it's not some 1800's steam factory.

the issue is the indigenous european doesn't want to work in the service jobs that are needed to support and aging population. and it just makes it worse for all future generations to support this one freckless and wasteful generation.  



the current lot of 60 pluses just need to be cut lose. they have spent far more than the generated already.  spending any more on them is just throwing good money after bad.
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Suspect Suspect Suspect

UMM what do you think self-funded retirement is? The ONLY sort of retirement my generation is offered

NO my generation is not as selfish as the current retirement to expect BOTH past and future generations to fund our spoilt lives.

I mean fuck we couldn't rely on the past, and the current generation has not left much hope for the future...
even as you demand to more after not only spending everything but borrowing against every as well, You then Go a fuck the future economy because your geriatric minds can't handle change.



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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:02 pm

hmmm...I cant reacall anyone giving ME any "hand outs"

and I have always paid the going rate of tax(and then some considering VAT etc....)

oh and I do beleive that most of the tax fraudsters and avoiders are of the generation below me....

the 40-50 yo lot.....

oh and its folks like YOU that are facilitating the loss of jobs...ever thought of THAT..

YOU provide the "computerisation of industry" that destroys jobs.......(ok its inevitable) but you have no idea of how to handle the equally inevitable result....

dont blame ME for that....

(hint....there is ONLY one REAL answer)

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by feelthelove on Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:15 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Suspect Suspect Suspect

UMM what do you think self-funded retirement is? The ONLY sort of retirement my generation is offered

NO my generation is not as selfish as the current retirement to expect BOTH past and future generations to fund our spoilt lives.

I mean fuck we couldn't rely on the past, and the current generation has not left much hope for the future...
even as you demand to more after not only spending everything but borrowing against every as well, You then Go a fuck the future economy because your geriatric minds can't handle change.



Hi Veya, hope you're well Smile x

My experience of self funded retirement has been a constant change of goal posts.......


  • As a teenager I was told to opt out of SERPS and I arranged a private pension
    At 19 I started work for a global company and had a non-contributory final pension salary scheme.  My company opted out of SERPS
    After about 10 years I was asked to contribute to that scheme and starting at around 3% it gradually increased to 7%
    It then reduced to the amount of their monthly contributions and they opted back into SERPS
    Final Salary was then banked for the years served and average salary adopted
    Now they are removing our Defined Benefits Scheme and we are being asked to contribute to a defined contribution scheme with no guarantees


Over nearly 30 years the goal posts have been constantly changed.  I was due to have my old age pension at 60, it's now 67 and who knows what it will be when I eventually retire if ever????

It is impossible to plan when things change so regularly, the choices I made when I was 20 should have adequately kept me in retirement, decisions made at 30, at 35, at 40, at 45 should have made provision but at no fault of my own that those choices made in good faith have left me in a vulnerable position.

You can make all the provision and plans you like but there are so many factors you are unable to control

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by veya_victaous on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:31 am

blackie333 wrote:
blackie333 wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Suspect Suspect Suspect

UMM what do you think self-funded retirement is? The ONLY sort of retirement my generation is offered

NO my generation is not as selfish as the current retirement to expect BOTH past and future generations to fund our spoilt lives.

I mean fuck we couldn't rely on the past, and the current generation has not left much hope for the future...
even as you demand to more after not only spending everything but borrowing against every as well, You then Go a fuck the future economy because your geriatric minds can't handle change.



I'm 53 and started work three days after leaving school.
You kids dont have a clue nowadays, if we didn't work we'd have nowt.
The wages were crap but at at least you had a few bob in your pocket lol.

lazy prick
you DIDN'T work and go to school at the same time? tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I worked 20-30 hours a week while at school (the last 3 1/2 years of it anyway)
and worked all the way through uni too

You lazy old buggers
No idea
wait till ya finish school to get a job PFFTT

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Re: Are large families such a bad thing?

Post by veya_victaous on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:51 am

feelthelove wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Suspect Suspect Suspect

UMM what do you think self-funded retirement is? The ONLY sort of retirement my generation is offered

NO my generation is not as selfish as the current retirement to expect BOTH past and future generations to fund our spoilt lives.

I mean fuck we couldn't rely on the past, and the current generation has not left much hope for the future...
even as you demand to more after not only spending everything but borrowing against every as well, You then Go a fuck the future economy because your geriatric minds can't handle change.



Hi Veya, hope you're well Smile x

My experience of self funded retirement has been a constant change of goal posts.......


  • As a teenager I was told to opt out of SERPS and I arranged a private pension
    At 19 I started work for a global company and had a non-contributory final pension salary scheme.  My company opted out of SERPS
    After about 10 years I was asked to contribute to that scheme and starting at around 3% it gradually increased to 7%
    It then reduced to the amount of their monthly contributions and they opted back into SERPS
    Final Salary was then banked for the years served and average salary adopted
    Now they are removing our Defined Benefits Scheme and we are being asked to contribute to a defined contribution scheme with no guarantees


Over nearly 30 years the goal posts have been constantly changed.  I was due to have my old age pension at 60, it's now 67 and who knows what it will be when I eventually retire if ever????

It is impossible to plan when things change so regularly, the choices I made when I was 20 should have adequately kept me in retirement, decisions made at 30, at 35, at 40, at 45 should have made provision but at no fault of my own that those choices made in good faith have left me in a vulnerable position.

You can make all the provision and plans you like but there are so many factors you are unable to control

and what generation elected the gov't that changed the system. Wink


Lazy buggers like Lord Foul like to whinge about the bed THEY made, and to blame the younger generations for the failure of the current generation of retiree for the lack of funds.. when it is the current retiree that failed to pay taxes equal to services they demanded from the gov't that have left most western nation in huge deficiets. the cause of these deficiets is the baby boomer that spent more than they paid leaving the cupboards bare.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:27 am

blackie333 wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
blackie333 wrote:

I'm 53 and started work three days after leaving school.
You kids dont have a clue nowadays, if we didn't work we'd have nowt.
The wages were crap but at at least you had a few bob in your pocket lol.

lazy prick
you DIDN'T work and go to school at the same time?  tongue  tongue  tongue  tongue  tongue

I worked 20-30 hours a week while at school (the last 3 1/2 years of it anyway)
and worked all the way through uni too

You lazy old buggers
No idea
wait till ya finish school to get a job PFFTT

We could all sit at a school desk reading a few books and call it study but basically it's laziness.
Go out and get a real job you idle gits!

Umm it seem I had a real jobs while at school and getting a dual degree.
it was you, the lazy bugger, that did nothing then got a job (no uni so you never actually studied)
and still no evidence of real job in your life
maybe some manual labour we could just as easily train chimps to do.


And I have a excellent job now and better than anything you have ever had Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
what do you think STUDY, LUCK AND HARD WORK GETS YOU !!
my weekly tax bill is more than double the dole payment

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Post by Syl on Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:20 pm

I had a full time job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:43 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:please dont whine about 4x4's if you decide to have a large family. a child is far more carbon heavy than a gas guzzler.

if you can support a large family then that is your choice, it should not be the responsibility for the state to support them.
I would suggest instead of child benefits for each kid, taxes are raised for each one after the first 2.


Children are a life choice. Everyone has the right to choose to have them. But that doesn't mean they also have the right to expect others to fund them. Whilst we have many single mothers who are in that position through no fault of their own, there's the element who have child after child with no present father, or multiple fathers who simply think having kids enables the gravy train.

I remember overhearing a conversation with a woman years ago in the some queue at the post office with her pointing to her two older kids and the one in the pushchair whose dad was a 'one night stand'. The other two kids? She had no clue where the fathers were. She bemoaned her lot blah blah blah, the price of fags, blah blah blah, no holiday for years, blah blah blah, she couldn't even afford the Sky movies package, blah blah blah. On and on ad nauseum.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:47 pm

Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

Me too. I've worked all my life, and I'm still at it. I don't think I want to retire at the moment, as I feel work keeps you active and fit. I had a brief period of being on benefits way back in the 70's when my waste of space spouse decided being a father was just too much for him. Trust me, you got fuck all back then. I was lucky to have free child care so that I could go back to work. Sadly, they don't offer that anymore.
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Post by Syl on Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:59 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

Me too.  I've worked all my life, and I'm still at it.  I don't think I want to retire at the moment, as I feel work keeps you active and fit.    I had a brief period of being on benefits way back in the 70's when my waste of space spouse decided being a father was just too much for him.  Trust me, you got fuck all back then.   I was lucky to have free child care so that I could go back to work.   Sadly, they don't offer that anymore.  

It makes me laugh sometimes when people think the older generation had it all so easy. Laughing
We had it easy compared to our parents generation....but compared to todays lot who are still studying in their 20's.....they don't know what it's like to struggle, they just think they do. Rolling Eyes


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:11 am

Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

another lazy one Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
to spoilt to do both tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I mean the Older generation had it so easy
a home was only like 5 time the average yearly wage, not 12 times the average yearly wage
Plus they didn't have SO MANY pensioners draining the system.

really they had it all so cheap the fact that they could even afford to live on labourers wage, I mean how privledged a generation to think that with only 40 hours manual labour they could buy homes.

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Post by Syl on Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:24 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

another lazy one Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
to spoilt to do both tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I mean the Older generation had it so easy
a home was only like 5 time the average yearly wage, not 12 times the average yearly wage
Plus they didn't have SO MANY pensioners draining the system.

really they had it all so cheap the fact that they could even afford to live on labourers wage, I mean how privledged a generation to think that with only 40 hours manual labour they could buy homes.

True there were not so many pensioners, the two WW's saw to that....men gave their lives for their countries in those days, so spoilt brats of the future could live in comfort. rabbit
I worked a 40 plus hour week for £4 when I first started work.....no minimum wage back then.
Few people of the working classes had cars, probably why so few were fat.

Oddly people were happy, then as now we lived life to the full without complaint....even though many died prematurely through hard graft and poor working conditions.....and even if there had been benefits people had pride back then and preferred to work for their money rather than take handouts. tongue

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:59 am

Syl wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

another lazy one Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
to spoilt to do both tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I mean the Older generation had it so easy
a home was only like 5 time the average yearly wage, not 12 times the average yearly wage
Plus they didn't have SO MANY pensioners draining the system.

really they had it all so cheap the fact that they could even afford to live on labourers wage, I mean how privledged a generation to think that with only 40 hours manual labour they could buy homes.

True there were not so many pensioners, the two WW's saw to that....men gave their lives for their countries in those days, so spoilt brats of the future could live in comfort.  rabbit
I worked a 40 plus hour week for £4 when I first started work.....no minimum wage back then.
Few people of the working classes had cars, probably why so few were fat.

Oddly people were happy, then as now we lived life to the full without complaint....even though many died prematurely through hard graft and poor working conditions.....and even if there had been benefits people had pride back then and preferred to work for their money rather than take handouts. tongue

LOL they got heaps of handouts in the form of subsidies instead of direct payments and lack of fee/regulation

Victor, Who started this, even whinges that Now there is so much regulation it is immposible to earn an honest living.. well WHO made the world that way? the baby boomer once established sort to increase the 'requirement of entry' in the market to prevent young up and comers taking over their businesses.


Typical trying to classify the benefits your generation received as something other than a hand out.
and even with no minimum wage it was still higer in comparison to cost of living.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:46 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:we don't need more 'workers'
it's not some 1800's steam factory.

the issue is the indigenous european doesn't want to work in the service jobs that are needed to support and aging population. and it just makes it worse for all future generations to support this one freckless and wasteful generation.  



the current lot of 60 pluses just need to be cut lose. they have spent far more than the generated already.  spending any more on them is just throwing good money after bad.
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Cut the threats of violence.

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Ben Reilly wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Cut the threats of violence.

Where was the threat of violence?

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Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
I cant wait for you to be cut loose when you hit retirement age. assuming that someone doesn't flatten you with a hammer before that.

Cut the threats of violence.

Where was the threat of violence?

If you have to ask you'll never know.

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Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Where was the threat of violence?

If you have to ask you'll never know.

There wasn't a threat, except in your imagination ...

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Post by Syl on Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:05 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

True there were not so many pensioners, the two WW's saw to that....men gave their lives for their countries in those days, so spoilt brats of the future could live in comfort.  rabbit
I worked a 40 plus hour week for £4 when I first started work.....no minimum wage back then.
Few people of the working classes had cars, probably why so few were fat.

Oddly people were happy, then as now we lived life to the full without complaint....even though many died prematurely through hard graft and poor working conditions.....and even if there had been benefits people had pride back then and preferred to work for their money rather than take handouts. tongue

LOL they got heaps of handouts in the form of subsidies instead of direct payments and lack of fee/regulation

Victor, Who started this, even whinges that Now there is so much regulation it is immposible to earn an honest living.. well WHO made the world that way? the baby boomer once established sort to increase the 'requirement of entry' in the market to prevent young up and comers taking over their businesses.


Typical trying to classify the benefits your generation received as something other than a hand out.
and even with no minimum wage it was still higer in comparison to cost of living.

Depends which generation you are talking about...my generation, ( the after the war babies born in the late 40's to the late 50's) had some advantages it's true...there were plenty jobs because the population had been diminished thanks to the war. But rationing was still going on, and the poverty of those days could not be compared to the poverty of today.


Just to highlight the difference between past and present...my grandson is away from home at uni, he is slumming it in a shared house as most students do.
The houses they live in are palaces compared to where many hard working, working class people lived in in the 40's to the 70's. If students were offered houses with no electric, no hot water, outside loos, tin baths.....there would be uproar.

That however was the reality for many of my generation.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Where was the threat of violence?

If you have to ask you'll never know.

There wasn't a threat, except in your imagination ...

Devil's a grown man, he doesn't need you.

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Post by nicko on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:11 pm

Dean didn't threaten violence, he said someone else might.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:14 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

True there were not so many pensioners, the two WW's saw to that....men gave their lives for their countries in those days, so spoilt brats of the future could live in comfort.  rabbit
I worked a 40 plus hour week for £4 when I first started work.....no minimum wage back then.
Few people of the working classes had cars, probably why so few were fat.

Oddly people were happy, then as now we lived life to the full without complaint....even though many died prematurely through hard graft and poor working conditions.....and even if there had been benefits people had pride back then and preferred to work for their money rather than take handouts. tongue

LOL they got heaps of handouts in the form of subsidies instead of direct payments and lack of fee/regulation

Victor, Who started this, even whinges that Now there is so much regulation it is immposible to earn an honest living.. well WHO made the world that way? the baby boomer once established sort to increase the 'requirement of entry' in the market to prevent young up and comers taking over their businesses.


Typical trying to classify the benefits your generation received as something other than a hand out.
and even with no minimum wage it was still higer in comparison to cost of living.


What benefits? It's only relatively recently here in the UK that the benefits system is so easily acquired. Years ago you had to undergo the third degree to get it, and even then it was a pittance. I was a single mother in the 70s for a brief spell and what I received was the bare minimum to live off. All I could afford to live in was a flat with a bathroom I shared with four other families. No heating other than a single coal fire I couldn't afford the coal for, and certainly no TV. I remember chopping up some chairs to burn one winter, it got so bad. The bedroom was full of black mould. It was a very dark period in my life that makes me appreciate what I have now.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:18 pm

Syl wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

LOL they got heaps of handouts in the form of subsidies instead of direct payments and lack of fee/regulation

Victor, Who started this, even whinges that Now there is so much regulation it is immposible to earn an honest living.. well WHO made the world that way? the baby boomer once established sort to increase the 'requirement of entry' in the market to prevent young up and comers taking over their businesses.


Typical trying to classify the benefits your generation received as something other than a hand out.
and even with no minimum wage it was still higer in comparison to cost of living.

Depends which generation you are talking about...my generation, ( the after the war babies born in the late 40's to the late 50's) had some advantages it's true...there were plenty jobs because the population had been diminished thanks to the war. But rationing was still going on, and the poverty of those days could not be compared to the poverty of today.


Just to highlight the difference between past and present...my grandson is away from home at uni, he is slumming it in a shared house as most students do.
The houses they live in are palaces compared to where many hard working, working class people lived in in the 40's to the 70's. If students were offered houses with no electric, no hot water, outside loos, tin baths.....there would be uproar.

That however was the reality for many of my generation.

It certainly was. I remember being so poor at one stage I had feed my child on a 6p tin of Carnation milk. That was all I could afford until the next benefits cheque! I was so young and it was hard, and I look back and wonder at how on earth I managed. Sometimes, the cheques were late. There was none of this being paid into your bank account direct. What bank account? lol!
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Post by nicko on Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:18 pm

I think I was about 8 or 9 years old when I came in from play,my dad was sitting at the kitchen table crying, I had never thought my dad would every cry. It frightened me. I found out he had been laid off from work.
At that time we had some help that was called National Assistance.
A man came to our house and said before he could help had we anything mom could sell. He looked around to see what mom had that could be sold. My Mom and Dad started crying. We emigrated to Australia shortly afterwards.!
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:33 pm

veya_victaous wrote:


Arrow

Baby boomers, alone and as a group, didn't "ruin the market", a few greedy speculators and their supplicant politicians and financiers, right through the wartime, baby boomer and "Y Gen'" generations made it harder for everyone...  Including quite a few of us baby boomers ourselves..

That lazy spoilt brat urban princess blogger, "Talia Enright", should park her self-righteous and whining sense of self-entitlement up her lazy arse --  and get out and get a real job if she wants to live and party endlessly in some overpriced city, rather than out on the fringes, like nearly everyone else has to ..

Instead of simply sitting around, waiting for her overly-much-maligned parents to die.     Suspect

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:56 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

another lazy one Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
to spoilt to do both tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I mean the Older generation had it so easy
a home was only like 5 time the average yearly wage, not 12 times the average yearly wage
Plus they didn't have SO MANY pensioners draining the system.

really they had it all so cheap the fact that they could even afford to live on labourers wage, I mean how privledged a generation to think that with only 40 hours manual labour they could buy homes.

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Your figures are basically bullshit, veya...

"Median" prices for Houses in greater Sydney are 11->> 12 times the average national wage, (not the average Sydney wage -- which is about $20k higher..).

Melbourne median house prices about 10 times the median national wage..
Out in the regions, about 6->>7 times, get out in rural areas, it drops to 3-->>5 times.
Just a pity there aren't any real fulltime jobs out there any more..      

And there's simply no way that "40 hours" of labourer's wages would build a house !
That nonsense is pure dreaming..        What a Face


AS FOR Baby Boomer property investors and speculators -- less than 20% have investment properties..
And there's still a sizeable proportion don't own their own homes, for one reason or another...

The main greed-fuelled source of property investors driving up house prices around the Hunter Valley and Central Coast regions over the past couple of decades haven't been Baby Boomers, per se, but rather highly paid workers in the coal mining, building and technology sectors -- including many X and Y gen'..

Indeed, three of the house sales around here over the last couple of years have been to men aged in their 20s and early 30s.


study         As for "free" university education, Gough Whitlam introduced that in 1973 -- halfway through the Baby Boomer generation, and HECS fees were imposed in the late 80s...

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.................. and counting "
 

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He certainly puts his um ... 'lil swimmers' through their paces.
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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:48 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:I had a full time  job a few days after my 15th birthday.... no being pampered at college and uni for my working class generation, you had to bring in a wage.

another lazy one Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz
to spoilt to do both tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

I mean the Older generation had it so easy
a home was only like 5 time the average yearly wage, not 12 times the average yearly wage
Plus they didn't have SO MANY pensioners draining the system.

really they had it all so cheap the fact that they could even afford to live on labourers wage, I mean how privledged a generation to think that with only 40 hours manual labour they could buy homes.

pirat

Your figures are basically bullshit, veya...

"Median" prices for Houses in greater Sydney are 11->> 12 times the average national wage, (not the average Sydney wage -- which is about $20k higher..).

Melbourne median house prices about 10 times the median national wage..
Out in the regions, about 6->>7 times, get out in rural areas, it drops to 3-->>5 times.
Just a pity there aren't any real fulltime jobs out there any more..      

And there's simply no way that "40 hours" of labourer's wages would build a house !
That nonsense is pure dreaming..        What a Face


AS FOR Baby Boomer property investors and speculators -- less than 20% have investment properties..
And there's still a sizeable proportion don't own their own homes, for one reason or another...

The main greed-fuelled source of property investors driving up house prices around the Hunter Valley and Central Coast regions over the past couple of decades haven't been Baby Boomers, per se, but rather highly paid workers in the coal mining, building and technology sectors -- including many X and Y gen'..

Indeed, three of the house sales around here over the last couple of years have been to men aged in their 20s and early 30s.


study         As for "free" university education, Gough Whitlam introduced that in 1973 -- halfway through the Baby Boomer generation, and HECS fees were imposed in the late 80s...


so the baby boomer were about 1980 they were supposed to start paying But Instead





Seem my numbers are spot on Wink

You could buy a house an hour from sydney on a labourers wage
NOT with 40 hours of work alone but having a job that let you work 40 hours a week over years (and max 20 years back then now min is 25 and most loans are 30)
Now, no you cant, not even close 40 hours a week labourers wage hardly allows you to rent a place one hour from Sydney, no bank would consider you for a loan.

And as a recent first home buyer PLENTY of first hand experience seeing baby boomers come in and cut out all first home buyers, Literally half dozen times before giving up on EVER being able to afford a home in Sydeny even though I have an ABOVE average wage!!

and this doesn't take into account that Land size is almost half what it was in 1980's and there has been a Massive increase in apartments
So yeah you can Buy an 2 bedroom Apartment for about Twice the equivent comparison to income as a baby boomer bought a quater acre block with a 3 bedroom house.  Suspect Suspect Suspect

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