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Post by eddie on Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:32 am

Did this happen today? Is it news?
Where is the link ffs?

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Post by nicko on Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:47 am

It's on BBCTV.
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Post by eddie on Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:35 am

It's in the wron section and there's no link

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:14 pm



An explosion rocked the bustling Chelsea district of Manhattan on Saturday night, injuring at least 29 people in what authorities described as a deliberate, criminal act, while saying investigators had turned up no evidence of a "terror connection."

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and other city officials said investigators had ruled out a gas leak as the cause of the blast, but they stopped short of calling it a bombing and declined to specify precisely what they believed may have triggered the explosion.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-blast-idUSKCN11O012



But other articles are saying a second device was found and removed... a pressure cooker bomb like the ones used by the Muslim terrorists in the Boston bombing of the marathon run...



NEW YORK — Authorities here found and on early Sunday removed an explosive device — reportedly a pressure cooker — near the site of a Saturday night blast that injured more than two dozen people in the Chelsea neighborhood.

At a news conference before the discovery of a second device, Mayor Bill de Blasio said the explosion injured at least 29 people but that there was no specific terrorist threat.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/17/explosion-new-york-chelsea-neighborhood/90605526/

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:13 pm

I knew you couldn't post about a bombing without mentioning Muslims Smile

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People need to know the facts... I know you think facts are 'perverse'...

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:31 pm

Yeah, like the fact you're a bigot. Nobody yet knows who did this, could have just as easily been a violent, deranged right winger.

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Yeah... could have been an 85 year old black woman who just doesn't like dumpsters on the streets...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:37 pm

An explosion that rocked Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood and injured at least 29 people appears to have been "an intentional act" -- but not related to terrorism, according to New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

https://gma.yahoo.com/least-26-reported-injured-explosion-york-city-025721263--abc-news-topstories.html

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This article updated 10 mins ago...


"A bomb exploding in New York is obviously an act of terrorism," Gov. Andrew Cuomo told reporters on Sunday..."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/new-york-explosion/

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Post by magica on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:21 am

Bombs gone off in New Jersey aswell
http://news.sky.com/story/five-questioned-over-new-york-bomb-blast-that-injured-29-10584510
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Post by nicko on Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:42 am

Ben wont believe you!
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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Yeah, like the fact you're a bigot. Nobody yet knows who did this, could have just as easily been a violent, deranged right winger.


"...New York officials have identified a suspect wanted for questioning over Saturday's blast in the Chelsea area in which 29 people were injured.

The man has been identified as Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, a naturalised US citizen from Afghanistan.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37409441

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:31 pm

Eu free movement and 'human rights' rules let hundreds of thousands come and stay here every year... both eu and from outside the eu.



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"...It gives EEA citizens the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance.[1] This right also extends to close family members that are not EEA citizens.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:35 pm

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Ben Reilly wrote:Yeah, like the fact you're a bigot. Nobody yet knows who did this, could have just as easily been a violent, deranged right winger.


"...New York officials have identified a suspect wanted for questioning over Saturday's blast in the Chelsea area in which 29 people were injured.

The man has been identified as Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, a naturalised US citizen from Afghanistan.
.."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37409441

Not really fair to use that quote against me, as I wrote it when it was true that nobody knew who had done what.

If I had to guess now, with the benefit of all the reporting that you had access to when you posted this reply, I would conjecture that these were ISIS-inspired lone wolf attacks -- but I don't know that for sure.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:40 pm

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magica wrote:Bombs gone off in New Jersey aswell
http://news.sky.com/story/five-questioned-over-new-york-bomb-blast-that-injured-29-10584510

I wonder how many bombs have been planted?
It seems like a concerted effort to kill or injure as many as possible again. Sad

nicko wrote:Ben wont believe you!

What is wrong with you guys? Another example of mission creep. Just because you don't believe all Muslims are evil, is not to ignore there is a terrorist movement.

Another undetonated bomb was apparently found at the Rutgers University campus in New Brunswick (NJ), just outside of NYC, which is where I went to graduate school. That one caught my eye.

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Post by nicko on Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:42 pm

Catch more than your eye if you were close to it!
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nicko wrote:Catch more than your eye if you were close to it!

That's right. It becomes closer when you recognize some of the scenes where this took place.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:48 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
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"...New York officials have identified a suspect wanted for questioning over Saturday's blast in the Chelsea area in which 29 people were injured.

The man has been identified as Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, a naturalised US citizen from Afghanistan.
.."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37409441

Not really fair to use that quote against me, as I wrote it when it was true that nobody knew who had done what.

If I had to guess now, with the benefit of all the reporting that you had access to when you posted this reply, I would conjecture that these were ISIS-inspired lone wolf attacks -- but I don't know that for sure.


If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck!!!



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Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
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"...New York officials have identified a suspect wanted for questioning over Saturday's blast in the Chelsea area in which 29 people were injured.

The man has been identified as Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, a naturalised US citizen from Afghanistan.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37409441

Not really fair to use that quote against me, as I wrote it when it was true that nobody knew who had done what.

If I had to guess now, with the benefit of all the reporting that you had access to when you posted this reply, I would conjecture that these were ISIS-inspired lone wolf attacks -- but I don't know that for sure.


If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck!!!



Unfortunately, people are a bit more complicated than ducks! Smile And it's obviously unfair to blame an entire religious group for the actions of some of their members, or to assume that a particular group carried out an attack before knowing the facts.

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Not really fair to use that quote against me, as I wrote it when it was true that nobody knew who had done what.

If I had to guess now, with the benefit of all the reporting that you had access to when you posted this reply, I would conjecture that these were ISIS-inspired lone wolf attacks -- but I don't know that for sure.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck!!!

The same is said by 'flat-earthers' all the time. If the earth were round, why you'd fall off!

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Post by eddie on Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:38 pm

Quack.

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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck!!!



Unfortunately, people are a bit more complicated than ducks! Smile And it's obviously unfair to blame an entire religious group for the actions of some of their members, or to assume that a particular group carried out an attack before knowing the facts.


Well... all I had said before was that a pressure cooker device had been removed by police and that this type of bomb was the same as was used by the Muslim Boston bombers... which is completely true!


It was you who started speculating about some right winger being responsible for the op attacks...


So it was you who was casting aspertions against a whole group of people without any evidence whatsoever!!!


Maybe instead of talking about ducks... we should be talking about geese... and if it's good for the goose then it is good for the gander too...!



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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... chances are it's a duck!!!



Unfortunately, people are a bit more complicated than ducks! Smile And it's obviously unfair to blame an entire religious group for the actions of some of their members, or to assume that a particular group carried out an attack before knowing the facts.


Well... all I had said before was that a pressure cooker device had been removed by police and that this type of bomb was the same as was used by the Muslim Boston bombers... which is completely true!


It was you who started speculating about some right winger being responsible for the op attacks...


So it was you who was casting aspertions against a whole group of people without any evidence whatsoever!!!


Maybe instead of talking about ducks... we should be talking about geese... and if it's good for the goose then it is good for the gander too...!



You added the part about the Boston Marathon bombers being Muslims, and I just said it could just as easily be right-wing terrorists, which we have a lot more of in the U.S. than Islamists. Remember Pasty-Face McVeigh?

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The pressure cooker devices were the same... which was the point I made.


I didn't cast aspertions on any group being responsible for op attacks.


You did...

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Tommy Monk wrote:The pressure cooker devices were the same... which was the point I made.


I didn't cast aspertions on any group being responsible for op attacks.


You did...

No, you went out of your way to link it to Islam; I said it could have been a different variety of extremist, which we have far more of in the U.S. than Islamist terrorists. Or have you forgotten Pasty-Face Roeder?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:32 pm

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Well... all I had said before was that a pressure cooker device had been removed by police and that this type of bomb was the same as was used by the Muslim Boston bombers... which is completely true!


It was you who started speculating about some right winger being responsible for the op attacks...


So it was you who was casting aspertions against a whole group of people without any evidence whatsoever!!!


Maybe instead of talking about ducks... we should be talking about geese... and if it's good for the goose then it is good for the gander too...!



You added the part about the Boston Marathon bombers being Muslims, and I just said it could just as easily be right-wing terrorists, which we have a lot more of in the U.S. than Islamists. Remember Pasty-Face McVeigh?

Why are you using disparaging slurs against someone because they were white?

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Tommy Monk wrote:The pressure cooker devices were the same... which was the point I made.


I didn't cast aspertions on any group being responsible for op attacks.


You did...

No, you went out of your way to link it to Islam; I said it could have been a different variety of extremist, which we have far more of in the U.S. than Islamist terrorists. Or have you forgotten Pasty-Face Roeder?

Another racist remark based on the colour of someone's skin?

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Tommy Monk wrote:The pressure cooker devices were the same... which was the point I made.


I didn't cast aspertions on any group being responsible for op attacks.


You did...

No, you went out of your way to link it to Islam; I said it could have been a different variety of extremist, which we have far more of in the U.S. than Islamist terrorists. Or have you forgotten Pasty-Face Roeder?

Another racist remark based on the colour of someone's skin?

Just pointing out that it's mainly white people who carry out acts of domestic terrorism in the U.S. That makes it more likely that any incidence of terrorism was carried out by a white person.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:39 pm


The link was the type of device used...


Maybe you can tell us the other instances in America in recent years where pressure cooker devices have been used...!?


Also... wasn't a local running event targeted with bombs over the last few days too...!?


And isn't this another reason to draw comparisons to Boston attacks...?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:42 pm

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Another racist remark based on the colour of someone's skin?

Just pointing out that it's mainly white people who carry out acts of domestic terrorism in the U.S. That makes it more likely that any incidence of terrorism was carried out by a white person.

Then call them "white" people rather than use a childish and disparaging word.

In any case, it's not actually true - is it?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:59 pm

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Just pointing out that it's mainly white people who carry out acts of domestic terrorism in the U.S. That makes it more likely that any incidence of terrorism was carried out by a white person.

Then call them "white" people rather than use a childish and disparaging word.

In any case, it's not actually true - is it?

Yes, quite true.  And, in America the first real, live terrorists were the KKK, founded in 1865.  Over the centuries the white faces that are caught in this form of terrorism number in the millions.

You think you are pissed about ISIS?  That's chump change.  Ask the African Americans over here what they think of terrorism.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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Then call them "white" people rather than use a childish and disparaging word.

In any case, it's not actually true - is it?

Yes, quite true.  And, in America the first real, live terrorists were the KKK, founded in 1865.  Over the centuries the white faces that are caught in this form of terrorism number in the millions.

You think you are pissed about ISIS?  That's chump change.  Ask the African Americans over here what they think of terrorism.

It depends on what you class as terrorism. For example, I see that Ben included a photo of Dylann Roof, but is he allegedly a terrorist or a mass murderer?

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:35 pm

Personally I reckon these isis types have just succeded in making the "left" (such as it is over there in the states) look real silly and given trump just what he needs....

a few more of these attacks...especially a real bad one that DOES cause mass casualties and the voters in america may well be reconsidering their options......

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:40 pm

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Another racist remark based on the colour of someone's skin?

Just pointing out that it's mainly white people who carry out acts of domestic terrorism in the U.S. That makes it more likely that any incidence of terrorism was carried out by a white person.

Then call them "white" people rather than use a childish and disparaging word.

In any case, it's not actually true - is it?

I don't knowingly post false information:

Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, including the recent mass killing in Charleston, S.C., compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

As for my choice of words, it was deliberate, to provoke someone who thinks whites are superior.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:43 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Personally I reckon these isis types have just succeded in making the "left" (such as it is over there in the states) look real silly and given trump just what he needs....

a few more of these attacks...especially a real bad one that DOES cause mass casualties and the voters in america may well be reconsidering their options......

You mean terrorism is going to make Americans choose this:

Two bombs exploded in New York... Donald-trump

Over this?

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scratch scratch scratch

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Then call them "white" people rather than use a childish and disparaging word.

In any case, it's not actually true - is it?

Yes, quite true.  And, in America the first real, live terrorists were the KKK, founded in 1865.  Over the centuries the white faces that are caught in this form of terrorism number in the millions.

You think you are pissed about ISIS?  That's chump change.  Ask the African Americans over here what they think of terrorism.

It depends on what you class as terrorism. For example, I see that Ben included a photo of Dylann Roof, but is he allegedly a terrorist or a mass murderer?

Would you call the PULSE shooter a terrorist or a mass murderer?

Both shooters were both -- they used mass murder as terrorism.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:55 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:Personally I reckon these isis types have just succeded in making the "left" (such as it is over there in the states) look real silly and given trump just what he needs....

a few more of these attacks...especially a real bad one that DOES cause mass casualties and the voters in america may well be reconsidering their options......

You mean terrorism is going to make Americans choose this:

Two bombs exploded in New York... Donald-trump

Over this?

Two bombs exploded in New York... 2000px-Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden_annotated.svg

scratch scratch scratch

I think there is a danger of that happening yes.....

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Post by eddie on Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:56 pm

Isn't he both?

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