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Post by sassy on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:02 pm

Singer performing at beach concert was told to ‘get dressed’


Israeli singer Hanna Goor claims her performance was cut short because she wore shorts and a bikini top Instagram/Hanna Goor
Israel's Culture Ministry is to introduce new rules about how modestly performers should dress at government-sponsored events.
“Festivals and events funded by public money will respect the general public, which includes different communities,” a Culture Ministry spokesperson said.
The announcement comes after a singer at a government-backed beach concert near [url=http://at a government-sponsored beach concert near Tel Aviv]Tel Aviv[/url] said she was ordered off stage for wearing a bikini top.



Hanna Goor, who came to public attention in Israel after appearing on a TV talent show, said a production representative told her to “get dressed” during her performance.
When she refused, he kicked her off stage before her set had finished, she claimed.
“Immediately after they took me down, I asked for an explanation. The bottom line, he explained to me, is that the request was imposed on him,” Ms Goor told the Haaretz newspaper.
The singer said she could not “accept the double standard” of being invited to perform at a beach festival, while not being allowed to dress in beachwear.
“It wasn’t a provocation but simply a matter of comfort. It’s summer, it’s hot, and we were at the beach,” she told the Israeli local news site Ashdodnet.
Ms Goor said her contract stipulated her performance would last an hour and a half, but she had been told to stop after just three songs.



Israel's Culture Ministry disputed Ms Goor’s claim that her set was cut short, but said removing her from the stage was “necessary” because her performance did not “respect the general public who attended the show”.
“This is exactly the difference between freedom of expression and freedom of funding," the spokesperson said, according to Jewish daily Forward.
"Therefore, orderly instructions will be issued to all the production companies working with the Culture Ministry to ensure that this policy is carried out at all events."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-modesty-guidelines-burkini-ban-womens-clothing-government-events-hanna-goor-a7214866.html


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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:29 pm



"...Israel's Culture Ministry is to introduce new rules about how modestly performers should dress at government-sponsored events.
“Festivals and events funded by public money will respect the general public, which includes different communities,” a Culture Ministry spokesperson said..."



'Different communities' is normally code for 'Muslims'...


Maybe she should have worn a full on burkha... and then been stoned to death for 'honour' reasons...



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Post by sassy on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:31 pm

Except they don't allow Muslims to attend.

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Can you prove that...?

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Post by sassy on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:47 pm

Oh dear, you don't know a lot about Israel do you?

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Proof...?

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Post by sassy on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:51 pm

Go and educate yourself Tommy, I'm not writing the pages and pages it would take for you to understand the situation there.

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Post by sassy on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:55 pm

TEL AVIV, Israel (RNS) It was Sunday — women’s-only day — at the so-called religious beach in this Israeli city on the Mediterranean, and several hundred women and girls sat on the sand or frolicked in the gentle waves with an abandon they rarely exhibit elsewhere.

While some European beaches are banning women dressed in “burkinis” and other modest swimwear, and Americans are challenging women’s-only swimming hours at public pools, this Israeli beach has long been a haven for women whose strict religious beliefs, community norms or fears of sexual harassment, among other reasons, make swimming or sunbathing alongside men undesirable, even impossible.

“Were it not for the religious beach I couldn’t go to the beach,” said Molly, a young Orthodox woman who asked that her last name and photograph not be published because her religious beliefs require modesty.

“I can be myself here,” Molly said solemnly, perched on a piece of municipal exercise equipment as she looked out at the sea.

Established decades ago, Tel Aviv’s religious beach is one of about a dozen gender-segregated beaches sprinkled around Israel. Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are designated for women only, with alternate days for men.

And many Israeli pools offer a few hours of separate male and female swimming.

Enshrined into law decades ago by ultra-Orthodox Jewish lawmakers, the segregated beaches attract mostly religious Jewish women, judging from their street clothes, “but also some secular women,” according to Yossi Cohen, the beach’s male supervisor.



Cohen said a burkini, as well as other popular modest swimwear brands favored by many Orthodox Jewish women, “are safer than their robes and street clothes” because they are made of swimwear materials. “Everything else weighs you down and isn’t safe for swimming,” he said.

Uri Regev, president of Hiddush, a nongovernmental organization that promotes freedom of religion in Israel, said Israelis tend to be much more tolerant of religious practices and expressions of physical modesty than their European counterparts.
“European society views secularism as the norm and religious piety as threatening,” he said.

Israel, in contrast, sometimes goes to the other extreme, Regev said.

“There are examples of religious coercion, such as when gender-segregated ultra-Orthodox programs insist women can’t teach males, therefore limiting women’s job options. That’s discrimination.”

To Israel’s credit, Regev said, gender-segregated beaches and tolerance for all types of religious garb “demonstrate an acceptance for varied religious beliefs” not found in most countries. While Israeli rights advocates have successfully fought against gender segregation on public buses, Regev said, no one objects to gender-segregated beaches.

“As long as municipalities offer segregated beaches without detracting from the ability of others to swim at other beaches, this is a virtue, not coercion. Ultimately, it’s all about balance,” Regev said.

Shayna Weiss, who has researched Israel’s gender-segregated beaches, agrees.

“When it is balanced with concerns of equal access I think there’s a strong argument to be made for special beaches. That being said, these beaches set a precedent of gender segregation in the public sphere” that could potentially be applied elsewhere, said Weiss, the Distinguished Visiting Scholar of Israeli Studies at the United States Naval Academy.

Such concerns seemed far away at the religious beach in Tel Aviv, which is sandwiched between the Port, a popular and very secular tourist attraction, and the city’s dog beach.

Groups of women and girls, many pushing strollers and dressed in long skirts, long sleeves and tights, arrived at the beach, which is walled in on three sides. Once inside, some changed into modest bathing suits while others entered the water in their street clothes. A few wore traditional bathing suits, including bikinis.

Aside from Cohen’s small team and the lifeguards, no men were allowed onto the beach. A woman sold ice cream from a kiosk.

Varda Zagron, a retired schoolteacher, and her friend Simi Idan, a secretary, wore modest swimsuits as they rested in chairs under a shady pergola.

“We make a great effort to dress modestly in accordance with Jewish law,” Zagron said, explaining why a religious beach is her only option. “Here, we can walk around without our heads being covered. It’s a comfortable feeling.”

The segregated beach could be improved, Idan said, if it was open only to women six days a week, with a men’s-only beach next door.

“That way we could come to the beach as a family and meet up afterward.” That, she said, “would be wonderful.”



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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:00 am


If there was a ban on Israeli Muslims attending public events in Israel... you would already be shouting about it!!!



What this op looks like is that the woman singer was stopped performing because of consideration for Muslim sensitivities...


You claimed Israel was being 'far right' in this action of preventing the woman performing while not being covered up enough...


So how 'far right' would you say islam is...!?



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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:06 am

I have been to Israel twice on holiday, tbh I found it as liberated for women as anywhere else....granted we went to a holiday area Eilat, but I loved it and I loved the people we met there.

It's just a thought, but could this singer not have fastened her blouse up a bit? Mind you, she has probably gained more publicity for this than she has for her singing so far. Laughing

I think anywhere people are performing there are rules re dress....be it on an Israelie beach or in a Manchester night club.

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:11 am

I'm interest Syl, how long ago?  The Goverment that is in now has been changing things rapidly in the last year and the  party made up mostly of extreme RW Settlers are now virtually running the show.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:16 am

sassy wrote:Except they don't allow Muslims to attend.



I asked you to provide proof of public events where Muslims are banned... and you posted up an article about women only beaches...!?



Proof of your claim that Muslims were banned from this op beach event please sassy...?

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sassy wrote:I'm interest Syl, how long ago?  The Goverment that is in now has been changing things rapidly in the last year and the ultra-orthodox from the party made up mostly of Settlers and now virtually running the show.

The last time was about 10 years ago Sassy....things could have changed. The only time I felt a bit oppressed was when we were rudely told to cover up (by an official) when visiting the wailing wall.

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:17 am

I have friends out there who are LW and secular and are finding things quite difficult at the moment.

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sassy wrote:Except they don't allow Muslims to attend.



I asked you to provide proof of public events where Muslims are banned... and you posted up an article about women only beaches...!?



Proof of your claim that Muslims were banned from this op beach event please sassy...?



Are you going to back up your claim with proof...!?


Or admit you were lying...?


And then apologise!!!



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:48 am

I suggest a burka bikini for the singer. It all evens out.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:41 am

Yet another example of "my sky daddy told me to tell you how to live your life" ... Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:39 am

Did we find out whether Muslim's could attend or not? That's the part that interested me most.

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HAVING the current Israeli government setting "modesty guidelines" sounds a lot like putting a Fox in charge of a chook yard...             pirat

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:38 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Can you prove that...?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:31 pm

So no proof that Muslims were banned from this op event...


Sassy caught lying AGAIN!!!



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Sassy...?



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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:17 pm

What?   They dont put notices out, it's accepted practice.   You can believe it or not, I don't give a toss, I know it's true and so do the Muslims and SM.   Because we know a lot about it and know people there.   You don't.   And the dress code they were inforcing was for Jews, a code made by the Israeli Government, enforced by Israels Culture Ministry.

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:23 pm

Israeli Culture Ministry to Issue 'Modesty' Guidelines for Government-funded Events
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.739000

Israeli Teens Told to Cover Up for High School Yearbook
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.688893

Modesty Squad Dressing Down Secular Israelis

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/09/news/mn-64018



(That was when it started, back in 1999)

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So widespread and so well known about... you say...


But you can't provide a shred of evidence to back up your claim...!!!


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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:26 pm

Israeli police violently prevent cultural festival in occupied East Jerusalem, several arrested

https://palsolidarity.org/2009/03/israeli-police-violently-prevent-cultural-festival-in-occupied-east-jerusalem-several-arested/


Been going on for years

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:36 pm

He added, “The Israeli authorities prevent issuing permits for players and sports people to participate in international sports events, including sports events which take place in the West Bank.”

From here...

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israels-siege-gaza-red-card-palestinian-sports-people/

A public event isn't it?



Israel stop Muslims doing all kinds of things every single day.

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Oh, and just 10 days ago:


Israeli Council Leader Sued Over Jewish Only ‘Public’ Swimming Pools

http://www.mintpressnews.com/israeli-council-leader-sued-jewish-public-swimming-pools/219488/

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:42 pm



You said Muslims were banned from the op event...!!!


I asked you to prove it...?


Still waiting...

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:49 pm

Wait away, as I said, they don't need to put up notices, it's ingrained.

You made out the modesty code was to do with Muslims, I showed you it had fuck all to do with them and is an Israeli Government rule.   So how about you retract on that.

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sassy wrote:Oh, and just 10 days ago:


Israeli Council Leader Sued Over Jewish Only ‘Public’ Swimming Pools

http://www.mintpressnews.com/israeli-council-leader-sued-jewish-public-swimming-pools/219488/



Oh... and that was a story about one person saying something stupid and he's getting lambasted for it and he's getting sued!!!



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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:58 pm

You claimed Muslims were banned from the op event...


I asked you to prove it...!?


You claimed the banning of Muslims from public events is widespread and well known about...


But you can't provide a shred of evidence to back up any of your claims...!!!


Why is that...!?


Either you are wrong in your beliefs and need to rethink your understanding of reality...


Or... you are lying...!!!???



Which is it...!?



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Neither, I'm right.

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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:05 pm

They won't be invited to this one either:

Israeli beer festival at Muslim cemetery decried
Palestinians say move is clear provocation aimed at humiliating Muslims and insulting their culture


Israeli alcohol festival to be held on a Muslim historic cemetery

Ramallah: Israel has approved plans to hold a beer festival on the grounds of a Muslim cemetery in occupied Jerusalem on Wednesday and Thursday.
The Maamanallah cemetery is the most prominent historic Muslim cemetery in occpied Jerusalem, but has been turned into a park by Israeli authorities.
“The festival aims to humiliate Muslims and insult their culture,” said Palestinian activist Mazen Abu Qalbain.
“The festival has truly become a tradition ripe with vicious provocation.”
“How can Muslim accept Jews drinking alcohol and dancing at the gravesite that contains the remains of known figures of the early Islam,” he told Gulf News.
“Jerusalem is spacious and the festival can be held anywhere over the city, but the Israeli choice of this particular historic Muslim gravesite aims to send a clear message to the Muslims around the world,” he said.

http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/palestine/israeli-beer-festival-at-Muslim-cemetery-decried-1.1887995

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:13 pm

So still no proof of Muslims being banned from op event...!?



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Post by sassy on Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:17 pm

Still no acknowledgement that the modesty ban is done by the Israeli Gov for  Jews and has nothing to do with Muslims WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED.

Nah, thought not.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You claimed Muslims were banned from the op event...


I asked you to prove it...!?


You claimed the banning of Muslims from public events is widespread and well known about...


But you can't provide a shred of evidence to back up any of your claims...!!!


Why is that...!?


Either you are wrong in your beliefs and need to rethink your understanding of reality...


Or... you are lying...!!!???



Which is it...!?



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:04 am

cheers

GOOD OL' fascist pig Tommy...

Doing his best,  yet again,  to derail yet another thread that he doesn't agree with..

True to form.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:52 am

And the basement dodger pops up with more of the same usual abuse and adds nothing to the topic of the thread...



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Post by eddie on Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:44 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So no proof that Muslims were banned from this op event...


Sassy caught lying AGAIN!!!



Tbf Tommy they're hardly going to put up a sign saying "no Muslims" are they?
I don't supposed many Muslims want to go anyway!

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:39 pm

Muslims aren't banned... sassy is lying.


Nearly 20% of the population of Israel are Muslims...

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:33 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:cheers

GOOD OL' fascist pig Tommy...

Doing his best,  yet again,  to derail yet another thread that he doesn't agree with..

True to form.

and once again the left PROVE my point....



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