6 Month Old Baby Boy - Dead, after being left in HOT SUV for nearly 9 hours!

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6 Month Old Baby Boy - Dead, after being left in HOT SUV for nearly 9 hours!

Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:08 am

Updated: 1:29 a.m. Sunday, Aug. 14, 2016 |
Baby dies after being left in hot SUV outside Texas Walmart
HELOTES, Texas —
A 6-month-old baby is dead after his father left him in a hot SUV outside a Texas Walmart, police said.
According to The Associated Press, the boy, identified as Dillon Martinez of San Antonio, was found dead Friday afternoon outside the Walmart in Helotes. His father, who works at the store, had forgotten to take the baby to day care that morning before work, police said. He reportedly found the baby after his shift ended nearly nine hours later.

Police said the father, who was taken to a nearby hospital after having chest pains, has not been charged. His name was not released.

The baby's father, who works at the store in the suburb of Helotes, told officers that he forgot to drop his son off at day care before going to work about 6:15 a.m. Friday, said Helotes police Capt. Anthony Burges. The father found his child dead after finishing work and returning to the SUV about 3 p.m.
Temperatures in the area hovered around 100 degrees much of the afternoon.
http://www.news965.com/news/news/national/baby-dies-after-being-left-hot-suv-outside-texas-w/nsFpt/
It appears that the 'NEED' to protect the BABIES from thoughtless/careless/brain dead parents - those baby car seats/booster seats need to come equipped with a shock collar wired into the started system:  Evil or Very Mad
where the car won't be able to start until the shock collar is wrapped around the drivers neck and plugged in, because the sensor is telling you that there's a 'Baby-On-Board' and it's in the car seat/booster seat!
The ignition switch won't turn off until the baby is removed out of the car seat - DRIVER IS HOOKED UP TO AN ELECTRICAL SURGE THAT WILL JOLT YOUR ASS INTO REALITY WHEN YOU HAVE A 'BABY-ON-BOARD'! Twisted Evil

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Post by eddie on Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:42 pm

This is just awful. When are people going to learn not to leave babies in cars and when will,they learn to REMEMBER they have a bloody child in the car!!!!???

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:55 pm

eddie wrote:This is just awful. When are people going to learn not to leave babies in cars and when will,they learn to REMEMBER they have a bloody child in the car!!!!???

GOB SMACKED - FLUMMOXED and now some states are actually charging the thoughtless parents and other states are not Evil or Very Mad  IMO, either we get serious about this utter NEGLECT or we don't! 
Parent's leaving their parenting responsibility at the door of their house instead of on the PRIORITY OF THAT CHILD is inexcusable! soapbox

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Post by eddie on Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:01 pm

In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:13 pm

eddie wrote:In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?

Well, we have a couple of court cases going on now and there have been 'Child Neglect/Abuse' charges filed and the parent went to jail to serve time for previous such cases! 
But these cases just vary from State to State.
But we have to dictate to the parents about: placing the children in a Safety Approved Car Seat - they have to be in belted in - they have to be in the back seat - they have to be in a booster seat according to height and weight - and if they are caught driving without these safety issues then they are given traffic citations.

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Post by eddie on Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:22 pm

You're night what you said above though albeit tongue in cheek, there needs to be an alarm system in place so that children simply don't get forgotten.


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:17 pm

eddie wrote:
In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?

Idea

THERE are NO genuine "accidents" in these situations...

People need to learn the difference between accidents and 'incidents'..

They don't mean the same thing;  not in the least.         Arrow

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:22 pm

This is the most recent case that I've been watching and waiting for the trail to begin >

(AP Photo/Marietta Daily Journal, Kelly J. Huff, Pool)
Texas ranked 11th in hyperthermia deaths of children in vehicles from 1998 to 2012, the study showed, with 86 deaths per 1 milllion people 14 years old or younger.
Pictured, Justin Ross Harris, the father of a toddler who died after police say he was left in a hot car for about seven hours, wipes his eye as he sits during his bond hearing in Cobb County Magistrate Court, Thursday, July 3, 2014, in Marietta, Ga. Harris who police say intentionally killed his toddler son by leaving the boy inside a hot SUV was exchanging nude photos with women the day his son died and had looked at websites that advocated against having children, a detective testified Thursday. At that same hearing, a judge refused to grant bond for Harris, meaning he will remain in jail.
 http://atlantadailyworld.com/2014/07/03/judge-rules-hot-car-death-case-will-go-to-trial/
I've started a topic down in our 'Criminal Genre' ...just for this unique case!

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:46 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:
In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?

Idea

THERE are NO genuine "accidents" in these situations...

People need to learn the difference between accidents and 'incidents'..

They don't mean the same thing;  not in the least.         Arrow

Excellent point, WYwolfie ...we have become accustomed to using that word and it's WRONG and does not apply! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:03 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:
In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?

Idea

THERE are NO genuine "accidents" in these situations...

People need to learn the difference between accidents and 'incidents'..

They don't mean the same thing;  not in the least.         Arrow

What is the difference? I mean, I know that an accident involves the element of negligence. But what element is involved in an 'incident'?

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:22 pm

Original Quill wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Idea

THERE are NO genuine "accidents" in these situations...

People need to learn the difference between accidents and 'incidents'..

They don't mean the same thing;  not in the least.         Arrow

What is the difference?  I mean, I know that an accident involves the element of negligence.  But what element is involved in an 'incident'?
What I base my understanding on:
Risk Management from our Landscape Company and how we had to fill out a Workman Comp. Claim ...what terminology to use.
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Incident: An unplanned, undesired event that hinders completion of a task and may cause injury, illness, or property damage or some combination of all three in varying degrees from minor to catastrophic. Unplanned and undesired do not mean unable to prevent. Unplanned and undesired also do not mean unable to prepare for Crisis planning is how we prepare for serious incidents that occur that require response for mitigation.
Near Miss: A subset of incidents that could have resulted in injury, illness or property damage, if given a different set of circumstances, but didn't. Near misses are also known as 'close calls.' Perhaps the better term to consider is 'near hit.'
Accident: Definition is often similar to incident, but supports the mindset that it could not have been prevented. An accident is the opposite of the fundamental intentions of a safety program, which is to find hazards, fix hazard, and prevent incidents. When we accept that accidents have no cause, we assume that they will happen again.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:01 pm

An incident is an unplanned, undesigned event, while an accident "could not have been prevented?"

Neither of those concepts say much about causation or whether the event might have been altered.  I like the legal definition, which looks to the cause-in-fact, and whether negligence (failure to attend) was involved.

Even a risk management perspective could benefit from knowing how the event happened (causation)...so as to avoid it in the future.

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Original Quill wrote:An incident is an unplanned, undesigned event, while an accident "could not have been prevented?"

Neither of those concepts say much about causation or whether the event might have been altered.  I like the legal definition, which looks to the cause-in-fact, and whether negligence (failure to attend) was involved.

Even a risk management perspective could benefit from knowing how the event happened (causation)...so as to avoid it in the future.
Well that comes with specificity: 
Each workman's Comp. claim would have a story - fill in for those guestion's of who/what/when and the why

This dude didn't cause an 'accident' ...everything he did once he placed his son into his vehicle was a scheduled EVENT to follow - a plan of action ...the dumb-ass didn't stick to the PLAN!  No Had he stuck TO THE PLAN there'd been zero death!

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:28 pm

Suspect

I ALSO have to wonder about that father's fitness to be driving a motor vehicle, let alone looking after his child...

Apparently he didn't even look into the vehicle before shutting and locking the door ?     I wouldn't trust somebody like that to be driving --  not only the risk to children, but conceivably he could have animals in the car also, or maybe something of lesser value like a camera or computer sitting in the back.  And, how would he know if all doors and windows were closed properly..

There is that certain degree of incompetence and negligence involved in such events.

I wouldn't be surprised if the police do decide to still charge him, in another couple of days.. What a Face

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Post by Syl on Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:52 pm

Is this the third or fourth case that's been discussed over the last week?

I have no idea how a parent can forget a child is in the car....I cant understand how any sane parent can knowingly leave a child locked inside a car to shop, or do errands, or do anything else without unfastening that child and taking him or her with them.

What would be an appropriate punishment for such neglect?
I don't know.

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Post by Miffs2 on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:53 pm

eddie wrote:In all these kind of cases, when it genuinely was an accident, how do you charge or punish someone?
I would start with sterilising them.
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