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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:42 am



A tiny drawing of a kangaroo curled in the letters of a 16th-century Portuguese manuscript could rewrite Australian history.

The document, acquired by Les Enluminures Gallery in New York, shows a sketch of an apparent kangaroo (''canguru'' in Portuguese) nestled in its text and is dated between 1580 and 1620. It has led researchers to believe images of the marsupial were already being circulated by the time the Dutch ship Duyfken - long thought to have been the first European vessel to visit Australia - landed in 1606.

Portugal was extremely secretive about her trade routes during this period, explaining why their presence there wasn't widely known.

The pocket-sized manuscript, known as a processional, contains text and music for a liturgical procession and is inscribed with the name Caterina de Carvalho, believed to be a nun from Caldas da Rainha in western Portugal.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/16thcentury-manuscript-could-rewrite-australian-history-20140115-30vak.html#ixzz2qXbXW5mX

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Post by Beekeeper on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:32 am

pirat    WHILE it is well known that the Portuguese had already reached Indonesia, East Timor and the Northern parts of New Guinea by that time, there is STILL no actual proof that they ever reached the Australian mainland...  JUST looking at their inaccurate and wild guesses of a "great southern land mass" on their maps at that time, is yet another good indicator that the Portuguese never got this far south..

WITH the existence of kangaroo-like marsupials such as tree kangaroos, cuscus and quokkas in those regions at that time ~ all and any of which that drawing could just as equally been recording ~ that one lone drawing doesn't provide me with the necessary evidence to even consider "rewriting Australia's history..".  

I would need more artefacts than this one vague and rough single sketch to support their "proofs". UNTIL then, I will stick with Van Diemen and Dirk Hartog having been the first Europeans to reach these shores..   Basketball

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:01 pm

I think it could be equal evidence that the Portuguese discovered Texas -- it looks to me like a nine-banded armadillo squatting behind some bushes to take a dump ...


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:27 pm

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Is that an Armoured Quokka?

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:40 pm

They could use it, their primary defense is cuteness





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veya_victaous wrote: They could use it, their primary defense is cuteness





Oh they are gorgeous, I want one!

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:23 am



Watch Out QUOKKA ATTACK

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:31 am

Haha, looks like!

We have a lot of things with armor ... and spikes ...


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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:36 am

what lizard is that?

We of Course have 'Thorny Devils'




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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:08 am

Our version is the "horny toad," and yes, that's a horrible name for more reasons than one.

Also known as the "horned frog" or, more properly, "horned lizard."

But we don't get too caught up on technicalities:




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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:20 am

We weren't talking about Texas Christian University, Ben.  Honestly....

Are you a graduate of that xlnt university?

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:15 am

No, no, no, no. It's got a pretty campus. That's the only nice thing I'll say about it :D

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:17 am

Also:

Original Quill wrote:We weren't talking about Texas Christian University, Ben.

I think this was originally about who really discovered Australia ...

 :-:bravo:-: 

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:39 am

But I agree that TCU has a lovely campus. Lol

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:52 am

@ben
The ABORIGINALS  Smile  tongue 

And the Ming Dynasty had some of our kangaroos in their zoos according to tapestries from the time, And it is a better likeness than the OP drawing

There is evidence Fisherman from Indonesia also visited from time to time (they dropped Dingoes off about 5000 years ago)
Asian Wild dog

Dingo

I know it says Europeans But I am going to Suggest the first ones here were Pirates  pirat  pirat  pirat  and/or dead (much of the north coast is gonna be dead, some Japanese landed in world war 2 and we didn't know till the 1970's when we found their bones only a kilometre of the coast  :::grouch:: )

Dirk Harthog the official First European http://www.sharkbay.org/default.aspx?WebPageID=175 but that was a accident and much further south. Still the place isn't called 'SHARK bay' because it's a good place to go swimming.   affraid  affraid  affraid 

Capitan Cook had to go more than half way down the east coast before finding what he though could possibly be a colony site. (now Sydney) And the East Coast is more sheltered from the desert By the great dividing range (that's why most of us live here and the rest is almost empty). Some parts of the west coast the Desert almost meets the sea.

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Post by Beekeeper on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:44 pm

Cool 

AND THEN there's the Pademelon, [pr. Paddy Mellon]...

One of the smallest wallabies, a few that I've seen stand well under 12" in height..

Common out on the fringes from S.E. Queensland down to Tasmania as suburbs push out further into bushland areas, some people encourage these and other small wallabies into their yards and neighbourhoods.



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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:00 pm

veya_victaous wrote:@ben
The ABORIGINALS  Smile  tongue 

You know what I meant, I meant the important people, like in my Eurocentric education! < duck >

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