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Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:24 pm

Yesterday, a number of newspapers absurdly managed to turn a terrorist into a victim, and the Israeli forces who were trying to arrest him, into attackers. It was a true feat of verbal gymnastics.
And it’s just plain wrong.

What actually happened?

Israeli security forces tracked down Mohamed al Fakih, the terrorist who murdered Rabbi Miki Mark earlier this month. The arrest raid turned into a shootout when Fakih, along with an entire armed cell of terrorists, opened fire on the IDF. Fakih had turned his home into an armed base. The soldiers returned fire, and after a lengthy shootout, Fakih died in the very gun battle he started.

How did the BBC report this?
 

 
Buried at the end of the article, the BBC admitted that “Israeli media reports said” the IDF had fired only in response to Fakih and his armed terror cell. If the BBC knew all along that a Fakih was killed in a firefight that he started, why didn’t it say so in the headline, the sub-headline, or anywhere in the first five paragraphs of the article?
Why did the BBC report these facts as merely a claim by Israeli media? Why didn’t the BBC independently confirm the truth of these facts, and then report them, appropriately, as simply facts?



How did others report this?


The Daily Mail and International Business Times published almost identical stories with similarly misleading headlines.
While their headlines were slightly better than the BBC, they nonetheless cover up that 1. Fakih was a terrorist not merely a “gunman,” or a “militant,” and 2. he was shot only after opening fire at Israeli forces.


 


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The Daily Mail’s original headline went so far as to claim that Israeli forces had killed the terrorist in “revenge” even though they were attempting to make an arrest when the terror cell opened fire on them.



The Daily Mail did change their absurdly illogical headline, but not before the article was republished by papers like the Minnesota Daily News and the Wyoming Daily News, who added their own perverse butchery to the headline.
 




Calling a terror attack anything other than exactly what it is whitewashes its brutality.
But most of all, turning terrorists into victims, and victims into attackers, emboldens would-be terrorists everywhere.
We deserve better.


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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by eddie on Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:26 pm

Because the BBC is corrupt and run by the government and they tell us what they want us to know?

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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:27 pm

Nope

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:56 pm

Much ado about nothing; the account of the firefight occurs in paragraph six of a 13-paragraph report:

Israeli media reports said Fakih, 29, opened fire on troops as they approached the building where he was hiding. He was killed in an ensuing firefight.

Nothing deceptive about the headline or the account, and this is just the right wing once again desperately trying to find something to be offended by.

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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:03 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Much ado about nothing; the account of the firefight occurs in paragraph six of a 13-paragraph report:

Israeli media reports said Fakih, 29, opened fire on troops as they approached the building where he was hiding. He was killed in an ensuing firefight.

Nothing deceptive about the headline or the account, and this is just the right wing once again desperately trying to find something to be offended by.


This is a fine example of the left wing unable to actually read the actual account


He was a terrorist and open fire on soldiers coming to arrest him.

Now the Daily Mail claimed it was done in revenge, first lie, of which they later removed, but the damage had been done

BBC, misleading headline which is what counts


Well I guess i know never to bother reading your articles for partiality then
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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by sassy on Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:36 pm

Let's remember how the settlers who burnt alive a whole family were treated.





There was no 'cell of terrorists, there was one man.   He was accused, he had not been found guilty, unlike the settlers.



His name is Mohammad Elfaqih, 28 years old from Dura city, south Hebron, he was accused by the Zionist occupiers that he killed a Rabbi (extreme) from the illegal Zionist colony of Atna'il two weeks ago. Last night they spotted his place in Sourif town, brought hundreds of heavily armed soldiers, armed drones and Bulldozers, they surrounded the house where he is, they asked him to surrender but he refused, they opened fire at him, heavily, from the soldiers, the drones, the "battle" lasted for 7 hours, 7, until they killed him, 27 July 2016.










They don't bother to have a trial if you are Palestinian

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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:38 pm

So deflection

Everyone including many Israeli's marched in protest at that terrorist act

How many Palestinians marched in protest of the 13 year old Israel/American girl murdered as she slept?
How many Palestinians celebrated her murder?

In your own time
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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:40 pm

So no link to back up sassys claim

Facebook again lol?

He was a suspected terrorist which all the media reports admit he opened fire first

Prime example of sassy trying to make a victim out of a terrorist

Surprise surprise

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Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:46 pm

sassy wrote:Let's remember how the settlers who burnt alive a whole family were treated.





There was no 'cell of terrorists, there was one man.   He was accused, he had not been found guilty, unlike the settlers.



His name is Mohammad Elfaqih, 28 years old from Dura city, south Hebron, he was accused by the Zionist occupiers that he killed a Rabbi (extreme) from the illegal Zionist colony of Atna'il two weeks ago. Last night they spotted his place in Sourif town, brought hundreds of heavily armed soldiers, armed drones and Bulldozers, they surrounded the house where he is, they asked him to surrender but he refused, they opened fire at him, heavily, from the soldiers, the drones, the "battle" lasted for 7 hours, 7, until they killed him, 27 July 2016.


Intersting and another lie to paint the man as not a terrorist, change his name

When its there for all to see as

Israeli security forces tracked down Mohamed al Fakih, the terrorist who murdered Rabbi Miki Mark earlier this month. The arrest raid turned into a shootout when Fakih, along with an entire armed cell of terrorists, opened fire on the IDF. Fakih had turned his home into an armed base. The soldiers returned fire, and after a lengthy shootout, Fakih died in the very gun battle he started.


Unbelievable the lenghs the left will go to in lying in order to dehumanize Israeli Jews.

Yet more proof that sassy is an apologist of terrorism
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Re: Terrorists Are NOT Victims

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:05 pm

sassy wrote:Let's remember how the settlers who burnt alive a whole family were treated.





There was no 'cell of terrorists, there was one man.   He was accused, he had not been found guilty, unlike the settlers.



His name is Mohammad Elfaqih, 28 years old from Dura city, south Hebron, he was accused by the Zionist occupiers that he killed a Rabbi (extreme) from the illegal Zionist colony of Atna'il two weeks ago. Last night they spotted his place in Sourif town, brought hundreds of heavily armed soldiers, armed drones and Bulldozers, they surrounded the house where he is, they asked him to surrender but he refused, they opened fire at him, heavily, from the soldiers, the drones, the "battle" lasted for 7 hours, 7, until they killed him, 27 July 2016.










They don't bother to have a trial if you are Palestinian



You gullible fool...


Can you really not see the photoshop fakery going on...!?


Look at the detail woman!!!


lol!

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Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:07 pm

I thought sassy's unlinked article where it has a different name and picture of someone completely different from the actual terrorist was even worse Tommy lol and yet people buy into these lies.
A|nd where do these lies come from, mainly from Islamists and regressive lefty racists
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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:08 pm



Sassy is a brainwashed fool...


A 'useful idiot'...


Blindly repeating lies and propaganda, without question...


And no matter how many times you show her the truth... she will deny it and she will get annoyed WITH YOU for telling the truth instead of being angry at the liars who feed her the bullshit...



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Post by Didge on Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Sassy is a brainwashed fool...


A 'useful idiot'...


Blindly repeating lies and propaganda, without question...


And no matter how many times you show her the truth... she will deny it    and she will get annoyed WITH YOU for telling the truth instead of being angry at the liars who feed her the bullshit...




Well said and +1

She also gets away with racism, which i find appalling
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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:48 am

All the accounts cited gave the best information they had at hand (the best you can ask of any journalist, by the way) and weren't slanted -- in any shape, form or fashion.

The bias is with you, the right-wing reader, not with the news organizations. You complain that the fact that it was a firefight wasn't high enough in the story? Fuck you, you couldn't do their job.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:35 am

Ben Reilly wrote:All the accounts cited gave the best information they had at hand (the best you can ask of any journalist, by the way) and weren't slanted -- in any shape, form or fashion.

The bias is with you, the right-wing reader, not with the news organizations. You complain that the fact that it was a firefight wasn't high enough in the story? Fuck you, you couldn't do their job.


Keep your potty mouth in check and lead by example, nothing worse than a preacher who fails to preach

Second, the BBC is constantly biased against Israel where there is even a whole site which writes to them and gets them to amend many mistakes. The fact you are left, known to biased also against Israel countless times debating me, shows you have failed to look at this with balance.

Again one media article claimed this was done for revenge and later removed. That is an unfounded accusation, which they later withdrew and you clearly have no understanding of the ethic os telling the truth. Some media go out of their way to dehumnize Israel and do i need to educate on the history of when before people did and do dehumanize people?

The fact is the man had committed terrorism, murdered an innocent man, this is overlooked in most headlines and made out instead to look like the IDF has shot and killed an innocent Palestiniian which is backed by the very fact Sassy posted up lies backing such a stance. If you cannot see this, then it just confirms my belief how unbalanced you are at looking at anything with impartiality
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:37 am

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An article in the Independent by Rachel Revesz (New York governor Andrew Cuomo orders a boycott of anti-Israel movement, June 7th) included the following characterization of the BDS movement. The Boycott, Divestment […]

Daily Mail caption refers to Israel’s security barrier as an “apartheid wall” (UPDATE)


By Adam Levick on June 7, 2016 • ( 18 Comments )

A good illustration of how anti-Zionist agitprop seeps into mainstream news reports can be found in the following photo caption from a June 6th Daily Mail article about the ‘radical’ British graffiti artist […]

An attack on Holocaust memory at the Guardian and BBC


By Adam Levick on June 6, 2016 • ( 35 Comments )

As noted by Melanie Phillips, author David Rieff wrote the following in an op-ed for The Guardian, promoting his new book In Praise of Forgetting: “Israel offers a florid illustration of how disastrously collective […]

John Pilger in the Guardian: “Killing children seems like sport for the IDF”


By Adam Levick on June 5, 2016 • ( 38 Comments )

John Pilger is an Australian-based Guardian contributor who’s arguably one of the most vociferous demonizers of the Jewish state given a platform in the mainstream media.  He’s suggested that Hezbollah represented “humanity at its noblest”, approvingly cited […]

Should Jackie walk? What Labour can learn from football about tackling racism


By Guest/Cross Post on June 3, 2016 • ( 71 Comments )

The consequence of all this is that it is now OK for Labour members to say that Jews were behind the slave trade, and that their living descendants owe some kind of debt as a result. This antisemitic myth has become part of the Left’s conversation about Jews. This is how antisemitism becomes normalised, and how Jews get squeezed out of the Labour Party.

23 reasons why BDS is antisemitic


By Guest/Cross Post on June 2, 2016 • ( 32 Comments )

To teach people to relate to the overwhelming majority of Jews, that is Jews do not agree with BDS, as apologists for apartheid, Nazism or colonialism is to teach people to relate to those Jews in an antisemitic way. If BDS says that Israel is apartheid and that anybody who does not agree with boycotting Israel is a supporter of apartheid, then it is setting up a framework for Jew-baiting. If anti-Zionists say that Israel is genocidal, is like the Nazis, that Zionism is similar to Nazism, then they are inciting people to treat Jews as though they were Nazis.

Rachel Shabi gets it wrong on Lieberman and two states


By Adam Levick on May 31, 2016 • ( 8 Comments )

Whilst commentators are free to express skepticism over Lieberman’s sincerity in supporting two states (or the feasibility, legality or ethics of what’s known as ‘The Lieberman Plan’), Shabi’s claim that he “vowed there would never be a Palestinian state” is extremely misleading.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:12 am

Didge a couple of examples would've done. Please try to avoid long copy and pastes - they just waste time and if someone quotes that post.....I'll be here all day scrolling.


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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:36 am

eddie wrote:Didge a couple of examples would've done. Please try to avoid long copy and pastes - they just waste time and if someone quotes that post.....I'll be here all day scrolling.


I do hope Tommy looks intensely at your pictures to make sure they're not photoshopped.


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I just noticed something

Ben does need to update the rules by including Victor, AKA Lord Foul

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:32 am

Didge wrote:I thought sassy's unlinked article where it has a different name and picture of someone completely different from the actual terrorist was even worse Tommy lol and yet people buy into these lies.
A|nd where do these lies come from, mainly from Islamists and regressive lefty racists


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"Regressive lefty racists...",  you reckon, Didge  ???

What a load of silly right-wing regressive codswallop..

ALL or most of those examples you give in your original post have come from right wing journalists..

CLEARLY showing that the right-wing dominated media can be just as biased as those "lefty regressive" and centrist sources that you like to regularly slag off.
Anything for them to sell their rags, 'ay  Didgeri  ???       Razz

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Didge wrote:I thought sassy's unlinked article where it has a different name and picture of someone completely different from the actual terrorist was even worse Tommy lol and yet people buy into these lies.
A|nd where do these lies come from, mainly from Islamists and regressive lefty racists


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"Regressive lefty racists...",  you reckon, Didge  ???

What a load of silly right-wing regressive codswallop..

ALL or most of those examples you give in your original post have come from right wing journalists..

CLEARLY showing that the right-wing dominated media can be just as biased as those "lefty regressive" and centrist sources that you like to regularly slag off.
Anything for them to sell their rags, 'ay  Didgeri  ???       Razz

So just your usual immature reply then Wolf

Please go through each case and show why you think they are wrong.

I have reasoned easily why some of the left are regressive.

This is just a small pool of examples of media bias, which provides evidence to the clear bias that goes on.
The fact is they have been able to have many of the media sources correct misleading and false claims.
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:53 am

Okay what I will do is take me lords view on this

He and I have had many debates on the media espcially the daily Mail.

Now I respect his views, though not always will agree.

So based on the first article and the points made i will place and except whatever Me Lord decides on whether he thinks it was misleading with some of the sites and poor where a false claim of revenge was claimed before the facts were assertained?

I will thus accept his findings, being as he has more experince of journalism than any on here.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:48 pm

Didge wrote:Okay what I will do is take me lords view on this

He and I have had many debates on the media espcially the daily Mail.

Now I respect his views, though not always will agree.

So based on the first article and the points made i will place and except whatever Me Lord decides on whether he thinks it was misleading with some of the sites and poor where a false claim of revenge was claimed before the facts were assertained?

I will thus accept his findings, being as he has more experince of journalism than any on here.

Fine. My 20 years of professional experience in hard news, sports, entertainment, environmental and business journalism mean nothing then, because you don't like me.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:56 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:Okay what I will do is take me lords view on this

He and I have had many debates on the media espcially the daily Mail.

Now I respect his views, though not always will agree.

So based on the first article and the points made i will place and except whatever Me Lord decides on whether he thinks it was misleading with some of the sites and poor where a false claim of revenge was claimed before the facts were assertained?

I will thus accept his findings, being as he has more experince of journalism than any on here.

Fine. My 20 years of professional experience in hard news, sports, entertainment, environmental and business journalism mean nothing then, because you don't like me.

Stop being paranoid

Its about trust

You have to earn that, where based on any debate we have had on Israel to me you have been far from impartial
That is my perception.
As a Sports writer I bet you are not so easily influenced by empotions as you would be politically or socially, which is my point.
I bet you are very balanced as a Sports writer, but this is something where even the UN constantly singles out Israel over countless countries who constantly are actual commit human rights. From my point of view, Jews have been throughout history scapegoated and persecuted and I am seeing today some of the worst prejudice against Israel, when it simply wants to survie and exist as the one place where Jews do have sanctuary from discrimination. Does this come at a cost?
Yes, Israel has had to become so protective, because when you had people survive centuries of persecution, discrmination, hate and even the attempted genocide of their people. You are going to be that much more defensive to protect what few Jews there are in the world. If the Arab nations actually did except the right of Israel to exist, Israel would then have no reason to continue is defensive policies.

So back to your point, you have to demonstrate impartiality first on this.

When you are faced with extinction as th jews have been, then you might begin to understand.
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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:03 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:Okay what I will do is take me lords view on this

He and I have had many debates on the media espcially the daily Mail.

Now I respect his views, though not always will agree.

So based on the first article and the points made i will place and except whatever Me Lord decides on whether he thinks it was misleading with some of the sites and poor where a false claim of revenge was claimed before the facts were assertained?

I will thus accept his findings, being as he has more experince of journalism than any on here.

Fine. My 20 years of professional experience in hard news, sports, entertainment, environmental and business journalism mean nothing then, because you don't like me.


That, is exactly what most people do on here to people's views, when they don't like them personally.

I think you should go and eat worms.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:04 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

Fine. My 20 years of professional experience in hard news, sports, entertainment, environmental and business journalism mean nothing then, because you don't like me.


That, is exactly what most people do on here to people's views, when they don't like them personally.

I think you should go and eat worms.


That is incorrect again from my position.

See my previous comment
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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:07 pm

I said most. I think you answer the post not the poster most of the time.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:11 pm

eddie wrote:I said most. I think you answer the post not the poster most of the time.


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