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Post by eddie on Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:56 am

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A debate forum isn't just about spouting off your opnion and waiting someone else to finish typing before you can have your say. It's not about being right or necessarily disproving someone's opinion with endless links of "facts" either.

And links; what use are they when nobody believes what's inside someone else's link?
Seems to me, after reading this forum for a long time, that nobody wants to listen to any other voice but their own and won't even consider changing their minds.

And if your face doesn't  fit forget it! Everything is dependent upon who says it, on this forum. I've seen it time and time again. You don't like a poster? Well they must be taking shit then! You don't like a newspaper? Story must be rubbish then! You don't believe in something? The other poster is deluded then!

I have a high post count but my reading count is higher still. I read a lot of threads and don't post in them. Sometimes it's because I have nothing to add or sometimes it's because I see there's no point: the two debaters are having trouble hearing each other let alone adding a third wheel to the mix.  

All I see every day are posters not listening. Not respecting someone else's opinion.

Know what you never read on here? "Oh ok, you seem to know a bit more about that than me so I'll bow to your knowledge"
Oh wait there is one person that says that: me.

I don't have a burning need to be right because I know that you can't change someone's opinion if they're stuck on repeat, and you can't get anyone else to think differently - perhaps we are all too set in our ways?
I don't have a burning need to be right because not all facts, are  facts forever. Most of them are subject to change and if you think about it, lots of those facts change on a daily, monthly or yearly basis.
I don't have a burning need to be right because in some issues, it's merely a matter of choice as to what we believe.

We need to listen to eachother and respect each other's opnions and stop dismissing people simply due to who they are.

Some people on here have their favourite posters, I understand that, but just because you disagree with a poster in one issue doesn't mean you can't listen to them on another.
And don't get me started in grudges!!

I know I'm not always taken seriously; I'm a silly hippy poster who thinks that the world is made of rainbows....but I really do try to treat everyone fairly and perhaps not everyone gets me......I'm hoping someone will step up and help me out here and say "Hey edds, I hear you"

It's very early and this post is a bit of a waffle.
Feel free to add your opinion. I'm listening X

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Guest on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The Wall Street Journal reported, “The assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction.”

When further review was done, it was discovered that a mere 1% of scientists believe human activity is causing most of the climate change...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
Golly, gee-whiz ...I sure wish you'd obtain an adult to read your articles of choice to you and then perhaps you'd have a better grasp on the content/comprehension and stop twisting the written words into something that suits your F'd up mind-set!

In a Wall Street Journal article, authors Richard McNider and John Christy underscored the irony of Kerry comparing global warming skeptics to flat-earthers of ancient times. It was the flat-earthers who maintained something similar to the 97 percent "consensus" Kerry used to justify his rant. It was a tiny minority of scientists who posited that the earth was round. With regard to the actual science leftists accuse skeptics of ignoring, the McNider and Christy acknowledge that "carbon-dioxide levels in the atmosphere have increased due to the burning of fossil fuels, and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas, trapping heat before it can escape into space." Yet what remains unknown is the level of warming that will occur.
The only thing those 2 editorial writers were doing was poking at John Kerry's seemingly need to stretch the truth meter and scare the listeners that he was entertaining ...but you miss the MEAT of any article such as this and focus in on something you FEEL CONTENT to twist into validation for your erroneous POV.  



But here we are yet again, derailing Eddie's topic following you down your self absorbed rabbit hole because you are so dam good at it!  Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:32 pm

4EVER2 wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Dog shit breath claimed that all scientists who don't agree with man made climate change theory are working for oil companies.

I just proved him wrong.
 Shocked  Be careful there, you'll ruin/tarnish your shiny brass image before your adoring flock; they seem to think you never call any member names: Sasquatch - Dog Shit Breath - 4evertwat - Specsaver - even when we're not involved in your mental melt downs! 

Don't go blowing your sainted image for them, the rest of us are quite aware of your vile methods! 
Is any of that as bad as what you said to me?
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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:33 pm

Here's some 'inconvenient truth'...


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/it-was-all-a-lie-german-scientist-confirms-nasa-fiddled-with-climate-data/


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/12/green-scientists-caught-tampering-with-the-historical-record-again/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html



lol!



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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Guest on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:37 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
4EVER2 wrote:
 Shocked  Be careful there, you'll ruin/tarnish your shiny brass image before your adoring flock; they seem to think you never call any member names: Sasquatch - Dog Shit Breath - 4evertwat - Specsaver - even when we're not involved in your mental melt downs! 

Don't go blowing your sainted image for them, the rest of us are quite aware of your vile methods! 
Is any of that as bad as what you said to me?
   Still playing the victim card ...gee, and my witty rejoinder just made you all so suddenly highly righteously put out/bent out of shape! 

And your one way mirror must be telling you how anointed your posts are and have been to anyone else you do not like!   
Giving the barbs seems to be what you serve up ...accepting the return volley is what sends you screaming off to the mods!

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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:39 pm

More right-wing conservative sources, of course they'll say that. Why can't you find one neutral source supporting your claims, Tommy?

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:48 pm

I also think it's funny that after we knock down one of Tommy's claims, he doesn't even acknowledge it, he just moves straight to the next claim that's been debunked a thousand times Smile

Not how debate works ...

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:58 pm

Idea

A FEW FACTS :

The Wall Street Journal is not a 'peer reviewed' scientific journal.

Two freelance RW "journalists" writing for the WSJ are not independent scientists. They have no credibilty in matters scientific..

The WSJ is published by one of the world's leading RW nutbag publishers.

The WSJ is openly opposed to Democrats being in the Oval Office..

All of the above are clear and obvious facts.  Not "opinions"..          Cool

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Post by eddie on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:09 pm

For the record I totally believe that man is responsible for climate change.

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:20 pm

More like anyone who expresses a certain view is quickly dismissed as being a right wing conservative etc...


And you havent knocked down the Russian professors claim on other planets getting warmer as ours has...




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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:23 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:More like anyone who expresses a certain view is quickly dismissed as being a right wing conservative etc...


And you havent knocked down the Russian professors claim on other planets getting warmer as ours has...




Others have, though. https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:27 pm

That is just some other peoples opinions...

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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:That is just some other peoples opinions...

Sure, but they're logical, based on the fact that the sun is actually cooling slightly, and we obviously don't have weather stations on Jupiter Razz

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:58 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:That is just some other peoples opinions...

Sure, but they're logical, based on the fact that the sun is actually cooling slightly, and we obviously don't have weather stations on Jupiter Razz


Yet.....

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Re: Does anybody listen to anyone else?

Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:25 pm

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Miffs2 wrote:
Is any of that as bad as what you said to me?
   Still playing the victim card ...gee, and my witty rejoinder just made you all so suddenly highly righteously put out/bent out of shape! 

And your one way mirror must be telling you how anointed your posts are and have been to anyone else you do not like!   
Giving the barbs seems to be what you serve up ...accepting the return volley is what sends you screaming off to the mods!
Actually I didn't report what you said to me. Post as many smilies as you like you continue to be a hypocrite I shall continue to comment on it. I find you quite entertaining really, well, insofar as I still can't decide if you are a nasty piece of work or just thick and easily led.
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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:47 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
4EVER2 wrote:
   Still playing the victim card ...gee, and my witty rejoinder just made you all so suddenly highly righteously put out/bent out of shape! 

And your one way mirror must be telling you how anointed your posts are and have been to anyone else you do not like!   
Giving the barbs seems to be what you serve up ...accepting the return volley is what sends you screaming off to the mods!
Actually I didn't report what you said to me. Post as many smilies as you like you continue to be a hypocrite I shall continue to comment on it. I find you quite entertaining really, well, insofar as I still can't decide if you are a nasty piece of work or just thick and easily led.
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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:59 pm

Ah ok. Thick it is.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:03 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:More right-wing conservative sources, of course they'll say that. Why can't you find one neutral source supporting your claims, Tommy?


You idiots immediately start to shout down/dismiss any source as sixhirb/RW/conservative etc unless they fit with your misguided beliefs and programming.


But then you are quick to support biased sources and complete bullshit being spouted when it fits with your view...



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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:16 pm

Miffs2 wrote:Ah ok. Thick it is.
Why, I do believe that your 'MORON METER' is in need of a recharge; or what ever you do to recharge those failing mental charges/urges/flushes that you suffer from! 
 
You're quite the goading / troll this day ...but then I'll bet that's been your game plan from stepping in here! Twisted Evil


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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:31 pm

4EVER2 wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:Ah ok. Thick it is.
Why, I do believe that your 'MORON METER' is in need of a recharge; or what ever you do to recharge those failing mental charges/urges/flushes that you suffer from! 
 
You're quite the goading / troll this day ...but then I'll bet that's been your game plan from stepping in here! Twisted Evil



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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:54 pm

tommy on climate change



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:07 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Al Gore isn’t a scientist, Tommy.


lol!


I know... I never thought he was...!


But that didn't stop idiots like you believing the bullshit he was spouting years ago... and are still believing now...!


So why did his opinion get so much airtime, and portrayed as being so scientifically right/accurate/factual/true etc, have so much official support, and have so many people  come to believe him etc... when he never was a scientist back then and still isn't even any closer to being one now...!?


Either people were conned back then into believing this man was an expert and believing his story... or he was putting across the collective views of a large number of scientists... who have turned out to be completely wrong...!!!



Which is it...?



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:36 pm

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eddie wrote:Morning rags,

No I won't. I'm not trying to change anyone rags, I wouldn't want to, but it'd be nice to have hope that people will start listening to eachother.

It's the pre-judging of others that bugs me; "Oh he's a racist IMO so I won't even bother to take his posts about climate change seriously"

That's the kind of attitude that simply kills debate
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You won't change that either. Some people on here think my views count for nothing because of my religious faith. In fact, I'm interested in science, particularly medical science, and I'm actually quite logical. I find some people on here illogical actually - generally the ones who claim to be interested in "facts" and who hold themselves up as experts on particular subjects.


With ref to the highlighted bold bit of Eddie's post...


lol!


That is exactly how it is with the closed minded 'progressive' lefties on here!!!


This is how it goes... if you are against mass immigration for sensible social/economic reasons... then you're a racist etc... then because you are a racist and therefore sixhirb Nazi etc, then nothing else you have to say on any other subject is worthy of any consideration... because all racist sixhirb Nazis are stupid and evil... and it is the duty of the enlightened leftie to shout down anything that they say and kill debate.


And Raggs... I've told you before... I like your seemingly analytical/objective/independent style of thinking and am interested in and respect your resulting opinions!



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Post by eddie on Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:46 pm

Tommy I don't think you're racist

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:56 pm

Tommy isn't racist, some people just have to label
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