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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:53 am

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DALLAS police have confirmed the alleged snipers who were reportedly involved in the Dallas shooting are now in custody.

“The person of interest whose picture has been circulated just turned himself in,” the DPD confirmed.

“Another alleged suspect was in a shootout with Dallas SWAT officers. That suspect is also in custody. A suspicious package was discovered near this suspect’s location.

“The package is being secured by DPD bomb squad.”

Earlier, authorities released an image of one of the suspected snipers on the run from authorities as another officer was confirmed dead. That brings the death toll up to four.

They tweeted the image of the man with the caption “please help us find him”, but other reports suggest that man is in fact not the sniper.
It came during the chaos in Dallas as at least 11 police officers were shot in a protest over two recent fatal police shootings of black men.

Dallas Police Department Chief David Brown confirmed that 11 officers were shot by two snipers in downtown Dallas. Four are dead, three are critical, and two are in surgery.

Brown also warned: “We also believe these suspects have threatened to plant a bomb in the downtown area.”

“Tonight it appears that two snipers shot (11) police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally,” Brown said.

“Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition. An intensive search for suspects is currently underway. No suspects are in custody at this time.”

Fox News reports the survivors are in a “grave condition”.

The shooting took place in downtown Dallas just before the end of the rally, at about 8.45pm.

It is unknown if any civilians were injured in the shooting.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/dallas-police-shot-in-dallas-protest/news-story/2f6ee162afb6e5af75bf26ab259ff593

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:59 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:Of course Quill and Sassy will be screaming all over the forum when the police get even tougher and shoot more people before they get shot themselves - as long as it's not a white person they shoot of course. If it's a white person they'll just shrug.

You really can't get out of the shit-pit, can you?  You actually believe that the police are right in murdering innocent civilians.  It's a sport, eh?  Keep the troops happy so they won't ask for a raise?

I don't know how many metaphors we have to use to convince you...a dog chasing it's own tail?  A vicious circle?  A police murder begets a black murder begets a police murder begets a black man who is murdered.  In each case the perp is a bad person; why not focus on the bad people instead of championing one side.

You're the one who thinks it's fine for snipers to murder police officers in cold blood - for something that wasn't done to them. You're excusing murder FFS, and you have no thought whatsoever for the victims.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:16 pm

The sniper who was killed has been named as Micah Johnson. Reports say that he was killed by a robot!

He apparently said beforehand that he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. This was a racially-motivated crime. Anyone want to excuse that?

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:19 pm

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You really can't get out of the shit-pit, can you?  You actually believe that the police are right in murdering innocent civilians.  It's a sport, eh?  Keep the troops happy so they won't ask for a raise?

I don't know how many metaphors we have to use to convince you...a dog chasing it's own tail?  A vicious circle?  A police murder begets a black murder begets a police murder begets a black man who is murdered.  In each case the perp is a bad person; why not focus on the bad people instead of championing one side.

You're the one who thinks it's fine for snipers to murder police officers in cold blood - for something that wasn't done to them. You're excusing murder FFS, and you have no thought whatsoever for the victims.

That's a lie and you know it. But lying is habitual for conservatives. For them it's a way to dialogue and not be found wrong...to dodge. Because inevitably a conservative must divert attention away from the truth.

To keep the "vicious circle" going is the conservatives way of keeping racism going. If you once tried to stop the circuitous madness, you would have to reckon with the malfeasance of the police...not a tenable position for one who fancies a police state. And as Irn's quote of Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek notes, the conservative “feels safe and content only if he is assured that some higher wisdom watches and supervises change, only if he knows that some authority is charged with keeping the change ‘orderly.’”

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You're the one who thinks it's fine for snipers to murder police officers in cold blood - for something that wasn't done to them. You're excusing murder FFS, and you have no thought whatsoever for the victims.

That's a lie and you know it.  But lying is habitual for conservatives.  For them it's a way to dialogue and not be found wrong...to dodge.  Because inevitably a conservative must divert attention away from the truth.

To keep the "vicious circle" going is the conservatives way of keeping racism going.  If you once tried to stop the circuitous madness, you would have to reckon with the malfeasance of the police...not a tenable position for one who fancies a police state.  And as Irn's quote of Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek notes, the conservative “feels safe and content only if he is assured that some higher wisdom watches and supervises change, only if he knows that some authority is charged with keeping the change ‘orderly.’”

It's not a lie. You don't give a stuff about the officers who were killed in cold blood. You only care about the perpetrator because he was black. Well he was a murderer who killed white people - because they were white. You lefties have no empathy whatsoever - you're selfish, stupid, ignorant, and racist.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:27 pm

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That's a lie and you know it.  But lying is habitual for conservatives.  For them it's a way to dialogue and not be found wrong...to dodge.  Because inevitably a conservative must divert attention away from the truth.

To keep the "vicious circle" going is the conservatives way of keeping racism going.  If you once tried to stop the circuitous madness, you would have to reckon with the malfeasance of the police...not a tenable position for one who fancies a police state.  And as Irn's quote of Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek notes, the conservative “feels safe and content only if he is assured that some higher wisdom watches and supervises change, only if he knows that some authority is charged with keeping the change ‘orderly.’”

It's not a lie. You don't give a stuff about the officers who were killed in cold blood. You only care about the perpetrator because he was black. Well he was a murderer who killed white people - because they were white. You lefties have no empathy whatsoever - you're selfish, stupid, ignorant, and racist.

It's a lie and you know it.

It's your way of dodging the fact that you like the vicious circle.  You like cops killing blacks killing cops killing blacks killing cops...because it ultimately shows people not getting along.  That is the conservative's paradise.  Trouble calls down authority, and authority eschews justice.

And believe me, justice is the one thing the conservative does not want to see done. You'd rather see the anger reinvested in racism.

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It's not a lie. You don't give a stuff about the officers who were killed in cold blood. You only care about the perpetrator because he was black. Well he was a murderer who killed white people - because they were white. You lefties have no empathy whatsoever - you're selfish, stupid, ignorant, and racist.

It's a lie and you know it.

It's your way of dodging the fact that you like the vicious circle.  You like cops killing blacks killing cops killing blacks killing cops...because it ultimately shows people not getting along.  That is the conservative's paradise.  Trouble calls down authority, and authority eschews justice.

And believe me, justice is the one thing the conservative does not want to see done.  You'd rather see the anger reinvested in racism.

It's not a lie. Where is your condemnation for this racially-motivate crime? All you've done is excuse it, and blame the police - and me - for what those murderers did. You like it when white cops get killed - especially if black people kill them.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:36 pm

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eddie wrote:Well just to make it clear....I never did!

You exhibited a rather cavalier attitude towards the murder of the officers though. What did you call it? Oh yes - making "some noise".

Oh fgs rags! I was kind of bypassing that to get to the bomb bit.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Well if these three other suspects were involved, I hope they throw the book at them. Involved in the murder of police officers in a racially-motived crime? That's got to be a very long sentence - a well deserved one.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Raggamuffin wrote:You're excusing the murder of five police officers - no surprise there. This isn't retaliation, it's murder - let's call it what it is. Don't blame one cop for the death of another.

No, you are to blame, Raggs.  Your sentiment is what is perpetuating the murders.  You are down in the mud hurling insults at the other side, when the moral people are trying to rise above and stop this madness.

When are you going to learn that revenge begets revenge.  There are so many examples...the Hatfields and McCoy's are an excellent example.  For a century these two families along the West Virginia–Kentucky border killed each other for revenge.  Nothing got any better...it was just one murder after another.  And that's what you have here.  It's insane.

Wow! You're actually blaming me for the murder of five police officers. Now I know you've lost touch with reality. How about you have a bit of empathy for the victims instead of excusing the perpetrators? I guess you think that the victims of 9/11 deserved what they got, or maybe the victims of 7/7.


Nobody on this site gave two hoots yesterday about the 7/7 victims.
I posted a thread in Memoriam and...... just me and Didge.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:46 pm

eddie wrote:
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Wow! You're actually blaming me for the murder of five police officers. Now I know you've lost touch with reality. How about you have a bit of empathy for the victims instead of excusing the perpetrators? I guess you think that the victims of 9/11 deserved what they got, or maybe the victims of 7/7.


Nobody on this site gave two hoots yesterday about the 7/7 victims.
I posted a thread in Memoriam and...... just me and Didge.

I can only speak for myself - I'm not a fan of anniversaries of bad events. This event just happened.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:48 pm

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It's a lie and you know it.

It's your way of dodging the fact that you like the vicious circle.  You like cops killing blacks killing cops killing blacks killing cops...because it ultimately shows people not getting along.  That is the conservative's paradise.  Trouble calls down authority, and authority eschews justice.

And believe me, justice is the one thing the conservative does not want to see done.  You'd rather see the anger reinvested in racism.

It's not a lie. Where is your condemnation for this racially-motivate crime? All you've done is excuse it, and blame the police - and me - for what those murderers did. You like it when white cops get killed - especially if black people kill them.

When you resort to such obvious lies, I know you are feeling insecure in your arguments.  If you had a ray of sunshine to your argument, you would bask in it.  There is no sunshine in the argument that everyone should continue trading blows.  It's an endless cycle of darkness and collapse.

In my world, the policeman and the black man would live and prosper.  In my world both would lift their heads up and see that killing one another is futile.  The police have no monopoly on righteousness...if they did they wouldn't start it by killing another human being in the first place.  And the black man would see that there is nothing to be gained by taking up arms; it only reinforces the idea that there is nothing better.

What if the Dallas cops that were killed this morning were the good guys; the ones who would have gone on to make their department better and cleaner?  To that sniper I would say: you just set back your own cause by a few decades. Thanks for nothing!

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:51 pm

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It's not a lie. Where is your condemnation for this racially-motivate crime? All you've done is excuse it, and blame the police - and me - for what those murderers did. You like it when white cops get killed - especially if black people kill them.

When you resort to such obvious lies, I know you are feeling insecure in your arguments.  If you had a ray of sunshine to your argument, you would bask in it.  There is no sunshine in the argument that everyone should continue trading blows.  It's an endless cycle of darkness and collapse.

In my world, but the policeman and the black man would live and prosper.  In my world both would lift their heads up and see that killing one another is futile.  The police have no monopoly on righteousness...if they did they wouldn't start it by killing another human being in the first place.  And the black man would see that there is nothing to be gained by taking up arms; it only reinforces the idea that there is nothing better.

What if the Dallas cops that were killed this morning were the good guys; the ones who would have gone on to make their department better and cleaner?  To that sniper I would say: you just set back your own cause by a few decades.

There you go again - excusing these murderers on the grounds that some black guys got shot by the police. You say the police kill people, but you call the murder of police officers "taking up arms", as if that justifies it. The sniper didn't have a cause other than wanting to kill white people, and you're still justifying it. Do you think that Dylann Roof had a justified cause?

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:There you go again - excusing these murderers on the grounds that some black guys got shot by the police.

Um...the black guys did get shot...or did you miss that part?

Raggamuffin wrote:You say the police kill people, but you call the murder of police officers "taking up arms", as if that justifies it.


That's just your whiny interpretation.  Both of them are doing the same thing: blatant murder.  The terms that describe them are interchangeable.

Raggamuffin wrote:The sniper didn't have a cause other than wanting to kill white people, and you're still justifying it. Do you think that Dylann Roof had a justified cause?

And the cop in Minneapolis had a broken taillight.  If that justifies murder for you, then I truly think you are a lost cause.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:04 pm

I always know you lost the argument when you start splitting posts Quill. You're glad these officers were killed - there's no doubt about that.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:10 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I always know you lost the argument when you start splitting posts Quill. You're glad these officers were killed - there's no doubt about that.

Actually, I split posts because of enthusiasm.  It means you have given me, not one point, but several to make my case.  

As a lawyer, I build a case as one would build a wall...brick by brick.  What you are seeing when I split, is actually a graphic of how I argue effectively.  When you see me splitting posts, you are seeing me doing what I do best: framing and sorting arguments for the final thrust.  

It's fun...and sharpens your skills.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:14 pm

Hahahah Quiil I think we all know why you do it. We all answer posts point by point - some of us bold the parts.

It didn't need explaining Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:15 pm

Most people use c&p's, or just quote a long post.  They don't go into the article or post with a critical eye, and can't make a point by focusing into the various points.

I can and do.  It's to your advantage as well.  It helps you see exactly what I'm directly addressing on this point or that, rather than missing it all.

I wish more people would do it. It aids in sharpening everyone's skills at debate.

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Original Quill wrote:Most people use c&p's, or just quote a long post.  They don't go into the article or post with a critical eye, and can't make a point by focusing into the various points.

I can and do.  It's to your advantage as well.  It helps you see exactly what I'm directly addressing on this point or that, rather than missing it all.

I wish more people would do it.  It aids in sharpening everyone's skills at debate.

But lobbing poop is easy and fuuuuuuuuun ...

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:41 pm

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Original Quill wrote:Most people use c&p's, or just quote a long post.  They don't go into the article or post with a critical eye, and can't make a point by focusing into the various points.

I can and do.  It's to your advantage as well.  It helps you see exactly what I'm directly addressing on this point or that, rather than missing it all.

I wish more people would do it.  It aids in sharpening everyone's skills at debate.

But lobbing poop is easy and fuuuuuuuuun ...

Razz Razz I know. It's just that, if I have my druthers, I like to make sense of something. Wink

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Original Quill wrote:Most people use c&p's, or just quote a long post.  They don't go into the article or post with a critical eye, and can't make a point by focusing into the various points.

I can and do.  It's to your advantage as well.  It helps you see exactly what I'm directly addressing on this point or that, rather than missing it all.

I wish more people would do it.  It aids in sharpening everyone's skills at debate.

But lobbing poop is easy and fuuuuuuuuun ...

Razz Razz   I know.  It's just that, if I have my druthers, I like to make sense of something.  Wink

Same here, brother. Just making a little commentary on human nature Smile

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:19 pm

well from where I sit

Whilst the murder of tghose police officers in the execution of their duty is both tragic and counter productive...Is anyone REALLY surprised this has happened.

Those (individual) police officers that have been killed may well have been GOOD cops...

but to the mind of the opressed they were simply cops

and cops (jointly and severally by way of the institution) have become the enemy.

If you perceive yourself to be in a war, any "enemy soldier" is a legitimate target

thats not by way of excusing anything btw....BUT it IS the "logic" of a very illogical situation

tbh I think you may yet see more and or worse to come

those "bad cops" may have lit the flames under a petrol can.......

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:22 pm

Well put, LF. Something needs to be done at the federal level to cool things off.

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Post by eddie on Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:41 pm

Why are the media creating a war Didge?

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:44 pm

yeah yeah ...BUT the death that triggered these killings is not and can NOT be in any way "lawful"

the guy was on the ground and PINNED by officers, who shot him at point blank range....

and the same with many more....

Dont make the mistake of mixing up different statistics didge...


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Re: Snipers take down Police in apparent 'revenge' for Mudering Black men

Post by eddie on Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:05 pm

Are there any cases (I haven't googled) where officers have routinely shot white men, for no reason?

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:25 am

Lord Foul wrote:yeah yeah ...BUT the death that triggered these killings is not and can NOT be in any way "lawful"

the guy was on the ground and PINNED by officers, who shot him at point blank range....

and the same with many more....

Dont make the mistake of mixing up different statistics didge...


That is really a big part of it
it is the circumstances of the black men's deaths, traffic stops and while restrained etc that really provoke the outrage.
it is not like they are shooting up a theater etc and they took that shooter alive.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:57 am

Idea

MOST of the latest victim's of illicit/unnecessary 'by-cop' killings down here in NSW have been "whities", in more recent years...

Including a French national shot on a Sydney beach, a few years ago;
A Brazilian tourist Tasered by cops in Sydney a couple of years back;
A white woman having a psycho' episode on a Sydney street, while waving a knife at cops standing 3-->>5 metres back;
Back in the '90s a farmer was ''executed" (in the words of other neighbouring farmers..) by a police sniper during a police standoff at his property outside of Tumut on the NSW Southern Highlands..

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:06 am

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Why are the media creating a war Didge?


Not all the media, but those left leaning, that automatically presume, that when an Afrucan Amerian dies unlawfully at the hands of some Police officers. That they then play off a racial issue, hardly even exhasuting all possibilities for why the tragic event happened. As soon as the racist label has been endorsed by these left leaning media. Then the trust between the Police and African Americans gets wider.
Like i say, some will be down to racism, but many will be down to officers carrying out a very high risk role. Which is as seen made worse by how they are like the left media, led by fear over other officers deaths. To the point, this can an does render the ability of Offciers to use caution. They take a zero rosk factor approach when confronting a situation. This is clearly so by how there is a high number of those killed with mental health issues.



UNFORTUNATELY for that argument, Didge, the more salient fact is that the great majority of the larger newspaper, radio and Television outlets over there are owned and operated by either billionaires or big corporations these days...

Neither of which could exactly be called "left leaning", not by any stretch of the imagination..

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Re: Snipers take down Police in apparent 'revenge' for Mudering Black men

Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:07 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Are there any cases (I haven't googled) where officers have routinely  shot white men, for no reason?


Here is a recent one for you

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_us_55c0e240e4b0c9fdc75dfda3

I think the question was "where officers have routinely  shot white men, for no reason?"  I see nothing "routine" about the case you offer.  It appears to be an exception.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, US Department of Justice, a higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic (10%) drivers were stopped by police during 2011.  A lower percentage of white drivers stopped by police in 2011 were searched (2%) than black (6%) or Hispanic (7%) drivers.  The pattern is the same with previous, and subsequent years.

Most of the police murders are incident to traffic stops.  So it begins here.

Continuing, cops killed nearly twice as many blacks as whites in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black, but blacks represent only 13% of the population.  In 2015 the data show that unarmed black men are seven times more likely to die at the hands of a policeman than an unarmed white man.

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Post by eddie on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:11 pm

That's why I used the word "routinely".

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:16 pm

eddie wrote:That's why I used the word "routinely".

Exactly. The question calls for a statistical answer, not a single incident. You can't generalize from specifics.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:52 pm

"Routine", as a word, presupposes a series of events rather than a single incident.

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We can't generalize from specifics.

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Post by eddie on Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:39 pm

So there are no white people routinely shot by the police then?

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eddie wrote:So there are no white people routinely shot by the police then?

If you mean by "routine" an established pattern or statistical anomaly, no.  The unusual number of  shootings of black males by white police officers stand out because it is irregular and can only be explained by racist leanings on the part of the police.

A lot of American policemen, and the police tactics they developed, come from returning MP's and SP's from WWII.  Police departments and hence police tactics are a fairly new thing.  Before, in the 1850's and before, we might have marshals and constables, but policemen only in the rare instance.

The job of policeman stands in-between professional and construction worker.  A lot of the people who gained entry were of the latter variety, and came disproportionately from the south.  There was a huge migration of southerners into the northern industrial areas in the post-war years.  (Some of you might remember a CW song by Bobby Bare about this migration: "Home Folks Think I'm Big in Detroit City", or I Want to Go Home.)  That is why cities like Minneapolis and Cleveland have a lot of these racist shootings....white southerners becoming cops in northern cities.

We are right now in the process of professionalizing our police forces.  Cities like Los Angeles and Oakland have literally been taken over by the Feds, while other 'good' cities like Denver, Chicago and Seattle have advanced police science immensely in the past two decades.  The South (look at Harris County) is always going to be hopeless.  But these shootings are going to be a part of us as we go through this transition of weeding out the old, southern racists.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:15 pm

didge wrote:Nothing stands out other than the reality of 124 of this years 509 killed, had mental health issues. Which clearly if not recognised or understood by the police could easily confuse movements for aggression. Which does happen.

I gather you failed to notice the racial characteristics of the shooter and victim?  That fact alone speaks for itself.

If they were killed, you have no way of testing whether they had mental health issues.  If retroactive health records could have foreseen an issue, they would have most probably been acted upon.  We are so fond of hindsight, but clearly any noted problem was ambiguous at the time, and since the victim is dead they will stay ambiguous.

Mental health is a distraction, away from the fact that the police did not do their job properly.  To be sure, some people out there do have mental health issues.  But why are white mental health issues recognized, and the white man is not gunned down, when so often the black with mental health issues (if so) results in his death?  The race issue persists, and shines through all such alternative theories.

The fact is that there are methods and police tactics out there that are designed to deal with mental health issues and the disturbed patient.  These policemen simply don't know about them, or they have ignored them.  And again, why does this happen so often with the black man?  The race issue persists.

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didge wrote:So when you look at homicides and not the percentage population of an ethniic group to then base a claim that more blacks are 12 times more likely to be shot by the Police for example, but then the same principle will reply in reverse for the police officers, who will see that using the lefts logic. Then homicides commited by Blacks far exceeds their percentage population.

This is essentially the same old racist argument that confirms the white presumptions.  It doesn't prove anything about race.  Because blacks are gunned down by police disproportionately, they must (presumptively) be involved in crime disproportionately.  It fails to recognize that the police are not passive agents, but are selecting blacks as suspects more frequently.  It's called racial profiling.

It's faux self-validation.  You start with a premise that the police are neutral and non-biased, and lo, you end up with a conclusion that they are neutral and non-biased.

But we have see with our own eyes that this is not true.

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