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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:04 pm


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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:48 pm

Didge wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Rolling Eyes

YEH, yeh  Didgerii...

And what about those times that the English gov'ts of the day made it illegal for the Welsh and Scottish native tongues to be taught, or even spoken, in schools over there..

Wasn't all that long ago either, was it ?   Only a few years back..
The same English guvm'nts that kept local native populations out of the census figures for the colonies, no doubt...     Suspect

Another glowing sign of ignorance to add to some of the other poor posts.
This is the point, that it was once wrong and how societies have progressed.

On top of that we have the usual still defence of a belief, because people cannot differentiate between a people and a belief.
Martin Luther king never shied away from being critical of racism, as racism is a belief and he did so knowing this would no doubt offend somen racists. Its the belief being rightly attacked for why its wrong, not the concept of a white race or the people themselves being attacked. Hence the absurdity of a previous reply. All I am seeing is that the so called champions of of the oppressed, are nothing of the sort. Their action is the same with Syria.

Inaction.

They will not champion the cause of groups that suffer inequality. In fear that thia may offend some religious people. Then that is basically saying get stuffed to those oppressed. Where again its because of the religion and a luteral belief, that the problem stems from an over sensitivity. This is due because some of these religions are geared up to being incapable of admitting such a view is wrong. As to do that, means questioning their whole belief system and their deity Hence literal belief, is so dangereous. But as I say, this is surrendering to inequality, rendering the oppressed as secondary. To the protection of a belief, just because it may offend someone. Its the most backward regressive stance that is why we are seeing instead of progression of late, but instead people bringing us backwards, by defending poor beliefs.

Again its because people spoke out against slavery, which was endorsed by Christianity, that helped changed perceptions.
The same with womens rights etc. So why is it the left are continually in conflict, that they fear wrongly being labbled a bigot for speaking critical of beliefs that effect the well being of others and trheir equality?

Its simple, they treat certain groups as inferior and give those groups that much more leway, and thus allow and continuation of the suffering of groups, as they can live with that, but it would be unspeakable to speak out against a religious belief. Even when they daily speak out against political beliefs.

The contradiction is so bad, is embarressing to even attempt to reason with them.

He's referring to the Not Welsh policy.    My family are Welsh descent, and I've attended a Welsh speaking school, albeit briefly.   It wasn't a pleasant experience as I was totally ostracised by the Welsh as they spoke their language without me.  I was left at the back of the class to get on with it.   But hey ho... I got very good at drawing horses heads.

On a less light note....

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:40 pm

Try shutting the fuck up. Why have you come and started insulting me for no reason?

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:00 pm

Well I can't be as slow as you at learning Didge, can I?
Nobody makes the same mistakes with as many people as you.

And I will comment what I like when I like.
If you don't like it ignore it
Report it
Or fuck off.

Either of those options is fine with me.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:14 pm

Is someone getting emotional?
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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:17 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?


The above is emtoive by you, as it leads off an emotion

So try with the mirror Zack

Lol! I was talking about Eddie.

But funny how your paranoia exposes your emotional frailty.
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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:20 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?

Irritated is the word. Didge doesnt make me emotional Zack.
Never get the two confused with me.

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol! I was talking about Eddie.

But funny how your paranoia exposes your emotional frailty.


Which shows you also were being emotive as I said based off an emotion as you reacted

I never said anything about myself, so I guess the paranoia stems from yoursellf

Its funny how again it was emotions that made you react before thinking to what I had actually said

Lol! I'm a human. Of course I feel emotions. I'm not afraid to admit that.

You however have an emotional guard probably due to some abuse you suffered as a child.
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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:25 pm

I think I replied to Zack?

I reacted to the postman today when he dropped my letters in the rain.

Didge you're a four week cyclic poster; it builds up over a month and then you go BOOM.
Then you either leave, get chucked in the basement or say sorry.

Watch yourself today. You're on self-destruct mode.

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:32 pm

Ok whatever Didge. You win.
Get yourself some manpax. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:43 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:I think I replied to Zack?

I reacted  to the postman today when he dropped my letters in the rain.

Didge you're a four week cyclic poster; it builds up over a month and then you go BOOM.
Then you either leave, get chucked in the basement or say sorry.

Watch yourself today. You're on self-destruct mode.


Well Eddie, as you and Zack are being irrational, abusive and negative, then it seems you simply are unable to see how you are acting. Which is clearly no surprise. I simply responded with intelligence to a very poor point you made. You got upset and have since been rude and emotional

Its there for all to read and see

i suggest you relax and calm down

Lol! So now I'm abusing you?

I did say you have an abuse complex probably due to some trauma in your childhood.
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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:59 pm

Anyway. Back to the OP.

Did I hear right that this guy might be losing his church? And rightly so.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:01 pm

A Baptist preacher who made headlines last week after praising the June 12 mass shooting at the LGBT nightclub Pulse in Orlando, Florida, might be out of a church soon.

The property owner of the Sacramento, California, business park where the Verity Baptist Church presides has opted not to renew the church’s lease, The Los Angeles Times reports. Although Verity’s lease doesn’t end until March 31, 2017, officials for Harsch Investment Properties have asked the church to leave without any penalty for breaking the contract.

“We have many places of worship and other religious organizations in the properties we manage. Like all our tenants, their occupancy rights are protected in their leases, but we will not tolerate tenants who advocate hatred and the taking of innocent lives,” Harsch officials said in a statement, according to local news station WMAZ. Noting that the company has always supported the LGBT community, they added, “Just as we respect the right of individuals to speak their views, as distasteful as they may be, we also respect the right of others to protest as a reflection of their values.

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:15 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Anyway. Back to the OP.

Did I hear right that this guy might be losing his church? And rightly so.


You do not get to decide where the direction of the debate has gone

I am having a decent dicussion with Ben and others, which sadly you tried to spoil

Please do not spoil that just because you have some childish issue with me

My points still stand and is relavnt to the OP as to what is wrong with religion with literal belief


Listen Didge I'm only going to say this once: stop it.
I was getting the thread back in track and actually, I do get to say it.
And I did.

So back to the topic in any way you wish to go.

Thanks.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:40 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

We don't have a lot of Muslim hate-clerics in the U.S. As to the ones in the UK, someone usually beats me to the punch. I swear, some of y'all have a google alert with keywords like "Muslim Islam hate speech cleric UK muzzzzzzzzzz"

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:09 pm

What we do have is the Nation of Islam, that bizarre offshoot of Islam in which white people were created by an evil scientist, black people are the "original man" and Jews are doing all sorts of nefarious things behind the scenes.

I've been pretty outspoken against them in the past, but they've been less active lately.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:08 pm

Didge wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:What we do have is the Nation of Islam, that bizarre offshoot of Islam in which white people were created by an evil scientist, black people are the "original man" and Jews are doing all sorts of nefarious things behind the scenes.

I've been pretty outspoken against them in the past, but they've been less active lately.


Wonderful as that is a start, so you have no problem with the insensitivities of some Black American Muslims.
Muhammad Ali was one such follower who later in life changed from his once very antisemitic beliefs.
The point you seem to forget is that I advance those who propose a very forward islam. Not one born from countless unreliable acts and deeds of Muhammad's life or interpret the most prejudice views from the Quran. I back those looking to progress islam, as we see has happened in the main with Christianity. You though continually shy away thinking you will be wrongly labelled a bigot by speaking out on the many wrongs believed within the many variations of Islam. You do nothing for those oppressed under such islam, as such inactivity, as has seen. Allowed a core set within islam to believe they can continue to do so. That they abuse equality and the rights of people by playing off a victimhood, they have never suffered. Unlike actual real Muslim victims have from hate. You forget such islamism, makes no distinction also in promoting hate agaisnt other Muslims. Everytime you seek to defend the insensitivities of a belief, you further relegate those who suffer as secondary to that insensitivity.

And why?

You never shy away from being heavily critical from a conservative belief, or a racist belief and you have every right to do so, but place a belief with a mythical deity attached and you completely malfunction. As to doing what is right by standing up for the oppressed is then in conflict to you.

Think about that everytime, you think speaking out on bad beliefs in islam is wrong, as it may offend some Muslims. As you do nothing to help change the wrongs that have continued in that religion for 1400 years. You do nothing to actually back the progressive Muslims, who i back. Out to bring Islam into the 21st century.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t16408-fallujah-isis-fires-at-civilians-fleeing-battle

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:16 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

We don't have a lot of Muslim hate-clerics in the U.S. As to the ones in the UK, someone usually beats me to the punch. I swear, some of y'all have a google alert with keywords like "Muslim Islam hate speech cleric UK muzzzzzzzzzz"

You had a couple of Muslims shoot up a whole room not long back and kill a bunch of people. I'd say that was worse than a pastor mouthing off a bit, wouldn't you?

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:17 pm

Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:12 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

Do you think Ben would have bothered to post it if it had been an atheist who said it? He posted it because it was a Christian.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:20 pm

I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

Lol

They are many many Muslim bashing threads on here! So I don't see your point TBH

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

Do you think Ben would have bothered to post it if it had been an atheist who said it? He posted it because it was a Christian.

I like to post articles about trends going on in subcultures that I think might become more influential over time. If a prominent atheist community leader called for people to be killed, and I heard about it in a timely manner, I'd post it.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:56 pm

eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:57 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

Lol

They are many many Muslim bashing threads on here! So I don't see your point TBH

Not started by Ben. He does start ones aimed at Christians though.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

Well I guess there's no changing your mind then.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:06 pm

4EVER2 wrote:This is 'SUPPOSED' to be an open forum for current events that 'we the members' find of interest and want to bring in here for group discussion
As subjective as that is per member ...it's just as easy to ignore those specific genre titles or just resist the compulsion to allow it to annony you   
But we all know you lack that mental control or you'd be able to ignore my so irritating method of posting ...yet you're driven to stalk my posts like a shadow 

GAFY. If you don't like my posts, just ignore them instead of stalking me all over this forum.

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

Right. I don't have anything against decent people, regardless of their beliefs. I will disagree with them, but I won't bash anybody who doesn't deserve it.

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