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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:48 pm

Didge wrote:
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YEH, yeh  Didgerii...

And what about those times that the English gov'ts of the day made it illegal for the Welsh and Scottish native tongues to be taught, or even spoken, in schools over there..

Wasn't all that long ago either, was it ?   Only a few years back..
The same English guvm'nts that kept local native populations out of the census figures for the colonies, no doubt...     Suspect

Another glowing sign of ignorance to add to some of the other poor posts.
This is the point, that it was once wrong and how societies have progressed.

On top of that we have the usual still defence of a belief, because people cannot differentiate between a people and a belief.
Martin Luther king never shied away from being critical of racism, as racism is a belief and he did so knowing this would no doubt offend somen racists. Its the belief being rightly attacked for why its wrong, not the concept of a white race or the people themselves being attacked. Hence the absurdity of a previous reply. All I am seeing is that the so called champions of of the oppressed, are nothing of the sort. Their action is the same with Syria.

Inaction.

They will not champion the cause of groups that suffer inequality. In fear that thia may offend some religious people. Then that is basically saying get stuffed to those oppressed. Where again its because of the religion and a luteral belief, that the problem stems from an over sensitivity. This is due because some of these religions are geared up to being incapable of admitting such a view is wrong. As to do that, means questioning their whole belief system and their deity Hence literal belief, is so dangereous. But as I say, this is surrendering to inequality, rendering the oppressed as secondary. To the protection of a belief, just because it may offend someone. Its the most backward regressive stance that is why we are seeing instead of progression of late, but instead people bringing us backwards, by defending poor beliefs.

Again its because people spoke out against slavery, which was endorsed by Christianity, that helped changed perceptions.
The same with womens rights etc. So why is it the left are continually in conflict, that they fear wrongly being labbled a bigot for speaking critical of beliefs that effect the well being of others and trheir equality?

Its simple, they treat certain groups as inferior and give those groups that much more leway, and thus allow and continuation of the suffering of groups, as they can live with that, but it would be unspeakable to speak out against a religious belief. Even when they daily speak out against political beliefs.

The contradiction is so bad, is embarressing to even attempt to reason with them.

He's referring to the Not Welsh policy.    My family are Welsh descent, and I've attended a Welsh speaking school, albeit briefly.   It wasn't a pleasant experience as I was totally ostracised by the Welsh as they spoke their language without me.  I was left at the back of the class to get on with it.   But hey ho... I got very good at drawing horses heads.

On a less light note....

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:54 pm

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Didge wrote:

Another glowing sign of ignorance to add to some of the other poor posts.
This is the point, that it was once wrong and how societies have progressed.

On top of that we have the usual still defence of a belief, because people cannot differentiate between a people and a belief.
Martin Luther king never shied away from being critical of racism, as racism is a belief and he did so knowing this would no doubt offend somen racists. Its the belief being rightly attacked for why its wrong, not the concept of a white race or the people themselves being attacked. Hence the absurdity of a previous reply. All I am seeing is that the so called champions of of the oppressed, are nothing of the sort. Their action is the same with Syria.

Inaction.

They will not champion the cause of groups that suffer inequality. In fear that thia may offend some religious people. Then that is basically saying get stuffed to those oppressed. Where again its because of the religion and a luteral belief, that the problem stems from an over sensitivity. This is due because some of these religions are geared up to being incapable of admitting such a view is wrong. As to do that, means questioning their whole belief system and their deity Hence literal belief, is so dangereous. But as I say, this is surrendering to inequality, rendering the oppressed as secondary. To the protection of a belief, just because it may offend someone. Its the most backward regressive stance that is why we are seeing instead of progression of late, but instead people bringing us backwards, by defending poor beliefs.

Again its because people spoke out against slavery, which was endorsed by Christianity, that helped changed perceptions.
The same with womens rights etc. So why is it the left are continually in conflict, that they fear wrongly being labbled a bigot for speaking critical of beliefs that effect the well being of others and trheir equality?

Its simple, they treat certain groups as inferior and give those groups that much more leway, and thus allow and continuation of the suffering of groups, as they can live with that, but it would be unspeakable to speak out against a religious belief. Even when they daily speak out against political beliefs.

The contradiction is so bad, is embarressing to even attempt to reason with them.

He's referring to the Not Welsh policy.    My family are Welsh descent, and I've attended a Welsh speaking school, albeit briefly.   It wasn't a pleasant experience as I was totally ostracised by the Welsh as they spoke their language without me.  I was left at the back of the class to get on with it.   But hey ho... I  got very good at drawing horses heads.

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I agree it was bad, hence why things have gotten better and we should always try to keep very much alive languages, that are a part of our heritage.
It was just the poor point by Ben, claiming the language of Texas, is Spanish, just another colonial language, which just is another blatant case of ignoing the indegeneous languages.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:40 pm

Try shutting the fuck up. Why have you come and started insulting me for no reason?

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:42 pm

eddie wrote:Try shutting the fuck up. Why have you come and started insulting me for no reason?

See exactly what I mean insensitivities based only on something you claimed yourself
Nothing would have been stated if not for your completely idiotic comment stating a million years, which people did not even go back on.
You were trying to be funny, on something that is important to dsicuss.
Maybe you will learn next time not to

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:00 pm

Well I can't be as slow as you at learning Didge, can I?
Nobody makes the same mistakes with as many people as you.

And I will comment what I like when I like.
If you don't like it ignore it
Report it
Or fuck off.

Either of those options is fine with me.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:02 pm

eddie wrote:Well I can't be as slow as you at learning Didge, can I?
Nobody makes the same mistakes with as many people as you.

And I will comment what I like when I like.
If you don't like it ignore it
Report it
Or fuck off.

Either of those options is fine with me.


If that is what you think of me Eddie, you are entittled to your views, which is fine

Just stop ruining threads with idiotic comments to things that are important to some of us
Its you that is all angy and nasty here, not me, I simply used your own hypothesis towards your own idiotic views.
If you do not like that, tough

So here ends the lesson of the day for you

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:13 pm

Just to also point out how your own point also backfired, is that I am not living in the past. The porblem is with those who are living in the past off works that are 1400 years old, another 2000, years old and those 2500 years old. Then we have the past to show why they are wrong because today we strive for equality and yet some instead defend these beliefs from the past, which have no place in a society that cares for the well being and equality of others. If people wnat to believe in such beliefs, then they should be personal and yet sadly they effect the well being and equality of many, because people give credability to beliefs, if they are religious. When it comes to other beliefs, people never shy away from being critical or that it may offend some people. The problem is with those who are offended because that boils down to them being defensive over the reality that they might be wrong. So maybe you need to think a little better before you comment Eddie, as its clear to me on many things you simple are clueless.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:14 pm

Is someone getting emotional?
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:15 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?


The above is emtoive by you, as it leads off an emotion

So try with the mirror Zack

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:17 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?


The above is emtoive by you, as it leads off an emotion

So try with the mirror Zack

Lol! I was talking about Eddie.

But funny how your paranoia exposes your emotional frailty.
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:19 pm

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Didge wrote:


The above is emtoive by you, as it leads off an emotion

So try with the mirror Zack

Lol! I was talking about Eddie.

But funny how your paranoia exposes your emotional frailty.


Which shows you also were being emotive as I said based off an emotion as you reacted

I never said anything about myself, so I guess the paranoia stems from yoursellf

Its funny how again it was emotions that made you react before thinking to what I had actually said

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:20 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?

Irritated is the word. Didge doesnt make me emotional Zack.
Never get the two confused with me.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:21 pm

eddie wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Is someone getting emotional?

Irritated is the word. Didge doesnt make me emotional Zack.
Never get the two confused with me.


The above proves that you are being emotional as you are reacting

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:22 pm

Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol! I was talking about Eddie.

But funny how your paranoia exposes your emotional frailty.


Which shows you also were being emotive as I said based off an emotion as you reacted

I never said anything about myself, so I guess the paranoia stems from yoursellf

Its funny how again it was emotions that made you react before thinking to what I had actually said

Lol! I'm a human. Of course I feel emotions. I'm not afraid to admit that.

You however have an emotional guard probably due to some abuse you suffered as a child.
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:23 pm

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Didge wrote:


Which shows you also were being emotive as I said based off an emotion as you reacted

I never said anything about myself, so I guess the paranoia stems from yoursellf

Its funny how again it was emotions that made you react before thinking to what I had actually said

Lol! I'm a human. Of course I feel emotions.  I'm not afraid to admit that.

You however have an emotional guard probably due to some abuse you suffered as a child.


There is something wrong when people are led by negative emotions of which you are being as you came on here negativelly

There is nothing positive about that, as your starting position is based negativelly.

You then throw immature insults proving my point that you are led by negative emotions.

If that makes you human, you are welcome to that.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:25 pm

I think I replied to Zack?

I reacted to the postman today when he dropped my letters in the rain.

Didge you're a four week cyclic poster; it builds up over a month and then you go BOOM.
Then you either leave, get chucked in the basement or say sorry.

Watch yourself today. You're on self-destruct mode.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:27 pm

eddie wrote:I think I replied to Zack?

I reacted  to the postman today when he dropped my letters in the rain.

Didge you're a four week cyclic poster; it builds up over a month and then you go BOOM.
Then you either leave, get chucked in the basement or say sorry.

Watch yourself today. You're on self-destruct mode.


Well Eddie, as you and Zack are being irrational, abusive and negative, then it seems you simply are unable to see how you are acting. Which is clearly no surprise. I simply responded with intelligence to a very poor point you made. You got upset and have since been rude and emotional

Its there for all to read and see

i suggest you relax and calm down

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:32 pm

Ok whatever Didge. You win.
Get yourself some manpax. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:33 pm

eddie wrote:Ok whatever Didge. You win.
Get yourself some manpax. Rolling Eyes


Its never been about winning Eddie.
Just reason.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:43 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:I think I replied to Zack?

I reacted  to the postman today when he dropped my letters in the rain.

Didge you're a four week cyclic poster; it builds up over a month and then you go BOOM.
Then you either leave, get chucked in the basement or say sorry.

Watch yourself today. You're on self-destruct mode.


Well Eddie, as you and Zack are being irrational, abusive and negative, then it seems you simply are unable to see how you are acting. Which is clearly no surprise. I simply responded with intelligence to a very poor point you made. You got upset and have since been rude and emotional

Its there for all to read and see

i suggest you relax and calm down

Lol! So now I'm abusing you?

I did say you have an abuse complex probably due to some trauma in your childhood.
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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:45 pm

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Didge wrote:


Well Eddie, as you and Zack are being irrational, abusive and negative, then it seems you simply are unable to see how you are acting. Which is clearly no surprise. I simply responded with intelligence to a very poor point you made. You got upset and have since been rude and emotional

Its there for all to read and see

i suggest you relax and calm down

Lol! So now I'm abusing you?

I did say you have an abuse complex probably due to some trauma in your childhood.


Not being abused, as its menaingless your immaturity. You were giving abuse, which was quite childish where you throw in unfounded accusatios, based even worse on a subject you know zero about, psychology. So all you can do is be again as seen, negative towards me and if this is what islam teaches, then you are clearly the best evidence to show why religion is so wrong.

Thanks

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:59 pm

Anyway. Back to the OP.

Did I hear right that this guy might be losing his church? And rightly so.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:01 pm

A Baptist preacher who made headlines last week after praising the June 12 mass shooting at the LGBT nightclub Pulse in Orlando, Florida, might be out of a church soon.

The property owner of the Sacramento, California, business park where the Verity Baptist Church presides has opted not to renew the church’s lease, The Los Angeles Times reports. Although Verity’s lease doesn’t end until March 31, 2017, officials for Harsch Investment Properties have asked the church to leave without any penalty for breaking the contract.

“We have many places of worship and other religious organizations in the properties we manage. Like all our tenants, their occupancy rights are protected in their leases, but we will not tolerate tenants who advocate hatred and the taking of innocent lives,” Harsch officials said in a statement, according to local news station WMAZ. Noting that the company has always supported the LGBT community, they added, “Just as we respect the right of individuals to speak their views, as distasteful as they may be, we also respect the right of others to protest as a reflection of their values.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:04 pm

eddie wrote:Anyway. Back to the OP.

Did I hear right that this guy might be losing his church? And rightly so.


You do not get to decide where the direction of the debate has gone

I am having a decent dicussion with Ben and others, which sadly you tried to spoil

Please do not spoil that just because you have some childish issue with me

My points still stand and is relavnt to the OP as to what is wrong with religion with literal belief

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:15 pm

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eddie wrote:Anyway. Back to the OP.

Did I hear right that this guy might be losing his church? And rightly so.


You do not get to decide where the direction of the debate has gone

I am having a decent dicussion with Ben and others, which sadly you tried to spoil

Please do not spoil that just because you have some childish issue with me

My points still stand and is relavnt to the OP as to what is wrong with religion with literal belief


Listen Didge I'm only going to say this once: stop it.
I was getting the thread back in track and actually, I do get to say it.
And I did.

So back to the topic in any way you wish to go.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:16 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.


Yet you admitted to shying away from doing the same when that hate comes from another religion.
That my friend shows you understand you have to speak out on wrongs, but place the oppressed under a faith as secondary to the insensitivities born from religious belief itself. Which is what is wrong with literal belief, the fear of being wrong. Secularism did not advance based on insensitivities.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:40 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:07 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

We don't have a lot of Muslim hate-clerics in the U.S. As to the ones in the UK, someone usually beats me to the punch. I swear, some of y'all have a google alert with keywords like "Muslim Islam hate speech cleric UK muzzzzzzzzzz"

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:09 pm

What we do have is the Nation of Islam, that bizarre offshoot of Islam in which white people were created by an evil scientist, black people are the "original man" and Jews are doing all sorts of nefarious things behind the scenes.

I've been pretty outspoken against them in the past, but they've been less active lately.

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Post by Didge on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:31 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:What we do have is the Nation of Islam, that bizarre offshoot of Islam in which white people were created by an evil scientist, black people are the "original man" and Jews are doing all sorts of nefarious things behind the scenes.

I've been pretty outspoken against them in the past, but they've been less active lately.


Wonderful as that is a start, so you have no problem with the insensitivities of some Black American Muslims.
Muhammad Ali was one such follower who later in life changed from his once very antisemitic beliefs.
The point you seem to forget is that I advance those who propose a very forward islam. Not one born from countless unreliable acts and deeds of Muhammad's life or interpret the most prejudice views from the Quran. I back those looking to progress islam, as we see has happened in the main with Christianity. You though continually shy away thinking you will be wrongly labelled a bigot by speaking out on the many wrongs believed within the many variations of Islam. You do nothing for those oppressed under such islam, as such inactivity, as has seen. Allowed a core set within islam to believe they can continue to do so. That they abuse equality and the rights of people by playing off a victimhood, they have never suffered. Unlike actual real Muslim victims have from hate. You forget such islamism, makes no distinction also in promoting hate agaisnt other Muslims. Everytime you seek to defend the insensitivities of a belief, you further relegate those who suffer as secondary to that insensitivity.

And why?

You never shy away from being heavily critical from a conservative belief, or a racist belief and you have every right to do so, but place a belief with a mythical deity attached and you completely malfunction. As to doing what is right by standing up for the oppressed is then in conflict to you.

Think about that everytime, you think speaking out on bad beliefs in islam is wrong, as it may offend some Muslims. As you do nothing to help change the wrongs that have continued in that religion for 1400 years. You do nothing to actually back the progressive Muslims, who i back. Out to bring Islam into the 21st century.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:08 pm

Didge wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:What we do have is the Nation of Islam, that bizarre offshoot of Islam in which white people were created by an evil scientist, black people are the "original man" and Jews are doing all sorts of nefarious things behind the scenes.

I've been pretty outspoken against them in the past, but they've been less active lately.


Wonderful as that is a start, so you have no problem with the insensitivities of some Black American Muslims.
Muhammad Ali was one such follower who later in life changed from his once very antisemitic beliefs.
The point you seem to forget is that I advance those who propose a very forward islam. Not one born from countless unreliable acts and deeds of Muhammad's life or interpret the most prejudice views from the Quran. I back those looking to progress islam, as we see has happened in the main with Christianity. You though continually shy away thinking you will be wrongly labelled a bigot by speaking out on the many wrongs believed within the many variations of Islam. You do nothing for those oppressed under such islam, as such inactivity, as has seen. Allowed a core set within islam to believe they can continue to do so. That they abuse equality and the rights of people by playing off a victimhood, they have never suffered. Unlike actual real Muslim victims have from hate. You forget such islamism, makes no distinction also in promoting hate agaisnt other Muslims. Everytime you seek to defend the insensitivities of a belief, you further relegate those who suffer as secondary to that insensitivity.

And why?

You never shy away from being heavily critical from a conservative belief, or a racist belief and you have every right to do so, but place a belief with a mythical deity attached and you completely malfunction. As to doing what is right by standing up for the oppressed is then in conflict to you.

Think about that everytime, you think speaking out on bad beliefs in islam is wrong, as it may offend some Muslims. As you do nothing to help change the wrongs that have continued in that religion for 1400 years. You do nothing to actually back the progressive Muslims, who i back. Out to bring Islam into the 21st century.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t16408-fallujah-isis-fires-at-civilians-fleeing-battle

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t13252-for-losing-ramadi-isis-burns-its-own-fighters-alive

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t13035-ramadi-residents-say-isis-plans-to-use-them-as-human-shields

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12397-isis-desperate-to-sow-anti-islamic-sentiments-start-a-war

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t8080-isis-destroys-precious-pieces-in-northern-iraq-museum-updated

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7656-jordan-goes-tit-for-tat-with-isis-after-execution

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6438-isis-claims-to-have-beheaded-captured-u-s-journalist

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6170-defector-speaks-out-the-brutality-of-isis-terrifies-everyone

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t91-al-qaeda-wants-to-play-havoc-with-u-s-vehicular-traffic

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:16 pm

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I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

We don't have a lot of Muslim hate-clerics in the U.S. As to the ones in the UK, someone usually beats me to the punch. I swear, some of y'all have a google alert with keywords like "Muslim Islam hate speech cleric UK muzzzzzzzzzz"

You had a couple of Muslims shoot up a whole room not long back and kill a bunch of people. I'd say that was worse than a pastor mouthing off a bit, wouldn't you?

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:17 pm

Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:12 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

Do you think Ben would have bothered to post it if it had been an atheist who said it? He posted it because it was a Christian.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:20 pm

I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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To shine a light on this kind of hate speech, to do my little part to incite a groundswell of disapproval. As I told Vic, that's how you deal with hate speech when you don't have an oppressive, resentment-creating law to deal with it.

I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

Lol

They are many many Muslim bashing threads on here! So I don't see your point TBH

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:39 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Sorry rags I'm not understanding your problem here. Are you saying that becasue the Orlando shooting itself, was worse, that Ben needn't have bothered making a thread about someone only saying the victims of the shooting deserved to die?

Why does it have to be a religion-war? It's a story about a compete fuckwit who said something twisted and ignorant.

Do you think Ben would have bothered to post it if it had been an atheist who said it? He posted it because it was a Christian.

I like to post articles about trends going on in subcultures that I think might become more influential over time. If a prominent atheist community leader called for people to be killed, and I heard about it in a timely manner, I'd post it.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:56 pm

eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:57 pm

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I'll look forward to you doing the same when a Muslim says something which is out of order.

I daresay it will be a long wait.

Lol

They are many many Muslim bashing threads on here! So I don't see your point TBH

Not started by Ben. He does start ones aimed at Christians though.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

Well I guess there's no changing your mind then.

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This is 'SUPPOSED' to be an open forum for current events that 'we the members' find of interest and want to bring in here for group discussion
As subjective as that is per member ...it's just as easy to ignore those specific genre titles or just resist the compulsion to allow it to annony you   
But we all know you lack that mental control or you'd be able to ignore my so irritating method of posting ...yet you're driven to stalk my posts like a shadow 

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:06 pm

4EVER2 wrote:This is 'SUPPOSED' to be an open forum for current events that 'we the members' find of interest and want to bring in here for group discussion
As subjective as that is per member ...it's just as easy to ignore those specific genre titles or just resist the compulsion to allow it to annony you   
But we all know you lack that mental control or you'd be able to ignore my so irritating method of posting ...yet you're driven to stalk my posts like a shadow 

GAFY. If you don't like my posts, just ignore them instead of stalking me all over this forum.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:I disagree. And clearly you haven't seen a song he posted in a thread earlier.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9431p750-a-wonderful-daily-devotional-to-set-up-christians-for-the-day-god-bless-you#319274

He doesn't have anything against Christians as far as I can see.

Ha! Yeah, right.

Right. I don't have anything against decent people, regardless of their beliefs. I will disagree with them, but I won't bash anybody who doesn't deserve it.

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Post by Didge on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:01 am

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Wonderful as that is a start, so you have no problem with the insensitivities of some Black American Muslims.
Muhammad Ali was one such follower who later in life changed from his once very antisemitic beliefs.
The point you seem to forget is that I advance those who propose a very forward islam. Not one born from countless unreliable acts and deeds of Muhammad's life or interpret the most prejudice views from the Quran. I back those looking to progress islam, as we see has happened in the main with Christianity. You though continually shy away thinking you will be wrongly labelled a bigot by speaking out on the many wrongs believed within the many variations of Islam. You do nothing for those oppressed under such islam, as such inactivity, as has seen. Allowed a core set within islam to believe they can continue to do so. That they abuse equality and the rights of people by playing off a victimhood, they have never suffered. Unlike actual real Muslim victims have from hate. You forget such islamism, makes no distinction also in promoting hate agaisnt other Muslims. Everytime you seek to defend the insensitivities of a belief, you further relegate those who suffer as secondary to that insensitivity.

And why?

You never shy away from being heavily critical from a conservative belief, or a racist belief and you have every right to do so, but place a belief with a mythical deity attached and you completely malfunction. As to doing what is right by standing up for the oppressed is then in conflict to you.

Think about that everytime, you think speaking out on bad beliefs in islam is wrong, as it may offend some Muslims. As you do nothing to help change the wrongs that have continued in that religion for 1400 years. You do nothing to actually back the progressive Muslims, who i back. Out to bring Islam into the 21st century.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t16408-fallujah-isis-fires-at-civilians-fleeing-battle

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t13252-for-losing-ramadi-isis-burns-its-own-fighters-alive

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t13035-ramadi-residents-say-isis-plans-to-use-them-as-human-shields

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t12397-isis-desperate-to-sow-anti-islamic-sentiments-start-a-war

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t8080-isis-destroys-precious-pieces-in-northern-iraq-museum-updated

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7656-jordan-goes-tit-for-tat-with-isis-after-execution

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6438-isis-claims-to-have-beheaded-captured-u-s-journalist

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6170-defector-speaks-out-the-brutality-of-isis-terrifies-everyone

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t91-al-qaeda-wants-to-play-havoc-with-u-s-vehicular-traffic



Thank you for just proving my point

You have no problem being critical of ISIS or Al Qaeda, but not within Islam itself, and the bad beliefs that come with that where many suffer in Muslim majority countries that are governed by Islamic doctrine itself

You will never hope to change the problems within Islam as you do by not speaking out on them by being critical

You render the oppressed as insignificant to the insensitivities of those who get upset at their faith challenged

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Post by Didge on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:08 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Ha! Yeah, right.

Right. I don't have anything against decent people, regardless of their beliefs. I will disagree with them, but I won't bash anybody who doesn't deserve it.


Its not about bashing people, but being critical of beliefs, that effect the well being and equality of others.

They suffer daily, because you refrain from doing what is the right thing to do.

Again how on earth do you think slavery was ended?

Was it because you think people had nothing against some slavers that they would forgo speaking out on slavery itself?

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Post by Didge on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:12 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Ha! Yeah, right.

Well I guess there's no changing your mind then.


That is blatantly untrue as he rightly has issue with some neo-conservative Christians in the US, who again effect the well being and equality of others. He has no problem speaking on these problems and has no issue with the insensitivities of these evangical Christians. It is though the beliefs that he speaks out on, yet when it comes to Islam, he has what i can only describe as "writers block"

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