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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:04 pm


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Post by eddie on Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:30 pm

How christian of them.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:08 pm

As sick and pathetic as that OP piece is ...the social media pages have been rife with that mind-set; the fake faithful have used such heinous events to push their special agenda's for 'GOD's Hammer of Justice' to wipe out some lesser quality humans! 

Since those 'Christ Like Wanna-Be's' set themselves up for judge/jury for any human that can't quite reach their pedestal for what a Right Minded Christian Is Supposed To Be!  Evil or Very Mad

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Post by sassy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:10 pm

Sick in the extreme!

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:12 pm

Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.

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Post by sassy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.



I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:17 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.



I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then. Rolling Eyes

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:24 pm

Idea

LET'S NOT FORGET that these so-called "Independent  Christian (pseudo-Baptist) Pastors" across the US southern states Bible Belt, aren't really genuine Christians in their actions or beliefs, but are more akin to the likes of ISIS, the Westbro (fake)Baptists, the Khmer Rouge, or the German Nazi Party...

We only need to look at some of the things that various pseudo  "Christian Pastors" do and preach :
That the Earth is only 6,500 years old;
That dinosaurs were still around 6,000 years ago;
That abortion is sinful under all circumstances;
That all homosexuals/adulterers/blasphemers/people who look at you funny/smell strange/eat different food should be put to death,  preferably by stoning;
That the only way to deal with Islam is to launch a new Crusade against them, and wipe them from the face of the Earth;
That every American has the God-given right to carry a gun -- indeed some even go so far as to claim it's responsibilty !
Many of them also preach that Obama shouldn't be POTUS, that he isn't even American-born, and that he's actually a secret Muslim plant;
And that all national governments are "illegal" and immoral, and an abomination before the Lord..

In effect, most of those extremist "pastors" are in truth a misbegotten parody of religious leaders from mainline churches -- they reportedly also have higher rates of paedophilia, child abuse, infidelity and general corruption than any other religious groups in the USA  --  at the same time as preaching their holier-than-thou attitudes.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:31 pm

I dont see a) why ben is bothered
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b) why any one else is so hot under the collar....

dont you know they have freedom of speech over there...far superior to ours...


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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:33 pm

sassy wrote:Sick in the extreme!

And here's the real shame of all those wounded and dead young people; often the young female college girls will 'pal' up with their gay besties to go club hopping ...safety in numbers - club hopping in a bar setting where they can dance/drink/socialize among their girl friends and not get abused - verbally hit on numerous times by over bearing/beefy drunk Neanderthal men that can't/won't take a 'NO THANK YOU' for a polite answer. 

Yes, indeed - those clubs like 'PULSE' are the safest clubs for young college age girls to go and just have a good time without being pawed over like a hunk of meat and just be a young college girl out with her besties having a good time ...until some cretin with a AK15 decides to take that place as his SOFT TARGET.

But those lesser thinking/low bar IQ'd bible thumpers won't accept that --- "every body in there were the Satan's Child and needed to be wiped off this earth" and they preach that as if they're message is straight from God's own mouth! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:



I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then. Rolling Eyes

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.
yes it is, but that bloke is an utter areshole.
I dont believe in sky fairies of any variety by the way, I do respect others choice to do so.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:30 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Not that any of you know what a Christian is supposed to feel like of course.



I know exactly what a Christian is supposed to feel like, my eldest daughter is a Vicar with a wonderful congregation that do everything they can to help everyone, refugees included.   I might not agree with her about there being a God, but funnily enough, apart from that our ideas of goodness etc are very similar.

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then. Rolling Eyes

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

Seems to happen in a lot of religions, doesn't it?

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:27 pm

Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:29 pm

eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:43 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

Y'all need 'em.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:58 pm

eddie wrote:
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eddie wrote:Didn't this fucktard get arrested for this?

None of them have, we don't have the hate speech laws y'all have.

Y'all need 'em.

I think not, we've seen what they've done for y'all, and y'all can keep 'em.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:18 pm

then stop whingeing when something like this happens
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:30 pm

Vic you didn't speak proper Texan
He ain't gonna understand you mate No

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:37 pm

Didge wrote:
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Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh well, you know what all Christians are supposed to feel like then. Rolling Eyes

This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open.

Seems to happen in a lot of religions, doesn't it?

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

I think you've misunderstood what Ben meant. He was replying to this:

"This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open."

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:02 pm

Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:05 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:

Starting to catch on at last, with how so many issues stem from religion, espcially when its believed literally?

Finally, the penny drops

I think you've misunderstood what Ben meant. He was replying to this:

"This is just another Christian-bashing thread. One person says something bad, and the floodgates open."

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Sense? Like the sense you show in thinking that religious belief is just going to evaporate and we won't have to deal with religious people for the rest of our lives?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm

Didge wrote:
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Didge wrote:

What a shame, there was me thinking he had gained some sense at last

Sense? Like the sense you show in thinking that religious belief is just going to evaporate and we won't have to deal with religious people for the rest of our lives?

Wink

So now you further invent things I have not said.
Never claimed it would evaporate, its just your policy to bury your head in the sand dealing with it, is not the answer.
What is the answer is to be openly critical of bad things in religion, like where they teach to kill homosexuals.
So do you think? That not saying something critical of text hating and calling for the death of homosexuals, in case you may hurt the sensitivities of those that follow that religion. Is going to help equality and progress that religion?
Or further ensure that religion remains teaching inequality, hate and backwardness?

I think that if you draw false conclusions ("all members of religion X believe in committing horrific act Y in the name of god Z"), you're going to piss off members of religion X, rile up members of religions T through W against members of religion X and foment anger, hate and violence.

Remember, if religion is man-made, and it contains a hateful idea, it logically follows that the hateful idea was once a purely secular idea that some person or people codified into a religious value.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:18 pm

There's nothing wrong with religion, it only turns bad when someone abuses it or twists it out of its original shape.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:22 pm

Didge, let's take Islam as an example and posit that the majority of Muslims believe homosexuality is a sin.

Let's also posit that the majority of Muslims would not have someone put to death for being a homosexual.

How is your statement "their religion teaches them to kill gays" going to sound to them? Don't you think they'd see you as an ignorant, arrogant outsider who thinks he's better than them? Would you take advice from someone like that?

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:31 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.
Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:36 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.
Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan Smile

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:39 pm

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm not worried about offending ISIS -- I'm careful not to offend Muslims who are not ISIS. It's really simple!

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:39 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.
Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan Smile

where was that ...I musta missed it??

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:47 pm

Didge wrote:
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Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm not worried about offending ISIS -- I'm careful not to offend Muslims who are not ISIS. It's really simple!

Then you care more about and worry more about offending someone, than caring to defend those who this effects.
That is a flawed philosophy, none of which the great champions who have helped advance equality would approve of.
If you are concenred that speaking out against a bad belief might offend someone, then you are simply discarding those who suffer because of this belief taught.
So its not simply. Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave if he thought that his views should not be said incase he may offend some racist. The only difference here is you give credability to one belief, when neither have any scientific evidence to support each belief

You just have a really one-track way of looking at it, without really thinking through what happens when you say a huge group of people are responsible for the actions of a few.

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Re: U.S. - Christian pastors praising Orlando shooter

Post by eddie on Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:04 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
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Lord Foul wrote:then stop whingeing when something like this happens  
oh ang on...you have "got a right to whinge "....yes???


Si, ese es como la sistema trabaja.
Sí , pero no hace nada ¿verdad ? Al menos castigamos a los que transgrediría demasiado para disuadir a otros .

OH and why do yo keep replying to me in spanish now and again????

He's chatting you up and you just agreed to wear Cowboys boots and nothing else

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:51 pm

Didge wrote:In fact apply the same points to racism a 100 years ago Ben as well

Each time, my method has helped progress society

I am sure Martin Luther King, would not have been rememebred for being scared to offend some racists along the way. So maybe its time you understood, that we are talking about beliefs here and racism is just such a belief.
Its about time you learnt your history that it has been about speaking out on wrongs, that have helped advance societies. Helping us bring is that much closer to equality today.

I'm sure he would never have tried to demonise another group, in fact much like Ben he carefully targeted JUST the bad whites, he spoke in defence of those Whites that were 'moderate' and supported the change.

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And the marvelous new militarism which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers have evidenced by their presence here today that they have come to realize that their destiny is part of our destiny.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:55 pm

eddie wrote:Vic you didn't speak proper Texan
He ain't gonna understand you mate No

Here you go, Vic.

BTW, thanks, Veya. That quote illustrates my point perfectly.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:53 am

So Ben, you're not judging Christians by what a few of them said, and you're not advocating any kind of restraint on what they say. What then was the point of this thread?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:06 am

Didge wrote:
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Les castigamos socialmente; castigamos a su reputacion. Es mas eficaz, y no fomenta el resentimiento como teniendo una ley.

I replied in Spanish because of edd's comment about you not speaking Texan Smile

So not a native language of Texas, but just another colonial one then?

Why do they not teach you in schools many of the native American languages that are native to Texas?

Rolling Eyes

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And what about those times that the English gov'ts of the day made it illegal for the Welsh and Scottish native tongues to be taught, or even spoken, in schools over there..

Wasn't all that long ago either, was it ?   Only a few years back..
The same English guvm'nts that kept local native populations out of the census figures for the colonies, no doubt...     Suspect

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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:12 am

Wolfie, stop living in the past, it's water under the bridge.


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Post by eddie on Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:21 am

Every time a thread gets started on here we have to go back one million years ago. Rolling Eyes

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