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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:06 pm

Shadow cabinet resignations being described as a mass walkout!
11 gone so far.
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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:14 pm

Lol....what a pathetic lot they are.
So.....we have a Conservative government that soon will have no leader, and a Labour party that is falling apart at the seams.

I would not be surprised if UKIP got their act together first and snatched a lot of the voters who will feel they have been left up shit creek without a paddle.

Now wouldn't that play right into the hands of the people who said the 'leave' voters were racist? Laughing

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:22 pm

Syl wrote:Lol....what a pathetic lot they are.
So.....we have a Conservative government that soon will have no leader, and a Labour party that is falling apart at the seams.

I would not be surprised if UKIP got their act together first and snatched a lot of the voters who will feel they have been left up shit creek without a paddle.

Now wouldn't that play right into the hands of the people who said the 'leave' voters were racist? Laughing
Absolutely, what a bloody shambles!
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Post by sassy on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:23 pm

Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:31 pm

sassy wrote:Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.
And Labour will remain completely unelectable.
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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:36 pm

sassy wrote:Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.

ah...you mean you are enacting a stalinist purge....getting rid of all and any dissenters


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Post by sassy on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:37 pm

Lol, she's got you by the short and curlies hasn't she.   One of these days you'll get a brain of your own.   Poor Miffs.

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Post by sassy on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:38 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.

ah...you mean you are enacting a stalinist purge....getting rid of all and any dissenters


I suppose the next thing on your agenda is to make loyalty to labour and corbyn personally a precondition of having a vote


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They have got rid of themselves, you think any leader would keep them, that's hypocrital in the extreme.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:48 pm

never fear #JihadiJez has put a cabinet in place that will 100% loyal to dear leader


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:49 pm

anyone fancy a game of resignation bingo?


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:51 pm

oh yes chris bryant has resigned as well, on the bright side, no more underpant shots

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:52 pm

sassy wrote:Lol, she's got you by the short and curlies hasn't she.   One of these days you'll get a brain of your own.   Poor Miffs.

Care to explain what is meant by this post Sassy?
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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:52 pm

Syl wrote:Lol....what a pathetic lot they are.
So.....we have a Conservative government that soon will have no leader, and a Labour party that is falling apart at the seams.

I would not be surprised if UKIP got their act together first and snatched a lot of the voters who will feel they have been left up shit creek without a paddle.

Now wouldn't that play right into the hands of the people who said the 'leave' voters were racist? Laughing
you have an opposition where 200 of 234 of its mp's have no faith in their leader. I find it most amusing. I will be using my £9 of votes to help #JihadiJez remain leader if they are still valid.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:54 pm

sassy wrote:Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.
yes traitors is such a stalinist word isn't it. Will they be putting you in charge of the gulags or re-education camps.

These are people who have no faith in their leader and dont want to see labour dragged any further through the mire. Personally I hope #jihadijez stays as he is worth 50 seats to the tories.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:56 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
sassy wrote:Lol, she's got you by the short and curlies hasn't she.   One of these days you'll get a brain of your own.   Poor Miffs.

Care to explain what is meant by this post Sassy?
it means she has no argument and is desperately thrashing around trying to look clever. IT is sassy 101, not to confused with room 101 which doesn't exist

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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:56 pm

It's a shambles.
We seem to have split 2 into 4...Con remain and Con leave, Labour remain and Labour leave.

Corbyn vows he is staying and will assemble a new party......good luck with that then.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:58 pm

Syl wrote:It's a shambles.
We seem to have split 2 into 4...Con remain and Con leave, Labour remain and Labour leave.

Corbin vows he is staying and will assemble a new party......good luck with that then.
He couldn't assemble an ikea bookcase. I'm so disappointed in him.
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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:00 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:

Care to explain what is meant by this post Sassy?
it means she has no argument and is desperately thrashing around trying to look clever. IT is sassy 101, not to confused with room 101 which doesn't exist
Seems I will have to take your explanation as she has bottled it.
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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:04 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
Syl wrote:It's a shambles.
We seem to have split 2 into 4...Con remain and Con leave, Labour remain and Labour leave.

Corbin vows he is staying and will assemble a new party......good luck with that then.
He couldn't assemble an ikea bookcase. I'm so disappointed in him.

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:06 pm

Syl wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:
He couldn't assemble an ikea bookcase. I'm so disappointed in him.

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.
Really?!  Shocked
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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:09 pm

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Syl wrote:

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.
Really?!  Shocked

Yes, and since then I have always thought of him as a bit of a fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11898060/labour-conference-day-three-live.html

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:15 pm

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Miffs2 wrote:
Really?!  Shocked

Yes, and since then I have always thought of him as a bit of a fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11898060/labour-conference-day-three-live.html
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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:23 pm

Syl wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:
Syl wrote:It's a shambles.
We seem to have split 2 into 4...Con remain and Con leave, Labour remain and Labour leave.

Corbin vows he is staying and will assemble a new party......good luck with that then.
He couldn't assemble an ikea bookcase. I'm so disappointed in him.

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.

Yes Syl.....but it isnt just cream that floats to the top

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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:28 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Syl wrote:

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.

Yes Syl.....but it isnt just cream that floats to the top

Lol....well he is staying in spite of the no confidence shown to him.....so get used to the stink.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:29 pm

Syl wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:
He couldn't assemble an ikea bookcase. I'm so disappointed in him.

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.
surely he got there as a joke candidate.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:32 pm

A twelfth minister gone. It's like 10 little Indians in reverse!
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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:33 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Syl wrote:

I was never a Corbyn supporter though I have always voted Labour.
He seemed to rise to the top after his Labour conference speech....a  speech that everyone raved about.....problem was that speech was 20 years old and written for someone else, he just tweeked it to suit himself.
surely he got there as a joke candidate.

Trump, Johnson and Corbyn......a trio of jokers that have somehow managed to get people to vote for them. jocolor

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Miffs2 wrote:A twelfth minister gone. It's like 10 little Indians in reverse!

lol!

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:35 pm

Syl wrote:
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Really?!  Shocked

Yes, and since then I have always thought of him as a bit of a fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11898060/labour-conference-day-three-live.html
he spent 40 years railing against the EU and voting against every bit of legislation and he becomes leader and has some sort of paulian revelation.
he's a chancer who is way out of his depth being egged on by people who think the 70's were the best of times.

LAbour won 3 elections on eh trot, they probably would have won a forth if Gordon brown hadn't been such an abject coward when he took over. They looked at the record and thought, hmmm lets see is going further left will improve things, that failed in 2010, so decided to lurch further left, another abject failure with #SpecialEd so instead of looking to see why they won in 97, 01 and 07 they thought ah we lost because we were not left wing enough, so they chose a joke candidate and the rest is history, much like the labour party will be for a generation or more.

And as to wanting people to be loyal, he voted against his own party over 500 times during their time in power.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:37 pm

Labour need to get rid of all the anti british, pro eu, pro mass immigration, pro Muslim, pc and common purpose agenda driven lot that have been infesting British politics for years...


If they are to have any chance of regaining support from the millions of British working class voters who labour have been shitting on for years and who have lately turned their backs on voting for them...



It's not rocket science.. do what the people want and you will be popular and keep getting elected... go against this and lose support and become unelectable.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:38 pm

sassy wrote:Don't you worry about it, it's shown the traitors (who all funnily enough are part of the Chilcott report and didn't vote against the Governments Welfare Bill) so it's giving us a chance to get rid.  Jeremy tried being inclusive, they couldn't hack it, so now it's good riddance to bad rubbish and loads of Labour MPs are offering their support.   It's not going to be a problem, in fact, the opposite.   We can now offer all the socialist policies we want to.
I understand Kim Jong Un does a nice line in anti aircraft guns for those difficult people. Surely #JihadiJEz has got him on speed dial

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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:39 pm

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Yes, and since then I have always thought of him as a bit of a fraud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11898060/labour-conference-day-three-live.html
he spent 40 years railing against teh EU and voting against every bit of legislation and he becomes leader and has some sort of paulian revelation.
he's a chancer who is way out of his deapth being egged on by people who think the 70's were the best of times.

LAbour won 3 elections on eh trot, they probably would have won a forth if Gordon brown hadn't been such an abject coward when he took over. They looked at the record and thought, hmmm lets see is going further left will improve things, that failed in 2010, so decided to lurch further left, another abject failure with #SpecialEd so instead of looking to see why they won in 97, 01 and 07 they thought ah we lost because we were not left wing enough, so they chose a joke candidate and the rest is history, much like the labour party will be for a generation or more.

Also I think people were so disenchanted with the shower that was already here a new face was needed......pity it was his.

I swear if a charismatic character came along for any party...including UKIP, that party would soar in popularity.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:23 pm

Syl wrote:
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he spent 40 years railing against teh EU and voting against every bit of legislation and he becomes leader and has some sort of paulian revelation.
he's a chancer who is way out of his deapth being egged on by people who think the 70's were the best of times.

LAbour won 3 elections on eh trot, they probably would have won a forth if Gordon brown hadn't been such an abject coward when he took over. They looked at the record and thought, hmmm lets see is going further left will improve things, that failed in 2010, so decided to lurch further left, another abject failure with #SpecialEd so instead of looking to see why they won in 97, 01 and 07 they thought ah we lost because we were not left wing enough, so they chose a joke candidate and the rest is history, much like the labour party will be for a generation or more.

Also I think people were so disenchanted with the shower that was already here a new face was needed......pity it was his.

I swear if a charismatic character came along for any party...including UKIP, that party would soar in popularity.
hitler was charismatic.

I want a leader, not someone who depends on focus groups. A great speaker and yes charismatic as you so but with substance not all froth like blair.

I saw cameron speak in 2010 before the election and was really impressed with his enthusiasm and drive and his ability to talk with a passion, without notes  for an hour and then take questions for another 45 minutes without hardly a pause.
Sadly since the election win last year he seems to have lost his way entirely. I feel his big mistake was not saying we should stay, after all that was his considered opinion on what he thought was best for the country, his big mistake was then putting himself front and centre of the stay campaign., Had he stood back and just been a pm after giving his view he may well have been able to hang on until  a time of his own choosing.
Obviously I think his view was wrong and his reforms were at best minor. Oh how the EU must be ruing the day it decided to play hardball with him. He could have gone into those negotiations and really screwed some concessions out of them had they not known his heart wasn't in it, and perhaps then the result would be different and we wouldn't have lots of children whining about, its so unfair. Although I am sure some would have refused to give up the fight, I expect at the end of the day they would have accepted the will of the people, I did in 97, 01 and 07.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:28 pm

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he spent 40 years railing against teh EU and voting against every bit of legislation and he becomes leader and has some sort of paulian revelation.
he's a chancer who is way out of his deapth being egged on by people who think the 70's were the best of times.

LAbour won 3 elections on eh trot, they probably would have won a forth if Gordon brown hadn't been such an abject coward when he took over. They looked at the record and thought, hmmm lets see is going further left will improve things, that failed in 2010, so decided to lurch further left, another abject failure with #SpecialEd so instead of looking to see why they won in 97, 01 and 07 they thought ah we lost because we were not left wing enough, so they chose a joke candidate and the rest is history, much like the labour party will be for a generation or more.

Also I think people were so disenchanted with the shower that was already here a new face was needed......pity it was his.

I swear if a charismatic character came along for any party...including UKIP, that party would soar in popularity.
the problem with the labour party is you dont have charismatic people, you have earnest ones who have spent their lives in politics, you have ones who have made it via the quota system, but you dont have many who have made it on merit.

I respect frank field, but he could hardly be called charismatic, apart from him I would be hard pressed to name another labour MP who engendered any emotion in me except oh god, not another one.

there are no tony benn's or barbara castles in your party these days, although there are plenty of hereditary MP's. seems they got rid of hereditary's in the lords and replaced them in the party.

edit: hilary benn impressed me with his syria speech. #JihadiJEz got his revenge for that today

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Post by Syl on Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:49 pm

I agree about there being no charismatic Labour MP's now, I also agree about Tony Benn and Barbara Castle, they were passionate and it showed....sadly no one can match them now.

And yes...Hitler was charismatic, not sure why because he now seems like a character in an old Charlie Chaplin film, but he obviously had something that suited that particular time in history.
JFK and Clinton....both had that certain something.

We have no one....I include the Cons as well as Labour, and if gurning Nigel Farage is the best UKIP can offer it seems they are doomed as well..

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Syl wrote:I agree about there being no charismatic Labour MP's now, I also agree about Tony Benn and Barbara Castle, they were passionate and it showed....sadly no one can match them now.

And yes...Hitler was charismatic, not sure why because he now seems like a character in an old Charlie Chaplin film, but he obviously had something that suited that particular time in history.
JFK and Clinton....both had that certain something.

We have no one....I include the Cons as well as Labour, and if gurning  Nigel Farage is the best UKIP can offer it seems they are doomed as well..
jfk and clintons biggest thing in common was their appalling treatment of women.

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Re: Labour meltdown

Post by Syl on Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:07 am

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Syl wrote:I agree about there being no charismatic Labour MP's now, I also agree about Tony Benn and Barbara Castle, they were passionate and it showed....sadly no one can match them now.

And yes...Hitler was charismatic, not sure why because he now seems like a character in an old Charlie Chaplin film, but he obviously had something that suited that particular time in history.
JFK and Clinton....both had that certain something.

We have no one....I include the Cons as well as Labour, and if gurning  Nigel Farage is the best UKIP can offer it seems they are doomed as well..
jfk and clintons biggest thing in common was their appalling treatment of women.

And that only seemed to  increase their popularity.
Charisma over rides all the stuff that ordinary men would be pilloried for.
The treatment of their wives was appalling.....yet the wives remained, Jackie till his death and Hilary is still by his side, happily posing with pics of the grandchild.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:12 am

Syl wrote:I agree about there being no charismatic Labour MP's now, I also agree about Tony Benn and Barbara Castle, they were passionate and it showed....sadly no one can match them now.

And yes...Hitler was charismatic, not sure why because he now seems like a character in an old Charlie Chaplin film, but he obviously had something that suited that particular time in history.
JFK and Clinton....both had that certain something.

We have no one....I include the Cons as well as Labour, and if gurning  Nigel Farage is the best UKIP can offer it seems they are doomed as well..
actually I am really impressed with Jacob Rees-Mogg, he is articulate, passionate and knows his stuff. He also has something sadly lacking in far to many politicians a very good sense of humour and can poke fun without being mean spirited.
Sadly I dont think he is going to throw his hat into the ring. Of course the corbynista's would hate him because he is educated, articulate and passionate and also an etonian but for them it seems that you can discriminate against some people for their upbringing because the class war is not over, although the UK rejected it in 1979.
Michael Gove also impressed me during the debates, but he is loathed by the left, which in my view is a plus point because it must mean he was doing his job right.
It will probably be a fight between teresa may and boris though.
Boris is great on the stump. I saw him at veterans day in 07or 08 in Trafalgar square and he had the crowd in the palm of his hand. I am not sure Mrs May is that charismatic, but she does do a good kitten heel whatever that is and lets face it the time the tories had a lady leader the country was brought back from the brink.

I do hope that during the leadership election the government does not take its eye off the ball and once it is over they can get back on track.

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Re: Labour meltdown

Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:15 am

Syl wrote:
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jfk and clintons biggest thing in common was their appalling treatment of women.

And that only seemed to  increase their popularity.
Charisma over rides all the stuff that ordinary men would be pilloried for.
The treatment of their wives was appalling.....yet the wives remained, Jackie till his death and Hilary is still by his side, happily posing with pics of the grandchild.
hilliary is desperate to be president, so desperate she will cover up rape after rape and denigrate the victims. I expect as soon as her presidential ambitions are extinguished she will unceremoniously dump the serial rapist and womaniser.

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Re: Labour meltdown

Post by sassy on Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:59 am

You don't look further than your noses do you?






It’s Still the Iraq War, Stupid. 




No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?
The answer is the Chilcot Report. It is only a fortnight away, and though its form will be concealed by thick layers of establishment whitewash, the basic contours of Blair’s lies will still be visible beneath. Corbyn had deferred to Blairite pressure not to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq War until Chilcot is published.
For the Labour Right, the moment when Corbyn as Labour leader stands up in parliament and condemns Blair over Iraq, is going to be as traumatic as it was for the hardliners of the Soviet Communist Party when Khruschev denounced the crimes of Stalin. It would also destroy Blair’s carefully planned post-Chilcot PR strategy. It is essential to the Blairites that when Chilcot is debated in parliament in two weeks time, Jeremy Corbyn is not in place as Labour leader to speak in the debate. The Blairite plan is therefore for the parliamentary party to depose him as parliamentary leader and get speaker John Bercow to acknowledge someone else in that fictional position in time for the Chilcot debate, with Corbyn remaining leader in the country but with no parliamentary status.
Yes, they are that nuts.
If the fault line for the Tories is Europe, for Labour it is the Middle East. Those opposing Corbyn are defined by their enthusiasm for bombing campaigns that kill Muslim children. And not only by the UK. Both of the first two to go, Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander, are hardline supporters of Israel.
This was Benn the week before his celebrated advocacy of bombing Syria:
Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn told a Labour Friends of Israel (LFI) lunch yesterday that relations with Israel must be based on cooperation and rejected attempts to isolate the country.
Addressing senior party figures in Westminster, Benn praised Israel for its “progressive spirit, vibrant democracy, strong welfare state, thriving free press and independent judiciary.” He also called Israel “an economic giant, a high-tech centre, second only to the United States. A land of innovation and entrepreneurship, venture capital and graduates, private and public enterprise.”
Consequently, said Benn, “Our future relations must be built on cooperation and engagement, not isolation of Israel. We must take on those who seek to delegitimise the state of Israel or question its right to exist.”
Heidi Alexander actually signed, as a 2015 parliamentary candidate, the “We Believe in Israel” charter, the provisions of which state there must be no boycotts of Israel, and Israel must not be described as an apartheid state.
This fault line is very well defined. The manufactured row about “anti-Semitism” in the Labour Party shows exactly the same split. In my researches, 100% of those who have promoted accusations of anti-Semitism were supporters of the Iraq War and/or had demonstrable links to professional pro-Israel lobby groups. 100% of those accused of anti-Semitism were active opponents of the Iraq War. Never underestimate the Blairite fury at being shown not just to be liars but to be wrong. Iraq is their Achilles heel and they are extremely touchy about it.
No rational person would believe Brexit was Jeremy Corbyn’s fault. No rational person would believe that now is a good moment for the Labour Party to tear itself apart. Extraordinarily, the timing is determined by Chilcot.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/

Craig Murray is a former British Ambassador and Rector of the University of Dundee.



You think we don't know what was going on.   As I said, Jeremy, because he is a very decent man, tried to be inclusive.  Now he's not.

New Shadow Cabinet announced, absolutely thrilled about Clive Lewis, he has more go in him that all the Conservative Party put together.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:02 am

A friend of mine, who is a leftie, thinks the Labour party is finished and will never get in again ...

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Post by sassy on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:10 am

hurryupharry lol, who knows fuck all.

BTW, Corbyn delivered as much of the Labour vote to Remain as Nicola Sturgeon did.   We knew what the traitors would do and why they were doing it.   They are a dying breed and on their way out.   I can't even see their CLPs selecting them again, their CLPs are so angry and disgusted with them.   But it's a brilliant chance to bring on the new blood, and they handed that to us on a plate.

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Post by sassy on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:13 am

Raggamuffin wrote:A friend of mine, who is a leftie, thinks the Labour party is finished and will never get in again ...


Well, tell him to watch this space.   Rupert Murdoch might be gloating as he hated the EU, they didn't take any notice of him, while the Conservatives practically curtsey, and he had a lot of influence with those that have left.   Well, they are got rid thank goodness, something we have been urging Jeremy to do for a long time.  Now they have done it for us.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:15 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:A friend of mine, who is a leftie, thinks the Labour party is finished and will never get in again ...


Well, tell him to watch this space.   Rupert Murdoch might be gloating as he hated the EU, they didn't take any notice of him, while the Conservatives practically curtsey, and he had a lot of influence with those that have left.   Well, they are got rid thank goodness, something we have been urging Jeremy to do for a long time.  Now they have done it for us.

I will certainly tell him that Sassy. He's very interested in politics and the fallout from Brexit. However, he thinks that Comrade Corbyn is part of the problem.

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Post by sassy on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:22 am

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Well, tell him to watch this space.   Rupert Murdoch might be gloating as he hated the EU, they didn't take any notice of him, while the Conservatives practically curtsey, and he had a lot of influence with those that have left.   Well, they are got rid thank goodness, something we have been urging Jeremy to do for a long time.  Now they have done it for us.

I will certainly tell him that Sassy. He's very interested in politics and the fallout from Brexit. However, he thinks that Comrade Corbyn is part of the problem.


He's the solution.   Did he pretend that the EU was perfect - no, but gave his reasons for thinking it was better for working people.   Did he lie like the Brexit campaign (who have now admitted to all their lies) - nope he didn't.   Would he campaign with Cameron - no he wouldn't, because he didn't agree with Camerons reasons and said so.   Do he get the young voters out - he most certainly did, did he deliver the same percentage for Remain as Nicola Sturgeon - yes he did.   Tell your friend to get his arse in gear and go and listen to and meet the man.   He will never hear what he says in the media, they simply don't report his speeches even though people flock to see and meet him and he visited schools, workplaces, hospitals etc etc and gave over 130 speeches, working tirelessly up and down the country.   Those of us who know what he does know that the media has been trying to undermine him from day one, the thought of a real socialist scare the bejezus out of them.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:31 am

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I will certainly tell him that Sassy. He's very interested in politics and the fallout from Brexit. However, he thinks that Comrade Corbyn is part of the problem.


He's the solution.   Did he pretend that the EU was perfect - no, but gave his reasons for thinking it was better for working people.   Did he lie like the Brexit campaign (who have now admitted to all their lies) - nope he didn't.   Would he campaign with Cameron - no he wouldn't, because he didn't agree with Camerons reasons and said so.   Do he get the young voters out - he most certainly did, did he deliver the same percentage for Remain as Nicola Sturgeon - yes he did.   Tell your friend to get his arse in gear and go and listen to and meet the man.   He will never hear what he says in the media, they simply don't report his speeches even though people flock to see and meet him and he visited schools, workplaces, hospitals etc etc and gave over 130 speeches, working tirelessly up and down the country.   Those of us who know what he does know that the media has been trying to undermine him from day one, the thought of a real socialist scare the bejezus out of them.

My friend was really talking about Comrade Corbyn as the leader of the Labour party in general, not as a person who failed who secure a vote to stay in the EU.

It might be difficult for him to go and see Comrade Corbyn, but I'll certainly pass on your message to "get his arse into gear".

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Re: Labour meltdown

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:13 am

Laughing

WISHFUL thinking on the part of the conservatives on here, that the Labour Party is either in "meltdown" or in any way "finished"...

REALITY IS that both your own Tories and Labour are in disarray and damage control, looking for new leaders and bleeding their more dubious and shaky members..

FORTUNATELY for you lot of moaners and groaners ocver there, your former colonies -- Australia, NZ and Canada all have some slightly used but still relatively young former  politicians and union leaders, all ripe for recycling and ready to reinvigorate your political system !       Razz

AS FOR any chance of the likes of UKIP and their ilk taking control over there, surely that's just more pure fantasy on the part of those rusty old Thatcherites miffed, Dean, Ragg's and company..

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