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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:32 pm



Independence day!!!



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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by eddie on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:38 pm

It's time the public had their say.
They voted for the common market and not the EU.

Look, either way, in or out, the result in numbers, was going to show that a lot of people didn't want the EU.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:42 pm

Even with project fear unleashed on the public and with all those on the gravy train... this is a vote for Britains democracy!!!

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:55 pm

see the other thread...where as I said ...the lefty dictators want a second go.....


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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:59 pm

The lefties can fuk off!!!

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:27 pm

on the topic of democracy
interesting stat


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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:32 pm

On a bullshit poll of 1652 people...


Fuk off with your shitty polls bullshit!!!



The people have spoken!!!



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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:On a bullshit poll of 1652 people...

Fuk off with your shitty polls bullshit!!!

The people have spoken!!!


the point is the different opinion depending on age.
it is not suggesting that brexit didn't win
it just shows it won on the vote of the elderly

and the geographical split shows all Scotland voted in,
London and most of Northern Ireland voted in
all of wales and the rest of England voted leave

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:41 pm

Poll of 1600 people proves nothing...

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Didge on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:41 pm

Another factor here that is important with this vote
Self determination.
All the boxes ticked today that makes for a fair system and society.

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 pm

London is full of foreigners and champagne socialists on the eu gravy train...


A lot of Scots would have voted remain just in the hope that the result was leave so they could then start arguing for another Scottish uk referendum!!!



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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:45 pm



I bet it comes out in next few weeks that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of eu nationals have been wrongly given the vote too!!!

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:48 pm

that was just that image tommy Rolling Eyes
there isn't an exact number for the real vote but all polling supports the leave vote being higher with the elderly.

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:50 pm

Nobody has ever voted for the eu before!!!

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Post by Didge on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:50 pm

The question is now though. What on earth do UKIP do now?
Without their carrot on a stick, leaving the EU. What now will their appeal be?
They will have to reinvent themselves, as the likelyhood, is they will fade away into nothing. Not that i am bothered if they do lol

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:56 pm

We need Ukip to ensure we get the exit we need!


And to ensure we keep it!!!


And many of Ukips other policies are resonating well with the electorate!!!



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Post by Didge on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:We need Ukip to ensure we get the exit we need!


And to ensure we keep it!!!


And many of Ukips other policies are resonating well with the electorate!!!




They are the last people I would think of to negotiate any sort of deal
Like i say we need someone strong, with backbone and I do not see any UKIP members who have any of that.
This is the difference Tommy, which you always fail to grasp. In an election, its always what is in your pocket that people vote for and will continue to do so. UKIP have not any sound economic policies, hence why most of their votes for UKIP, were votes in protest at the EU itself. Now that we are going to be out, they have ceased to have their attraction anymore.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:03 pm

I'll do it didge....


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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:We need Ukip to ensure we get the exit we need!


And to ensure we keep it!!!


And many of Ukips other policies are resonating well with the electorate!!!



Christ, Tommy, I hope you have your heart medication handy!

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Post by Didge on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:06 pm

Lord Foul wrote:I'll do it didge....



I second that motion and you would certainly get my vote.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:06 pm


Wrong!!!


We need people to watch the exit from eu like hawks to ensure no dodgy deals are done which means we keep all the shit we have just voted to get rid of!!!



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Post by Didge on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Wrong!!!


We need people to watch the exit from eu like hawks to ensure no dodgy deals are done which means we keep all the shit we have just voted to get rid of!!!




Not UKIP, who are a bunch of homophobes, who voted down every single progressive move for homosexuals.
Again their appeal was to leave the EU and that is why people voted for them, also the vast majoirty of racists also jumped on their bandwagon and I predict next election. They will be down to about a million votes and then end up like the BNP, fading into nothing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:24 pm

Didge wrote:The question is now though. What on earth do UKIP do now?
Without their carrot on a stick, leaving the EU. What now will their appeal be?
They will have to reinvent themselves, as the likelyhood, is they will fade away into nothing. Not that i am bothered if they do lol

People said that about the League Against Cruel Sports when hunting with dogs was banned, but they're still going. Nigel Farage will reinvent himself anyway - he's a clever man.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Independence day!!!



lol!




Whichever knob-jockey gave Tommy a red for this post: have the guts to fess up and get the fuck out of the country.

See if the French treat you any better.
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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:50 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:On a bullshit poll of 1652 people...

Fuk off with your shitty polls bullshit!!!

The people have spoken!!!


the point is the different opinion depending on age.
it is not suggesting that brexit didn't win
it just shows it won on the vote of the elderly

and the geographical split shows all Scotland voted in,
London and most of Northern Ireland voted in
all of wales and the rest of England voted leave

Veya that's not a poll of the whole country is it? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:54 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Independence day!!!



lol!




Whichever knob-jockey gave Tommy a red for this post: have the guts to fess up and get the fuck out of the country.  

See if the French treat you any better.

I'm 4,800 miles out of the country already ... http://www.newsfixboard.com/t16709-brexit-sets-global-economy-reeling#315763

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Post by sassy on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:39 pm

veya_victaous wrote:on the topic of democracy
interesting stat




“I’m so angry,” wrote one Twitter user. “A generation given everything: free education, golden pensions, social mobility, have voted to strip my generation’s future.” Another statement, from a commenter on the Financial Times website that has been widely shared, summed up the sense of furious betrayal among the young: “The younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of its predecessors.”

But worry not – Boris Johnson said this morning that young people can look forward to a “prosperous future” once “we take back control”. Except few of us are likely to believe his empty rhetoric.

Three-quarters of young people – a massive mandate – are predicted to have voted remain, according to a YouGov poll, while those older than us made the decision to vote in favour of an uncertain vision of a future Britain that the young emphatically did not and do not want. Thank you to those baby boomers and their parents who either voted to stay, or who, in the days before the referendum, agreed to put aside their own feelings and vote on behalf of their children and grandchildren. We appreciate you trying.

There’s no point going into my own feelings about this result; I made that mistake after the general election and was mocked by rightwingers, as though openly acknowledging the fear and sadness you feel when a political result potentially has very real consequences for your family means that you are somehow overwrought and pathetic. But what I will say is that if you are young and you are experiencing feelings of fury and heartbreak about the result, you are justified in doing so. The political is personal; the way that the future weeks, months and years play out will have powerful, definable consequences on the way you live. This is one of those momentous turning points in our personal timelines; if you’re pissed off, you are right to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/young-angry-eu-referendum




My friends two grandchildren are going to Germany and France respectively to little towns for teaching experience from September, it was supposed to be for 3 years, sponsored by the EU.  They will probably be ok this year, but then?

Another friend has a son in microbiology, the funding for everything he does comes from the EU.  It obviously won't continue, so he plans to work abroad.

Thousands and thousands of young people will have their horizons restricted and their chances limited.  To those old people who didn't give a stuff about the young, shame on you.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:44 pm

sassy wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:on the topic of democracy
interesting stat




“I’m so angry,” wrote one Twitter user. “A generation given everything: free education, golden pensions, social mobility, have voted to strip my generation’s future.” Another statement, from a commenter on the Financial Times website that has been widely shared, summed up the sense of furious betrayal among the young: “The younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of its predecessors.”

But worry not – Boris Johnson said this morning that young people can look forward to a “prosperous future” once “we take back control”. Except few of us are likely to believe his empty rhetoric.

Three-quarters of young people – a massive mandate – are predicted to have voted remain, according to a YouGov poll, while those older than us made the decision to vote in favour of an uncertain vision of a future Britain that the young emphatically did not and do not want. Thank you to those baby boomers and their parents who either voted to stay, or who, in the days before the referendum, agreed to put aside their own feelings and vote on behalf of their children and grandchildren. We appreciate you trying.

There’s no point going into my own feelings about this result; I made that mistake after the general election and was mocked by rightwingers, as though openly acknowledging the fear and sadness you feel when a political result potentially has very real consequences for your family means that you are somehow overwrought and pathetic. But what I will say is that if you are young and you are experiencing feelings of fury and heartbreak about the result, you are justified in doing so. The political is personal; the way that the future weeks, months and years play out will have powerful, definable consequences on the way you live. This is one of those momentous turning points in our personal timelines; if you’re pissed off, you are right to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/young-angry-eu-referendum




My friends two grandchildren are going to Germany and France respectively to little towns for teaching experience from September, it was supposed to be for 3 years, sponsored by the EU.  They will probably be ok this year, but then?

Another friend has a son in microbiology, the funding for everything he does comes from the EU.  It obviously won't continue, so he plans to work abroad.

Thousands and thousands of young people will have their horizons restricted and their chances limited.  To those old people who didn't give a stuff about the young, shame on you.

You think that "old people" should have voted to stay so that two people could go to Europe for teaching experience?

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Post by sassy on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:45 pm

Don't be ridiculous, they were just examples.   This involves thousands of youngsters, this year and in all the years to come.   Chances they could have had no longer exist.

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sassy wrote:Don't be ridiculous, they were just examples.   This involves thousands of youngsters, this year and in all the years to come.   Chances they could have had no longer exist.

Perhaps many of those "old people" were thinking of young people, they just saw it differently to you. I don't think you have any call to be scathing about "old" people anyway.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:49 pm

yeah??...really...well that will be clueless life experience lacking wet behind the ears youngters, having been fed a diet of lefty rhetoric and lies.

you forget us "older" ones know EXACTLY what the left stand for..we have lived with them....and suffered from them too....

and here thay are proving it yet again...antidemocratic

desiring that one demographic group has "more say" than another

oh how "equal of you"

and maybe the remain brigade would have had 50,000 more votes....if the idle layabouts wernt getting stoned at glastonbury...

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Post by sassy on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:50 pm

We don't have to live with the results very long, they will have it for the rest of their lives, they have every right to be angry.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:51 pm

funny init...how thousands of young people come here from non eu countries to have their horizons "opened up"

yeah...really.....


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:57 pm

sassy wrote:We don't have to live with the results very long, they will have it for the rest of their lives, they have every right to be angry.

As I've said before, most people will vote for what they think is best for themselves - just like the young people did.

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:01 pm

We have all been stuck with the eu for decades and NOBODY EVER VOTED FOR IT!!!


NOW WE HAVE FINALLY GOT THE CHANCE WE HAVE VOTED OUT!!!


The younger people have plenty of out voters among them!!!


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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:06 pm

Idea

MANY of those most noisily celebrating their exit over there today --  the pensioners and the lowly paid  --  will most likely be the same ones whinging loudest next year, as they learn that their new found "freedom" really does have its downsides...      

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:07 pm

Blah blah blah bullshit waffle!

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Blah blah blah bullshit waffle!


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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:13 pm

Yes exactly that...

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:16 am

Lord Foul wrote:yeah??...really...well that will be clueless life experience lacking wet behind the ears youngters, having been fed a diet of lefty rhetoric and lies.

you forget us "older" ones know EXACTLY what the left stand for..we have lived with them....and suffered from them too....

and here thay are proving it yet again...antidemocratic

desiring that one demographic group has "more say" than another

oh how "equal of you"

and maybe the remain brigade would have had 50,000 more votes....if the idle layabouts wernt getting stoned at glastonbury...

exactly why old people shouldn't vote

you are stuck in the past
by left you mean sassy's sort of left, which sorry sassy, is old too

you think that left is the same left from the 30 years ago
just like you act like the world is still the same as 30 years ago (or bloody more)

Plus old people are too grumpy... on average Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:21 am

Lord Foul wrote:funny init...how thousands of young people come here from non eu countries to have their horizons "opened up"

yeah...really.....


building the future with less hill shepherds stuck in their little villages and not seeing how others live and the diversity of humanity.
It is inter-generational change, their was hope that the next generation of Europeans would be less isolated and mono-cultural.
And yes it is meant to be 2 way although obviously it would take some time to balance out.

Scrapped for young Brits now No

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Eilzel on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:26 am

The old vs young poll is true. As the youngest poster here (I think) I can tell you the vast majority of people may age and younger I know voted in. We are all massively pissed off because our abilities to work in Europe have just been complicated, and future of our country jeapordised, by a bunch of angry older people. Our generations will be the ones who suffer most from this- so thanks for that.

Meanwhile prominent leave campaigners have already reneged on 350 million to the NHS and that immigration would be greatly rediced. Great jobeave voters, thanks for nothing.

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:27 am

I was a young Brit when the eu was created under maastricht... I wanted to vote on it... so did everyone else... but we have had to wait 23 years to have our say!!!

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by veya_victaous on Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:50 am

23 years in the past for tommy. Cool Cool

my god how much more interconnected has the world become in that time Razz Razz

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:33 am

Eilzel wrote:The old vs young poll is true. As the youngest poster here (I think) I can tell you the vast majority of people may age and younger I know voted in. We are all massively pissed off because our abilities to work in Europe have just been complicated, and future of our country jeapordised, by a bunch of angry older people. Our generations will be the ones who suffer most from this- so thanks for that.

Meanwhile prominent leave campaigners have already reneged on 350 million to the NHS and that immigration would be greatly rediced. Great jobeave voters, thanks for nothing.

What about young people who want to work here and can't get a job because of all the people coming here from Europe?

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by eddie on Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:16 am

This vote has shown just how selfish people really become whilst preaching they are "interested in the greater good for everyone."

Bollocks are they. Left or right, each is only interested in how it affects them.

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by nicko on Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:28 am

LIZ, you don't live here, you'v taken your "skills" to help another country.
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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:funny init...how thousands of young people come here from non eu countries to have their horizons "opened up"

yeah...really.....


building the future with less hill shepherds stuck in their little villages and not seeing how others live and the diversity of humanity.
It is inter-generational change, their was hope that the next generation of Europeans would be less isolated and mono-cultural.
And yes it is meant to be 2 way although obviously it would take some time to balance out.

Scrapped for young Brits now No

ah yes the "new young left"

that self entitled, want it all shoved yp their arses, expect it all on a plate dont want to have to work for it generation...

the "new young left" that have never done a days hard work in their lives, expect to get a home and everything in it brand new and the latest thing
the "new young left" that die if you take their cell phone off them (and have to have a new "latest version" every 6 months")
the "new young left" that cant cook, cant repair anything, cant parent
the "new young left" who's men cant keep their cock in one relationship and who's women prefer 10 kids by 20 different fathers....

yeah ...bravo "the new young left"

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Re: A great day for Democracy!!!

Post by sassy on Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:20 am

Sometimes, the rubbish you come out with is so patently ridiculous that it just makes me laugh.   Yes, of course the opportunities were only for the left, they get asked that when they go for interviews for the opportunities - are you a lefty - ok you're in - are you anything else - ok you're out!   Do get a grip Vic, really, it's past the normal point now.

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