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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:03 pm


The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has just approved the first medical robot from Auris Surgical, a stealthy startup led by the co-founder of industry leader Intuitive Surgical, makers of the widely-used da Vinci robot.

The teleoperated ARES robot (the acronym stands for Auris Robotic Endoscopy System), was cleared by the FDA at the end of May, and could now be used for diagnosing and treating patients.

Auris, which describes itself only as a “technology company based in Silicon Valley,” was previously thought to be working on a robotic microsurgical system designed to remove cataracts, and the company has in fact filed several patent applications along those lines.

However, an investigation by IEEE Spectrum suggests that the company has greater ambitions, including, according to current and former employees, “building the next generation of surgical robots… capable of expanding the applicability of robotics to a broad spectrum of medical procedures.”

A close reading of recent patent applications filed by Auris scientists shows that the company is focusing on so-called endolumenal (or endoluminal) surgery. This involves surgeons introducing flexible robots via the body’s natural openings (the mouth in particular), to address conditions of the throat, lungs and gastrointestinal system. IEEE Spectrum can reveal that Auris has already carried out at least one successful human trial of such a robot, outside the United States.

Because endolumenal surgery does not involve large incisions or (usually) general anesthesia, it benefits fragile patients who cannot withstand the trauma of normal surgery. The Society for American Gastrointestinal and Endoscopic Surgeons estimates that effective endolumenal therapies for obesity and reflux diseases alone could help more than 1 million patients a year in the United States.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/devices/first-surgical-robot-from-secretive-startup-auris-cleared-for-use

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:26 pm

Seems that the odds on those 'robotic surgeons' leaving something foreign {shouldn't be left behind - tools/gauze patches} inside the patient might be less often ...that could only be a positive.

So sure - why not?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:33 pm

It's just a tool...maybe more complex, but functional in the same way, say, a laser scalpel or thermal blanket works. Given the precision of digital technology I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer it...that is, until something goes wrong.

I'd still like the attending surgeon to linger til it's over, if that's not asking too much.

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Post by eddie on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:03 pm

If you'd like a human present Quill what you're really saying is you don't want a robot operating on you, without really saying it.

I'll say it. No thanks. Human hands only please.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:59 pm

fuck that
human doctors fuck up way more than machines

inject me with nanobots

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:05 am

Imagine this then...

Robots working to save your life and they can't do it.
They fail and you die.

Your last moments on earth spent with no one who gave you a seconds thought or felt a little upset at your passing or said a little silent prayer or gave a silent bow of the head.

The robots don't care.



(They might have tried just a little harder if they did....?)

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:54 am

eddie wrote:Imagine this then...

Robots working to save your life and they can't do it.
They fail and you die.

Your last moments on earth spent with no one who gave you a seconds thought or felt a little upset at your passing or said a little silent prayer or gave a silent bow of the head.

The robots don't care.



(They might have tried just a little harder if they did....?)

the robots try their hardest all day every day, they never get too tried or had a fight with the wife or a cocaine bender
the robot knows no try, it does or does not.

care doesn't change the fact that current surgeons rely on robots because the surgeon doesn’t have the capacity of the robot due to physical limitations.
the Surgeon is still a beast still built to live a life, the robot it is built for one thing, it sole purpose for existence is surgery, it is dedicated beyond the level a homo sapiens can be dedicated.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:12 am

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        ROBOTIC surgeons don't actually "remove" the surgeon from the operation, so much as simply distancing them from the actual direct hands on on element, whether from a few centrimetres, or a few thousand klicks...

EDDIE'S worries about robots thinking or not caring is a sheer nonsense, in this regard --  this story doesn't discuss the completely separate issue of replacing a surgeoan with AI, but is looking at the development of better robots themselves..

There are several areas where robotic surgeons are already in use, such as with fragile patients or with doing small scale internal surgery, without making major incisions -- as already discussed in this story -- and with fine and delicate surgery, where movements are smoothed out and more precise/refined.          

OTHER potential uses could include doing surgery over a distance --  e.g.  Antarctica, battle fields, advising surgery from another country.

AS WELL, there could be the opportunity to use pre-programmed robots to do some standard procedures in emergency or harsh conditions -- effectively, spreading one surgeons/teams expertise and skills over several sites, as and when required -- like during natural and man-made disasters, at the battle front during wars, in remote locations (e.g. Antarctica, Himalaya or Karakoram, Amazon jungle, during space exploration..).

THE long term possibilities are boundless..         alien

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:56 am

My worries are not "sheer nonsense" are they?
The fact we are discussing robot surgeons means my scenario is very probable.

I didn't sit and chat about robot surgeons eating their patients, that, would be nonsense.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:06 pm

eddie is right in that there will be robot surgeons.
it will be automation by stages like everything else.
and already some parts are automated that is how keyhole surgery is feasible

biological immortality is close to possible with nano bot surgeons already injected into you body, essentially working like t cells with higher capabilities.

the new cancer treatment in the other thread is interesting and over crosses here, we may one day have competing technology, genetically engineered super t cells versus nanobot surgeons

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:00 pm

eddie wrote:My worries are not "sheer nonsense" are they?
The fact we are discussing robot surgeons means my scenario is very probable.

I didn't sit and chat about robot surgeons eating their patients, that, would be nonsense.


ROBOTS don't think or feel...

Therefore, your points are highly irrational..

WHEN "A.I." advances to the point where robots can "think", then we will be discussing android surgeons, and not simply robots.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:07 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:My worries are not "sheer nonsense" are they?
The fact we are discussing robot surgeons means my scenario is very probable.

I didn't sit and chat about robot surgeons eating their patients, that, would be nonsense.
ROBOTS don't think or feel...

Therefore,  your points are highly irrational..

WHEN  "A.I." advances to the point where robots can "think", then we will be discussing android surgeons,  and not simply robots.

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While the image in the OP was for discussion purposes ONLY - it hardly depicts what actually takes place in a actual operation setting: where's the anesthesiologist/surgical nurse/surgeons assistant/surgeon that has to sign off on the medical procedure - surely won't be the 'robot'?  
In any given surgery there are no less then 5 - 8 certified people doing their specific jobs - this 'robotic surgeon' won't be replacing the entire surgical team No Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:08 pm

I'm not sure, but have you completely missed my point?
Doesn't matter.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:01 pm

Eddy stated > Imagine this then...
Robots working to save your life and they can't do it.
They fail and you die.
Your last moments on earth spent with no one who gave you a seconds thought or felt a little upset at your passing or said a little silent prayer or gave a silent bow of the head.
The robots don't care.
(They might have tried just a little harder if they did....?)
WYWofie replied then I posted >
While the image in the OP was for discussion purposes ONLY - it hardly depicts what actually takes place in a actual operation setting: where's the anesthesiologist/surgical nurse/surgeons assistant/surgeon that has to sign off on the medical procedure - surely won't be the 'robot'?  
In any given surgery there are no less then 5 - 8 certified people doing their specific jobs - this 'robotic surgeon' won't be replacing the entire surgical team
Eddie posted > I'm not sure, but have you completely missed my point?
Doesn't matter.
I can't for see a future where you'd ever be in a operating room where it would just be you - strapped to a gurney and just a robotic surgery equipment and no other human life form in there with you!
We aren't that advanced - 'YET' ...that was my point! There are far too many skilled humans standing around when you get put under - doing their specific jobs to NOT have 'someone care or bow a head'.


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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:07 pm

I meant wolf missed my point. His was the last post I read.

Well I don't think that's a given tbh. I hope you're right but I wouldn't bet all my life savings on it.

I bet those humans will assist for a few years and then there will come a time when the human "pops out" for longer and longer periods.

These things are organic and happen over time.

Hope it won't be my lifetime.

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