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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 2:19 pm

EXCLUSIVE POLL: 12 MILLION Turks say they’ll come to the UK once EU deal is signed
MORE than 12 million Turkish citizens are planning to move to Britain when the country joins the European Union, an explosive poll for Express.co.uk has revealed.
By Caroline Wheeler and Nick Gutteridge, EXCLUSIVE
PUBLISHED: 00:02, Sun, May 22, 2016 | UPDATED: 10:13, Sun, May 22, 2016


In the most extensive survey of its kind, almost 16 per cent of Turkish adults said they would consider re-locating to the UK once their country becomes a full member of the EU.

According to the poll, which saw more than 2,600 adults interviewed across all 27 provinces of Turkey, most of those keen to come to Britain are either unemployed or students, raising the prospect of a migrant influx which would place an unprecedented strain on the UK’s struggling public services, including the NHS.

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The results come as separate figures expose the security risk posed to the UK by Turkey’s accession to the EU - an ambition previously supported by the Prime Minister.



Analysis by Vote Leave suggests Turkey’s membership in the EU would result in far higher numbers of criminals coming to the UK.

Figures released by the campaign group show the crime rate in Turkey far exceeds that of the UK, with the murder rate at least four times that of Britain.

There are also nine million privately-owned firearms registered to its citizens.

Last night David Davis said Turkey’s plans to join the EU was the strongest argument for Brexit, as he warned it would unleash a new wave of migration that would push down wages and threaten the country’s security.



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   We are currently sending over £1billion to Turkey to help them join the EU - the only way to stop this affecting the UK is to Vote Leave on 23 June

 

Responding to the poll, the former shadow home secretary said: “You cannot blame young people who want a better life in Britain, but it will overwhelm our public services; it will have an extraordinarily depressing effect on wages and as a result it will cause real pain and penalties for the poorest in Britain.

“It will be the least well off who will be competing for the same jobs; competing for the same public services.

“That is why the prospect of Turkey joining the EU is one of the strongest arguments for the UK to leave.”

On the security risk, Mr Davis added: “This is the problem that dare not speak its name.


The poll shows around 12 million people are keen to come to the UK once Turkey joins the EU

“If you look at the population in British prisons there are a disproportionate number of people of non-British origin in there and the reason is entirely predictable; Britain is a lucrative target for criminals.

“As our economy does well to someone from a very poor society who already has a criminal background this is a natural target.

“These are really important issues which we need to take seriously; they are not issues of race or bigotry; they are issues of real self-interest for ordinary people.”

Turkey, which has an 80 million strong population, is pressing its case to become a full EU member after wrestling the right to visa-free travel for its citizens across the Schengen Zone.

Full-membership would give the country’s predominantly Muslim population the right to free-movement across Europe, with un-fettered access to Britain.


Today’s poll reveals for the first time the intention of those living in Turkey if it joined the EU, with 15.8 per cent of the population - the equivalent of 12.6m people - in favour of making a new home for themselves and their families in Britain.

The survey was carried out by Turkey’s leading pollsters KONDA, which conducted face-to-face interviews with 2,685 Turks aged 18 and over between May 7 and 8.

Each person was asked the question: “If Turkey becomes a full member of the EU, and Britain remains in the EU, would you, or any member of your family, consider relocating to Britain?”

In total 15.8 per cent responded that they would consider emigrating to Britain, whilst 84.2 per cent said they were not thinking of making the move to the UK.

The wish to relocate to our shores was highest amongst the unemployed people surveyed, a staggering 36 per cent of whom expressed their desire to make the move.



Political tensions and cultural divides in Turkey have resulted in a large number of terror attacks

Turkey’s unemployment rate has spiralled over the last year and hit 10.9 per cent in February this year, far above Britain’s rate of 5.4 per cent.

The next biggest group was the country’s two-million strong student population, with 34 per cent of those asked saying they planned to relocate to Britain.

Foreign Office Minister James Duddridge said: “These figures reveal the huge pressure our public services will come under if we stay in the EU.

“We will be powerless to stop millions of Turks accessing our schools, hospitals and housing, who will be attracted to the UK by our higher wages and living standards.

“We are currently sending over £1billion to Turkey to help them join the EU - the only way to stop this affecting the UK is to Vote Leave on 23 June.”

Prominent Tory eurosceptic Peter Bone added: “These figures demonstrate the true danger of remaining in the EU.

“Our public services are at breaking point and our housing stock depleted with the current situation of uncontrolled migration.


“Our country cannot accommodate another 12 million people.

“Unless we leave the EU, there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop this influx of Turks.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672563/Turkey-EU-Britain-exclusive-poll-crime-figures-Turks



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 2:53 pm

Stop the madness!!!


VOTE out of the EU!!!

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun May 22, 2016 4:02 pm

The most hilariously over the top alarmist bullshit I've seen in a while!

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Post by nicko on Sun May 22, 2016 4:09 pm

Ben you are an idiot, there is no other word for it.

Your knowledge of our country is sadly lacking.
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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 4:13 pm

Why the hyped up rhetoric about fleeing the EU agreement is beginning to sound so very familiar to this American's ear; exactly like the hype & hysteria pushed by the NRA and their 'Obama Will Come After Your Guns' mentality.  Never happened, yet those talking point 'bullets' rolled so easily off the pointed heads of the humans that just didn't look at the NRA agenda and how it has hurt America in the long run.
Is the EU going to benefit England or do reputable damage for their trade and border neighbors that allow the special trade workers to cross over and go to work?  While it's a 'fine/noble' state of mind to feel all holier than thou about the non-British among you; what about those same 'non-British' that export their labor/goods/skills into the neighboring countries and come back to England and close their doors at night?

Here's an interesting POV about the other side of the EU issue > > > 
No doubt there are unsavoury elements in the Brexit campaign as well. But let us consider instead the more respectable arguments. For Brexiteers, freedom is often linked to parliamentary sovereignty. A proud nation should be free to make its own laws, without meddling from foreign institutions, such as the European Commission or the European Council. This argument seems persuasive.
The commission does indeed propose all kinds of laws and directives, which have to be approved by the council, and voted on in the EU parliament. Some of these laws might be better left to national governments. But again, Britain has considerable clout in the institutions that shape them. If Britain wants to retain access to the single European market from the outside, it would still have to abide by EU laws and regulations, but without any influence on their creation. The sense of freedom regained might turn out to be no more than an illusion.
What about human rights, another familiar bugbear of the Brexiteers? Britain was one of the founders of the European Court of Human Rights in 1959. These rights were established by the European Convention on Human Rights, signed by Britain and much influenced by British jurists. Citizens can lodge complaints against member states if they feel their rights have been breached. Most complaints are against the Russian government, very few against the British. Even though this court is not formally a EU institution, anti-EU campaigners in Britain see it as an intolerable assault on national sovereignty. Would British citizens be freer without their government being bound to international agreements on human rights? Would it enhance their freedom not to be able to sue their own government in a European court? I’m not persuaded.
Britain is a great trading nation. Brexiteers like to claim that the UK, once released from the shackles of Brussels, will again be free to trade with the whole world. There is, however, nothing to prevent Britain from trading with non-EU nations now. Germany has far more business in China than Britain has. To be sure, Britain could try to establish new trade agreements with non-European countries. But it seems foolish to give up Britain’s current status; being in Brussels but outside the eurozone is the best of all worlds, at least for the time being. I’m not convinced that Britain would be in a stronger position if it left the EU altogether. The US has already indicated that it would not make special trade deals with Britain alone.
Perhaps the most emotive argument for leaving concerns immigration. Here, too, the word freedom is relative. Freedom of movement in the EU is one of the fundamental rights of all EU citizens, including the British, even though Britain does not share the open borders of the Schengen zone. A British builder, or scholar, or artist, or businessman, does not need a special permit to live in Paris, Barcelona or Berlin. But that is one freedom the Brexiteers would wish to curtail. True, outside the EU, Britain might have more liberty to stop Polish builders or Romanian nurses from settling here. I say ‘might’ because Norway must let in migrants from EU countries as a price for trading in the single market. But would less freedom to move around Europe really enhance the freedom of British citizens?
So why would so many British people, or perhaps more accurately English people, wish to leave the EU?
Some of it has to do with an insular frame of mind. Why are Spanish, Dutch, French or German soccer players, happy to play for clubs all over Europe while few English players follow their example? Some of it is political: left-wing Brexiteers see the EU as a capitalist cabal, while right-wing Brexiteers see leftish foreign busybodies sticking their noses into British business.
I don’t want Britain to leave, because I think the deeply flawed EU is in considerable trouble and Britain can do more good, for itself and for Europe, inside the EU than out. I would feel less comfortable in a Franco-German Europe. Or forget the ‘Franco-’ part: there is absolutely no reason any more to be beastly to the Germans, but few people, even Germans themselves, want to be dominated by Berlin.
The EU needs its Atlanticist western seaboard, and not as a sour outlier, wallowing in memories of faded pomp and circumstance. Inside the EU, Britain can balance the continental powers and use its liberal traditions for the common good. Outside, perhaps cut loose by a far more pro-European Scotland, England will survive, but with markedly less sway. And if freedom means more than being left alone, there will be less of that as well.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/why-leaving-the-eu-wouldnt-make-britain-any-more-free/
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 4:20 pm

That is rubbish... you obviously have no understanding of the facts.

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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 4:24 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The most hilariously over the top alarmist bullshit I've seen in a while!



Is it alarmist?

Just look at the average wage in Turkey compared to the rest of the EU, let alone the UK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

Now, if you can move to another country and earn at least 4 times what you are earning in Turkey, do you think millions are not going to uproot and look for better paid work?

Again you simply fail to understand history or the migration to the US itself

There really needs to be a restriction to the movement of EU people, its only fair to the EU nations.

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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 4:26 pm

I imagine many will move to Germany as their first choice as there is already many Turks living there

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Post by nicko on Sun May 22, 2016 4:49 pm

I wish they would all move to Texas.
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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 4:59 pm

PERSONALLY...in an evil, sneaky sense in a way I hope that they do...all 12 million of them in the first year,,,,,

The resulting collapse and ensuing armageddon of civil disturbance would provide.....opportunities...lets say

certainly the infrastructure would collapse....the NHS, the economy, britain would as a nation be threatend with veyas longed for wipeing out......

NO nation could withstand a virtually instant increase in its population of 25%...which increase would NOT be matched by an equvalent increase in national income, but woud be matched by an equivalent increase in costs...

also...we do not, despite the R/W liars statements to the contrary, have enough jobs to go round for our PRESENT population

where are we suddenly going to find 12 million jobs...


and veya NO...building infrastructure these 12 million would need ISNT the answer....

they would still need paying....where is the money to pay them going to come from? Where is the money for the materials going to come from? it would have to be "created"

creating money causes inflation...


creating that amount of money creates "runaway inflation"

you know a loaf of bread costing 10 million pounds (marks??) ...sound familiar....

but hey ho...let em come

a period of (un) civil war might wake people up......


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 5:14 pm



We are already under invasion...

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun May 22, 2016 6:51 pm

I can't value the opinion of an American, not whilst America Is so fanatical about its own sovereignty
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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun May 22, 2016 7:09 pm

nicko wrote:Ben you are an idiot,    there is no other word for it.

Your knowledge of our country is sadly lacking.

You live in fear and bitterness and it shapes your opinions. There's no way 12 million Turks are going to uproot and "invade" the UK, and the OP is actually really deceptive in that the headline says it will happen, while the story says that they "would consider" it. Hell, I've considered quitting my job and traveling the country in an RV, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.

When Poland entered the EU, their minimum wage was just one fifth of what they could earn in the UK. They face the same distance to travel and language barrier as the Turks, and yet the UK got a little over a half-million Poles between 2004 and 2010. The cultural barrier for Turks is even larger than the one faced by the Poles. So please, think about that before labeling me an idiot.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun May 22, 2016 7:13 pm

nicko wrote:I wish they would all move to Texas.

We have 4,000 living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area alone Smile

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Post by eddie on Sun May 22, 2016 7:34 pm

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nicko wrote:I wish they would all move to Texas.

We have 4,000 living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area alone Smile

How big is that compared to London?

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Post by eddie on Sun May 22, 2016 7:37 pm

Well it's quite big/:

he 2015 official estimate U.S. Census has the Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex at 7,102,796,[4] making it the largest metropolitan area in the South. During the 12-month period from July 2008 to July 2009, the Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington metropolitan area gained 146,530 new residents, more than any other metropolitan area in the United States.[5][6] The area's population has grown by about one million since the 2000 US census.[7] The Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington MSA is, by population, the largest metropolitan area in Texas, the largest in the South, the fourth-largest in the United States, and the eleventh-largest in the Americas. The metroplex encompasses 9,286 square miles (24,100 km2) of total area: 8,991 sq mi (23,290 km2) is land, while 295 sq mi (760 km2) is water, making it larger in area than the U.S. states of Rhode Island and Connecticut combined. It also has the fifth largest gross metropolitan product (GMP) in the United States,[8] and approximately tenth largest by GMP in the world.

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Post by eddie on Sun May 22, 2016 7:38 pm

London: 1,572 km2

Dallas Fort Worth: 24,100km2

Even taking away the area covered by water, it's still bigger.

Stop comparing it. It's pointless.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun May 22, 2016 7:57 pm

eddie wrote:London: 1,572 km2

Dallas Fort Worth: 24,100km2

Even taking away the area covered by water, it's still bigger.

Stop comparing it. It's pointless.

Yeah, but they wouldn't all be moving into London, but the entire UK (according to the OP).

Anyway, it's bullshit. See my comparison to Polish immigration to the UK. The notion of 12 million in one year is patently ridiculous, and I can't see how this isn't more widely recognized as ludicrously unrealistic fearmongering.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun May 22, 2016 7:59 pm

And what about the survey itself? If the participants were asked a question like:

"If Turkey gains EU membership, would you consider migrating to the UK?"

They might have said yes just because saying no might seem kind of rude -- "No, I would never consider moving to the UK."

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 8:15 pm

We already have loads of Turkish people here in uk...


They have managed to come here over decades and without being in eu with open door/free movement... shit loads more would turn up if they get the chance through eu open door to them...


One of my uncles is from Turkey and has been here for over 50 years!!!



And let's not forget that when Poland was being given open door access back in 2004... the 'experts' told us that only about 30,000 would come here...


Also... what language barrier!?

In most European countries, their schools teach them English as a second language!!!



During the 10 years after Poland got open door free movement, their unemployment rate in Poland halved from around 20% down to about 10%... while our youth unemployment rate doubled!!!


While the figure here for black youth unemployment rocketed, going up to about 50%!!!


Wage rises here also stagnated with wages actually going down in many cases!

And costs of living here rocketed with home rental costs having now doubled or tripled...


I even recently posted a link about a Polish lorry driver who arrived here 12 years ago saying exactly this about wages and rent costs and he was also saying the problem was the mass arrival of other Romanian and Bulgarian people who recently got given open door free movement!!!



I really think some of you here have no idea of the scale of the problems!!!


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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 8:17 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:And what about the survey itself? If the participants were asked a question like:

"If Turkey gains EU membership, would you consider migrating to the UK?"

They might have said yes just because saying no might seem kind of rude -- "No, I would never consider moving to the UK."

Or as often is the plausible solution: the poll question is phrased as a >
'If you could relocate and live where wages are this _______ in England, would you?'
So of course any Rational human wanting to live the PIPE DREAM is going to say, YES; but the reality is not anywhere near that statistic!  IMO


But when the survey is printed up for the data and provided to the articles it's worded in quite a different manner altogether - pollsters are quite well versed at twisting the words to obtain the results that they want! Rolling Eyes

BTW - didn't LordFoul say something very similar to that Suspect - back when we were trashing Tommy about his homophobic thoughts and opinion about 'Foster Children' --- WOW, I do believe Sir Foul was quite adamant that any and all 'POLLS' that Tommy submitted were to be regarded as worthless; so WTH changed?  

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 8:21 pm

Plus... have a quick Google about how many immigrants head to Scotland or Wales!!!

Or Northern Ireland!!!



Only a very tiny proportion!!!


Vast majority head to London!!!

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 8:26 pm

eyup....did the chicken herder say something????


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Post by nicko on Sun May 22, 2016 8:27 pm

I called Ben an idiot because the only thing he knows about England is what he reads in the papers or sees on the TV, and because of this, along with others on here, they think they know better than those who actually live here. I wish they could come over and see for themselves whats happening to our country. I don't pretend to know all whats going on in your countries so why do you think you know it all about ours?
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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 8:35 pm

If we stay in the EU then we may as well never have bothered fighting WWII we may as well have stayed out of it...

what a waste.....

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun May 22, 2016 8:38 pm

nicko wrote:I called Ben an idiot because the only thing he knows about England is what he reads in the papers or sees on the TV,  and because of this,   along with others on here,  they think they know better than those who actually live here.  I wish they could come over and see for themselves whats happening to our country. I don't pretend to know all whats going on in your countries so why do you think you know it all about ours?


Yes... I was just going to say that too!



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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 8:42 pm

Lord Foul wrote:eyup....did the chicken herder say something????

How's your 'FOUL MOOD' today Suspect
And I went back to look at that thread that I'd mentioned:

Re: Magistrate sacked over views on adoption to same sex couples plans legal action
 by Tommy Monk on Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:31 pm
That was only a link to a site that was showing the details of the study... I doubt very much that any pro gay Web site would be showing much about it...
Why do you think that might be...!!!???
Bias maybe...!?
I was wrong in saying it had mentioned 'POLL' - Tommy had used a 'study/survey' and you were going 'ape shit' about the biased methods for those; sooooooo ergo the questions remain!

Why on earth are you placing so much emotional hype on this 'POLL'?

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 8:45 pm

so you dont know the difference between a "study" and a poll?

ok......I guess that explains a great deal....

hows the dietary supplement doing for you ?

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Post by Guest on Sun May 22, 2016 8:53 pm

Lord Foul wrote:so you dont know the difference between a "study"  and a poll?

ok......I guess that explains a great deal....

hows the dietary supplement doing for you ?

SWEET JESUS ...when it's easier to discuss topics with the ilk of Tommykins then the caustic BS you shove out here; it's as you prove ...easier to preach being the example then to have a back bone and BE THE EXAMPLE!  F U Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun May 22, 2016 9:06 pm

you reap what you sow miss acid tongue....


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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun May 22, 2016 11:13 pm

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nicko wrote:Ben you are an idiot,    there is no other word for it.

Your knowledge of our country is sadly lacking.

You live in fear and bitterness and it shapes your opinions. There's no way 12 million Turks are going to uproot and "invade" the UK, and the OP is actually really deceptive in that the headline says it will happen, while the story says that they "would consider" it. Hell, I've considered quitting my job and traveling the country in an RV, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.

When Poland entered the EU, their minimum wage was just one fifth of what they could earn in the UK. They face the same distance to travel and language barrier as the Turks, and yet the UK got a little over a half-million Poles between 2004 and 2010. The cultural barrier for Turks is even larger than the one faced by the Poles. So please, think about that before labeling me an idiot.

There are Polish shops popping up everywhere. More in some areas than Pakistani one's lol!
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"...There is an estimated 500,000 people of Turkish origin living in the United Kingdom..."


Already!!!



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Post by veya_victaous on Mon May 23, 2016 3:18 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:And what about the survey itself? If the participants were asked a question like:

"If Turkey gains EU membership, would you consider migrating to the UK?"

They might have said yes just because saying no might seem kind of rude -- "No, I would never consider moving to the UK."

Yeah i was going to say that 'considering' moving to the UK doesn't mean will move to the UK... they are probably considering half a dozen EU nations
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Post by veya_victaous on Mon May 23, 2016 3:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

"...There is an estimated 500,000 people of Turkish origin living in the United Kingdom..."


Already!!!



I find it amazing that you nation keeps such records. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

There is no official record of where you bloodline came from after from the 2nd generation on down here, and even then it is just that parents nation of birth are on your birth certificate.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2016 3:51 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:"...There is an estimated 500,000 people of Turkish origin living in the United Kingdom..."Already!!!
I find it amazing that you nation keeps such records. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

There is no official record of where you bloodline came from after from the 2nd generation on down here, and even then it is just that parents nation of birth are on your birth certificate.
You might have missed this marvelous little 'nugget' from earlier to day;

 by Tommy Monk Today at 2:15 pm

We already have loads of Turkish people here in uk...
They have managed to come here over decades and without being in eu with open door/free movement... shit loads more would turn up if they get the chance through eu open door to them...
One of my uncles is from Turkey and has been here for over 50 years!!!
So while he's lamenting and trying to bar the gates and keeps saying such really horrible things about immigrants - his own family tree has international flavor swing from his very own branches as well. 
And since we aren't hearing what a neardowells that Uncle is - we could surmise that the man has been able to build a life there in jolly ole' England and is a productive member of society! Suspect

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon May 23, 2016 4:39 am

Stormee wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

We have 4,000 living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area alone Smile

Did you not nick Texas from Mexico? Ben

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AND, NOT forgetting that the Spanish had taken those territories from the locals a couple of hundred years before that..

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon May 23, 2016 5:43 am

Stormee wrote:
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nicko wrote:I wish they would all move to Texas.

We have 4,000 living in the Dallas-Fort Worth area alone Smile

Did you not nick Texas from Mexico? Ben

Not personally, no. Basically, Europeans stole it from the indigenous people and then fought over it among themselves.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon May 23, 2016 5:45 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

"...There is an estimated 500,000 people of Turkish origin living in the United Kingdom..."


Already!!!



Already???!!! Good God, man, that's, what? One in every 130 people???!!!

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Post by nicko on Mon May 23, 2016 6:19 am

There are statistics somewhere that gives information on how many people per sq mtr a country has.

Any one know of it?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon May 23, 2016 8:03 am

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Stormee wrote:

Did you not nick Texas from Mexico? Ben

Not personally, no. Basically, Europeans stole it from the indigenous people and then fought over it among themselves.

Haha! When Veya accuses any Brit of stealing from other countries, and they say they didn't personally steal anything, he gets irate. Now you're saying the same thing, and you're also trying to blame Europeans. I'm sure he'll be along to pull you up. Laughing

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon May 23, 2016 9:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Stormee wrote:

Did you not nick Texas from Mexico? Ben

Not personally, no. Basically, Europeans stole it from the indigenous people and then fought over it among themselves.

Haha! When Veya accuses any Brit of stealing from other countries, and they say they didn't personally steal anything, he gets irate. Now you're saying the same thing, and you're also trying to blame Europeans. I'm sure he'll be along to pull you up. Laughing

Ben didn't steal it cause 'Europeans' did
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What Nation Stole it from the natives? Spain
what is Spain? European
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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon May 23, 2016 9:17 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Haha! When Veya accuses any Brit of stealing from other countries, and they say they didn't personally steal anything, he gets irate. Now you're saying the same thing, and you're also trying to blame Europeans. I'm sure he'll be along to pull you up. Laughing

Ben didn't steal it cause 'Europeans' did
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What Nation Stole it from the natives? Spain
what is Spain? European
Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool

Well he calls them "Europeans" obviously, but they're Americans aren't they? It's all a bit of a cop out on his part. You do the same thing. When it suits you, you go on about "Australians", but when you talk about who stole what, those Australians suddenly become Europeans.

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Post by Miffs2 on Mon May 23, 2016 9:18 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
nicko wrote:Ben you are an idiot,    there is no other word for it.

Your knowledge of our country is sadly lacking.

You live in fear and bitterness and it shapes your opinions. There's no way 12 million Turks are going to uproot and "invade" the UK, and the OP is actually really deceptive in that the headline says it will happen, while the story says that they "would consider" it. Hell, I've considered quitting my job and traveling the country in an RV, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.

When Poland entered the EU, their minimum wage was just one fifth of what they could earn in the UK. They face the same distance to travel and language barrier as the Turks, and yet the UK got a little over a half-million Poles between 2004 and 2010. The cultural barrier for Turks is even larger than the one faced by the Poles. So please, think about that before labeling me an idiot.
Fear and bitterness?! Have you heard of Donald Trump? You would be advised to keep a closer eye on what is happening in your own country my friend. Let the Brits decide what's best for the Brits
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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon May 23, 2016 9:20 am

Miffs2 wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

You live in fear and bitterness and it shapes your opinions. There's no way 12 million Turks are going to uproot and "invade" the UK, and the OP is actually really deceptive in that the headline says it will happen, while the story says that they "would consider" it. Hell, I've considered quitting my job and traveling the country in an RV, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.

When Poland entered the EU, their minimum wage was just one fifth of what they could earn in the UK. They face the same distance to travel and language barrier as the Turks, and yet the UK got a little over a half-million Poles between 2004 and 2010. The cultural barrier for Turks is even larger than the one faced by the Poles. So please, think about that before labeling me an idiot.
Fear and bitterness?! Have you heard of Donald Trump? You would be advised to keep a closer eye on what is happening in your own country my friend. Let the Brits decide what's best for the Brits

Yes. Ben and co are terrified that Donald Trump will become president and destroy the US overnight. Laughing

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon May 23, 2016 9:22 am

nicko wrote:There are statistics somewhere that gives information on how many people per sq mtr a country has.

Any one know of it?

http://statisticstimes.com/population/countries-by-population-density.php

You're 50th

Given Australia is in the 10 from the bottom

Which is why you should repatriate your old colonies and we can take more
and we are growing at triple the rate you are via immigration.

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Post by Miffs2 on Mon May 23, 2016 9:23 am

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Fear and bitterness?! Have you heard of Donald Trump? You would be advised to keep a closer eye on what is happening in your own country my friend. Let the Brits decide what's best for the Brits

Yes. Ben and co are terrified that Donald Trump will become president and destroy the US overnight. Laughing
I didn't dream that Trump said he would ban the Muslims did I ?
And they call the Brits bigots and racists!
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Post by veya_victaous on Mon May 23, 2016 9:30 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Haha! When Veya accuses any Brit of stealing from other countries, and they say they didn't personally steal anything, he gets irate. Now you're saying the same thing, and you're also trying to blame Europeans. I'm sure he'll be along to pull you up. Laughing

Ben didn't steal it cause 'Europeans' did
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What Nation Stole it from the natives? Spain
what is Spain? European
Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool

Well he calls them "Europeans" obviously, but they're Americans aren't they? It's all a bit of a cop out on his part. You do the same thing. When it suits you, you go on about "Australians", but when you talk about who stole what, those Australians suddenly become Europeans.

Not when it was stolen, most of the original Thieves in most cases went back to Europe that was the goal of the European to find fresh lands to rape and pillage then bring the spoils back to Europe then Profit.

The decision to steal the lands came out of Europe, its not for 100+ years that the people that are left in the colonies start to really think of themselves as separate and form their own gov't and identities.

And Mass Immigration for the past 60 years, Most people I refer to as Australian families may have only got here in the last generation or 2.

This is British colonists



This is Australians

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon May 23, 2016 9:33 am

Miffs2 wrote:.
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. Ben and co are terrified that Donald Trump will become president and destroy the US overnight. Laughing
I didn't dream that Trump said he would ban the Muslims did I ?
And they call the Brits bigots and racists!

Yes, and he seems to have a fair bit of support.

Mind you, he's not actually going to do it if he becomes President is he? Ben and co are just over-reacting.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon May 23, 2016 2:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:.
Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes. Ben and co are terrified that Donald Trump will become president and destroy the US overnight. Laughing
I didn't dream that Trump said he would ban the Muslims did I ?
And they call the Brits bigots and racists!

Yes, and he seems to have a fair bit of support.

Mind you, he's not actually going to do it if he becomes President is he? Ben and co are just over-reacting.

Of course he's not, and I've addressed that in other threads. And I don't say Brits are racist, I say most of the ones here are.

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