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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 1:21 am

'kill or exile' she wanted them removed from the Physical Country as opposed to the idea removed from the group
I know you are not smart enough to follow so don't bother.
And just like YOU do to other posters too

NOW go and address Ben's points
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Post by Guest on Thu May 12, 2016 1:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:'kill or exile' she wanted them removed from the Physical Country as opposed to the idea removed from the group
I know you are not smart enough to follow so don't bother.
And just like YOU do to other posters too

NOW go and address Ben's points


Again your words, not hers, as again read what she said, as she first asked a question



\"Raggamuffin wrote:"Why is it up to moderate Muslims to remove the cowardly extremists? If you mean in other countries which have Muslim Governments, fair enough, but we don't have a Muslim Government, so Muslims have no power to remove anyone from this country at least.

In fact it was you that stated to remove extremists and hence her question back to you


veya_victaous wrote:good for the goose good for the gander. since we want the moderate Muslim to remove the cowardly extermists from among them, We must set the example by doing them same and removing the cowardly extermists from the west.

Like I have siad many times, I am all for denying any extremists immigrants, whether political or religious from being able to stay in this country

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 1:35 am

So you think Muslims will Listen to YOU?
No they wont .. (and this seem to be contiunally lost on you)
they may listen and be convinced by Moderate Muslims and that would remove the extermists idealogy at the source.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 12, 2016 1:38 am

veya_victaous wrote:So you think Muslims will Listen to YOU?
No they wont .. (and this seem to be contiunally lost on you)
they may listen and be convinced by Moderate Muslims and that would remove the extermists idealogy at the source.  


You have just done it again.
Where did I make any claim on Muslims listening?
There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim
You have followers of different sects of islam and those who are either literal believers of these doctrines or they are not literal believers.
Thus the concept is misleading.
I mean do you use the concept to describe Christians, as moderate Christians?

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 1:45 am

yes a moderate Christian is like Rags and fundie is like HF or VOD  Suspect

YES there is moderate Muslims too.
I have dated some,
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Post by Guest on Thu May 12, 2016 1:54 am

veya_victaous wrote:yes a moderate Christian is like Rags and fundie is like HF or VOD  Suspect

YES there is moderate Muslims too.
I have dated some,
Another One just won the Gold Logie as Australia Most popular TV personality of the year


Again there is no such thing.
You either follow a doctrine, like Catholocism and are a literal believer or you are not a literal believer.
Vod and Dibs are born again Christians, and are also literal believers
So there is no such thing as moderates

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Post by Guest on Thu May 12, 2016 2:01 am

Have a read veya.



I first started calling myself a “moderate Muslim” in 1989 in the aftermath of the Salman Rushdie affair. Watching bearded men in Bradford burning copies of The Satanic Verses I wanted to signal that I was not like them, that I believed in free speech and tolerance and being reasonable and civil, and that I did not see a contradiction in living within the value structures and laws of this country and being Muslim.

The claim that most Muslims are moderate is rarely challenged, which is why I have spent the last month travelling around the country talking to ordinary Muslims about the word. I anticipated disagreement on what defined moderate; what I did not expect was universal hostility to the very phrase and yet everywhere I went the message was the same: don’t call us moderate.

“I see it as a criticism,” one woman in Luton told me. “You are giving me this label based on how I look and how I dress.” Her male friend said he found the word “offensive”, adding: “Are you saying I’m only 50% Muslim? When someone says to me ‘you’re moderate’ it suggests to me they’re saying ‘you’re not fully Muslim’.”

It was surprising to find a term that I had always assumed was favourable and benign being so roundly condemned

The men and women I met told me they found it infuriating that they could be devout in their practice of their religion but they would only be considered “moderate” Muslims – since moderate was often taken to mean not hugely observant. Meanwhile those who had committed appalling acts of terror – and who were often far from religious in their earlier lives – would immediately be considered “real” or “full” Muslims. It was surprising to find a term that I had always assumed was favourable and benign being so roundly condemned. It may once have been useful but the phrase is no longer fit for purpose.

This is about more than politeness and semantics. The language matters because if ordinary Muslims feel they are being divided into camps, into “good” (moderates) and “bad” (non-moderates) then any statements made by politicians will be heard with great scepticism, especially if for many Muslims “moderate” has come somehow to mean more secular.

The other danger is that if politicians merely assume that most Muslims have views that are moderate they may be blinding themselves to the scale of the challenge they face. A recent BBC survey of 1,000 British Muslims revealed that while 95% said they felt a loyalty to Britain and the vast majority had no sympathy for the perpetrators of the Paris attacks, 27% did have some sympathy for the motivations behind the Paris attacks and 45% said clerics preaching violence against the west could be justified as being in touch with mainstream Muslim opinion.

The men and women I met were uniformly horrified by the atrocities perpetrated by Islamic State and rather insulted when asked if they could shed any light on why anyone from this country would wish to travel to Syria. They disputed the suggestion that their Islam had anything in common with the ideology of the jihadis.

But if by being moderate we mean believing in freedom of expression and an acceptance of equality in gender and sexuality, it is by no means certain that the majority of Muslims are moderate, as the word is commonly used. One young student in Leicester told me that unlike many of his fellow Muslims he would shake a woman’s hand. He still believed in gender segregation at public events but his stance on handshaking meant he defined himself as a moderate.

While everyone I talked to would begin by firmly stating how all Muslims they knew were tolerant and how Islam was about moderation, when I asked how others in their communities in Luton, Bradford and Leicester would react if a loved one told them, for example, that they were gay, or where they stood on the idea of free mixing between the sexes, it quickly became apparent that they held views that many would not consider moderate at all.
Farage’s Muslim ‘fifth column’ remarks must not go unchallenged
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In trying to encourage more Muslims towards modernity the mistake is to assume that moderation equates to liberalism. The implication in the term “moderate Muslim” is someone who is not especially devout. But being devout is not antithetical to being moderate. That is why it is so important to make a distinction between being moderate, conservative and religious. Many of the people I talked to considered themselves devout Muslims but told me they believed Islam was intrinsically moderate.

To assume most Muslims are moderate is to imagine that progress is inevitable but if we want the next generation of Muslims to have values we associate with being moderate, we need to be prepared to make an argument for a progressive Islam. That is not possible if politicians employ terms many Muslims find alienating.

The distinction is not between those who are moderate and those who are dangerous extremists. It is between those who continue to insist that Islam can somehow be disentangled from culture, geography and history – on issues such as female dress, gender mixing and homosexuality for example – and those who recognise that Islam has always adapted and incorporated the specific culture of the country where it is practised. These are not lesser Muslims so rather than using “moderate”, let us call those who follow an Islam that is open-minded, liberal and tolerant what they actually are: British Muslims.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/16/moderate-Muslim-devout-liberal-religion

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 2:21 am

for many Muslims “moderate” has come somehow to mean more secular.
and the fact they have a problem SHOWS how badly ther UK and Europe is failing,
Cause Guess what a bunch of fundie Muslims said that to waleed aly and he SAID "YEAH THAT'S RIGHT" you are 100% correct i am MORE SECULAR.
I could engage in your divisive unforgiving religon or i could be part of a society that values and rewards my contrabution.

So YES we do have SECULAR Muslims that have to be moderate in order to be secular and say the vote is more important than the koran.

In his 2007 book People Like Us, Aly had used a 2005 ABC interview with Mr Doureihi to criticise how some Muslim spokespeople would rather “err on the side of aggression and pride than be apologetic” — which he described as “humiliated arrogance”.

On Facebook, Mr Doureihi wrote that Aly represented a ­notion of a “good Muslim”, having secular, democratic views rather than an aim to establish an Islamic caliphate.

“Soon enough these personalities start to look down upon the very people they originally sought to assist,” he wrote. “Faced with a choice of engaging a fractured and sometimes unforgiving (Muslim) community, or engaging government and civil society who ostensibly value your input and reward you manifestly, the choice soon becomes too difficult to ignore.”
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 6:37 am

veya_victaous wrote:yes a moderate Christian is like Rags and fundie is like HF or VOD  Suspect

YES there is moderate Muslims too.
I have dated some,
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Do not speak for me - you know nothing about me.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 6:47 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why is it up to moderate Muslims to remove the cowardly extremists? If you mean in other countries which have Muslim Governments, fair enough, but we don't have a Muslim Government, so Muslims have no power to remove anyone from this country at least.

And thus Raggs proves that her mentaility is the problem
Straight away trying to kill or exile people

It's an idea so to do it you EDUCATE! but typical RW style only hate all your policies always come down to hate.

THEN why Do you whinge that Muslims are not vocal enough in condeming terrorists?


You just want a war, you want extermists, obviously cause All you do is encourage Extermism with you every action and opinon BOTH British Extermists, Like Stormee and Tommy, and Muslim Extemrists through ignorant hate mongering.




What the fuck are you blathering on about? You appear to have completely misunderstood my post. I'll explain it once more in words which you might actually understand.

I have not said Muslims are not vocal enough in their condemnation. I said it's not up to them to remove extremists.

It's not possible for Muslims to remove extremists from this country because they are not in a position to do so. That is up to the Government, not Muslims. Do I think that extremist murdering bastards should be exiled from this country? Yes I do - deal with it. If you think that equates to "hate", so be it.

You think you can "educate" extremists or terrorists to change their ways? You show your naivety every day on here.

Do you know what? You make me sick with your arrogance, your opinion that you're better than me because you're Australian, and your stupidity. You can't even read my posts properly.
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Re: East - West

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 6:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:'kill or exile' she wanted them removed from the Physical Country as opposed to the idea removed from the group
I know you are not smart enough to follow so don't bother.
And just like YOU do to other posters too

NOW go and address Ben's points

You're the one who's not smart enough to follow what I actually said. At least Didge didn't invent a whole post like you just did.
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 6:55 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why is it up to moderate Muslims to remove the cowardly extremists? If you mean in other countries which have Muslim Governments, fair enough, but we don't have a Muslim Government, so Muslims have no power to remove anyone from this country at least.

And thus Raggs proves that her mentaility is the problem
Straight away trying to kill or exile people

It's an idea so to do it you EDUCATE! but typical RW style only hate all your policies always come down to hate.

THEN why Do you whinge that Muslims are not vocal enough in condeming terrorists?


You just want a war, you want extermists, obviously cause All you do is encourage Extermism with you every action and opinon BOTH British Extermists, Like Stormee and Tommy, and Muslim Extemrists through ignorant hate mongering.




What the fuck are you blathering on about? You appear to have completely misunderstood my post. I'll explain it once more in words which you might actually understand.

I have not said Muslims are not vocal enough in their condemnation. I said it's not up to them to remove extremists.

It's not possible for Muslims to remove extremists from this country because they are not in a position to do so. That is up to the Government, not Muslims. Do I think that extremist murdering bastards should be exiled from this country? Yes I do - deal with it. If you think that equates to "hate", so be it.

You think you can "educate" extremists or terrorists to change their ways? You show your naivety every day on here.

Do you know what? You make me sick with your arrogance, your opinion that you're better than me because you're Australian, and your stupidity. You can't even read my posts properly.

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 7:07 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What the fuck are you blathering on about? You appear to have completely misunderstood my post. I'll explain it once more in words which you might actually understand.

I have not said Muslims are not vocal enough in their condemnation. I said it's not up to them to remove extremists.

It's not possible for Muslims to remove extremists from this country because they are not in a position to do so. That is up to the Government, not Muslims. Do I think that extremist murdering bastards should be exiled from this country? Yes I do - deal with it. If you think that equates to "hate", so be it.

You think you can "educate" extremists or terrorists to change their ways? You show your naivety every day on here.

Do you know what? You make me sick with your arrogance, your opinion that you're better than me because you're Australian, and your stupidity. You can't even read my posts properly.

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

So you think that the UK is unsuccessful, so what? Do you think I care what some moronic Aussie thinks about my country? Your desire to be British is making you insane, but get over it because it will never happen Veya.

I really think you should take a break - you've invented another thing which I didn't say. I didn't say I was an extremist, I told you not to speak for me, and I never mentioned abortion clinics or mosques.
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Post by nicko on Thu May 12, 2016 9:50 am

All mouth and no trousers!
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 9:52 am

nicko wrote:All mouth and no trousers!

Perhaps he'd like to smack me in the face too - the "big man" that he is.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu May 12, 2016 4:56 pm

veya_victaous wrote:

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

Really? Australia has one of the world's worst opiate and cannabis drugs problem, including problem with Aboriginal incarceration, bad treatment of immigrants, 45% of your disabled live below the breadline, a ban on same sex marriage, a hundred native species of your fauna are under threat of extinction. The list goes on.

How do you define a 'successful' nation exactly?
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu May 12, 2016 4:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
nicko wrote:All mouth and no trousers!

Perhaps he'd like to smack me in the face too - the "big man" that he is.

More likely some weedy twerp sweating in his underpants and swigging a Fosters.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu May 12, 2016 4:59 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What the fuck are you blathering on about? You appear to have completely misunderstood my post. I'll explain it once more in words which you might actually understand.

I have not said Muslims are not vocal enough in their condemnation. I said it's not up to them to remove extremists.

It's not possible for Muslims to remove extremists from this country because they are not in a position to do so. That is up to the Government, not Muslims. Do I think that extremist murdering bastards should be exiled from this country? Yes I do - deal with it. If you think that equates to "hate", so be it.

You think you can "educate" extremists or terrorists to change their ways? You show your naivety every day on here.

Do you know what? You make me sick with your arrogance, your opinion that you're better than me because you're Australian, and your stupidity. You can't even read my posts properly.

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

Oh dear....
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Post by nicko on Thu May 12, 2016 6:25 pm

Successful Nation? Barmen and Bondi Beach crack heads.


You do make i laugh.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 6:28 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

Oh dear....

It is a bit isn't it?
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu May 12, 2016 6:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Oh dear....

It is a bit isn't it?

I think my use of the C word kind of pales into insignificance under this mighty tirade! So much hate and anger.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu May 12, 2016 6:40 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It is a bit isn't it?

I think my use of the C word kind of pales into insignificance under this mighty tirade!  So much hate and anger.  

Yes, and that's from a "moderate" Aussie. So much for their happy lifestyle.
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 11:24 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

Really?   Australia has one of the world's worst opiate and cannabis drugs problem, including problem with Aboriginal incarceration,  bad treatment of immigrants, 45% of your disabled live below the breadline,  a ban on same sex marriage, a hundred native species of your fauna are under threat of extinction. The list goes on.

How do you define a 'successful' nation exactly?

drugs aren't a problem defeintly not cannabis as that is soically acceptable here and heron is so passae
(there is the meth problem like the USA)
Aborignal incarecation? compared to every other nation trying to recover a native peopels so throughly raped by the british we aren't doing that bad. You know we could do better if the people that stole the fucking resources paid some Reparations!!!!!

As explained we dont have same sex marraige because we have De factos relationships that make marriage pointless. Exactly Why my rant exist WE DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR SHITTY TRADITIONS OR FAILED METHODS. Stick the Institution of Marrigae up your ass.

we still have native animals!!! You pretty much Wiped them all out centuries ago with your 'superiour' Britsh Culture that other peoples that had lived in harmony with their surrounding Should be oh so fucking grateful for REMEMEBR!!!!

Our Disabled are still better off than yours, So that shoots yourself in the foot Rolling Eyes
https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/disability-support-pension
minimum wage only gets you $650 and the disablity pension is $AU794 a week
it is only €330 "The weekly rate of pay is €197.80 with extra rates of €131.30" which is only $AU512.


SO Yes By Comparision to other nations, Particularly the UK we are Super successful.
Again Maybe if Brits Pulled their heads out of the Eurocentric asses You would see where the rest of the world is at and realise how many of are now ABOVE YOU.
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu May 12, 2016 11:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

What the fuck are you blathering on about? You appear to have completely misunderstood my post. I'll explain it once more in words which you might actually understand.

I have not said Muslims are not vocal enough in their condemnation. I said it's not up to them to remove extremists.

It's not possible for Muslims to remove extremists from this country because they are not in a position to do so. That is up to the Government, not Muslims. Do I think that extremist murdering bastards should be exiled from this country? Yes I do - deal with it. If you think that equates to "hate", so be it.

You think you can "educate" extremists or terrorists to change their ways? You show your naivety every day on here.

Do you know what? You make me sick with your arrogance, your opinion that you're better than me because you're Australian, and your stupidity. You can't even read my posts properly.

Cause I live in a Successful nation, Unlike YOU !!!

So Like DIDGE, you can stick you 'no moderates' UP YOUR FUCKIGN ASS cause there is no moderates in the UK OF ANY RACE OR COLOUR apparently you are Exterme failures, Useless Ultra naitonalists.

It is not Muslism part of BRITISH MULSIM that makes than dimwitted twats.

And to prove you are a dim witted twat rags, you just said you WERE and EXTEREMIST CHRISTAIN.... planning of blowing up and abortion clinic are YOU!!!! gonna shoot up a mosque?

So you think that the UK is unsuccessful, so what? Do you think I care what some moronic Aussie thinks about my country? Your desire to be British is making you insane, but get over it because it will never happen Veya.

I really think you should take a break - you've invented another thing which I didn't say. I didn't say I was an extremist, I told you not to speak for me, and I never mentioned abortion clinics or mosques.

IF your not a moderate YOUR AN EXTERMIST
Your opinon of if your are or not DOESNT FUCKING MATTER
Just like it doesn't matter if the ISIS dude thinks he is an Exermist

I don't want to be british I want the British TO ethier PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!
You think your good PROVE IT pay back reparation GIVE IT ALL BACK And then IF you are intristically so good you will get back to where you are now no problems. BUT your NOT your Intristically Theivies and you only got to where you are now sliding down from through rape pillage and murder. SO stop pretending anyone should consider you anything but barbaric!
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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu May 12, 2016 11:40 pm

Abbos never do any rape or crime of course...


They would all still be sitting in bushes picking dingle berries from their arses if left to themselves...



Stole the resources...!?


They would never know there were any resources if it wasn't for others!!!


And certainly wouldn't have the first clue about what to do with any of it to improve their lives beyond primitive...!!!




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Post by veya_victaous on Fri May 13, 2016 2:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Abbos never do any rape or crime of course...


They would all still be sitting in bushes picking dingle berries from their arses if left to themselves...



Stole the resources...!?


They would never know there were any resources if it wasn't for others!!!


And certainly wouldn't have the first clue about what to do with any of it to improve their lives beyond primitive...!!!





And MY PROOF that everything i said was justified.
And That is the exact reason I say We should just take over britian in the say way you took over other places!

NOW the shoe is on the other foot and the Australians is FAR more advanced to the point we look at the primitive racist behaviour of the tiny Island that thinks it's a proper nation and think "well they are just Primitive Hill Shepherds"... If that was enough to Justify YOUR rape and pillage of a Others than Surely it is enough to justify someone else coming and taking over you.
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 5:59 am

Veya, why DO you hate us so much? Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder? What have i, or any one in Britain done to you for you to have so much hate for us?
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Post by veya_victaous on Fri May 13, 2016 6:22 am

nicko wrote:Veya,     why DO you hate us so much?   Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?     What have i, or any one in Britain done to you for you to have so much hate for us?


Nicko you seem to miss that Most of You post stuff that Puts EVERYONE Else down.
Maybe I am sick of the people that come in 18th telling me their nation is the best. Clearly it isn't.
With 100% honesty I have never really had an issue with Brits it has always been teasing in jest....
Until this site and the posters i have encountered here.


And Why not ASK WHY do you lot HATE the Aboriginals so much? that After ALL they have suffered you still think it is appropriate to attack and belittle the culture that is literally dying, that is relying on white Aussie to keep it alive, because the Damage done historically by whites is so severe. they literally never did anything but be hurt by your nation.
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Post by Guest on Fri May 13, 2016 6:22 am

nicko wrote:Veya,     why DO you hate us so much?   Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?     What have i, or any one in Britain done to you for you to have so much hate for us?


Mainly as he suffers from "white guilt". It is a hedious virus, that effects the minds of people to then blame people living today who had nothing to do with the past.
We may well have benefitted from the past but these same people are the ones who every here give countless money through charities to help nations that are in plight. This of course is blatantly ignored. You learn from mistakes from the past, but you never live in regret to something you never did, but to ensure it does not happen today. Sadly this virus makes some of the left think "white people" should for ever for be guilty, for things they have not done, or even to things their Governements have done. I mean millions can march in this country in protest at the Iraq war is irrelevant to them, as they are no better than racists and they are so utterly prejudice.

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Post by Guest on Fri May 13, 2016 6:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Veya,     why DO you hate us so much?   Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?     What have i, or any one in Britain done to you for you to have so much hate for us?


Nicko you seem to miss that Most of You post stuff that Puts EVERYONE Else down.
Maybe I am sick of the people that come in 18th telling me their nation is the best. Clearly it isn't.  
With 100% honesty I have never really had an issue with Brits it has always been teasing in jest....
Until this site and the posters i have encountered here.


And Why not ASK WHY do you lot HATE the Aboriginals so much? that After ALL they have suffered you still think it is appropriate to attack and belittle the culture that is literally dying, that is relying on white Aussie to keep it alive, because the Damage done historically by whites is so severe. they literally never did anything but be hurt by your nation.


You see more inventions, as where has anybody says they hate the aboriginies?
I constantly back those who want self determination, which you argue against, which is utterly wrong as you have no right to say so as you are one person and do not speak for them all.
Anyway you seem to be on some hate fest, and that is dull to even attempt to reason with you, as hate achieves very little.
So enjoy being angry, its only going to effect your health, which is very stupid and maybe you will think about that first and foremost, as nobody wishes to see you become ill. I suggest you take a deep breath and relax.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri May 13, 2016 6:39 am

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veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Veya,     why DO you hate us so much?   Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?     What have i, or any one in Britain done to you for you to have so much hate for us?


Nicko you seem to miss that Most of You post stuff that Puts EVERYONE Else down.
Maybe I am sick of the people that come in 18th telling me their nation is the best. Clearly it isn't.  
With 100% honesty I have never really had an issue with Brits it has always been teasing in jest....
Until this site and the posters i have encountered here.


And Why not ASK WHY do you lot HATE the Aboriginals so much? that After ALL they have suffered you still think it is appropriate to attack and belittle the culture that is literally dying, that is relying on white Aussie to keep it alive, because the Damage done historically by whites is so severe. they literally never did anything but be hurt by your nation.


You see more inventions, as where has anybody says they hate the aboriginies?
I constantly back those who want self determination, which you argue against, which is utterly wrong as you have no right to say so as you are one person and do not speak for them all.
Anyway you seem to be on some hate fest, and that is dull to even attempt to reason with you, as hate achieves very little.
So enjoy being angry, its only going to effect your health, which is very stupid and maybe you will think about that first and foremost, as nobody wishes to see you become ill. I suggest you take a deep breath and relax.

tommy last post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see you have gone off line quickly Did you Just Notice th CRAP posted by Tommy?

And Didge Do not start with you Eurocentric idea of self determination it just higlights that You are Part of the Problem trying to divide people, I consider YOU the exact same as the polish or spainiard YOU ARE ALL Europeans SO
How about you go fuck youself and Stop telling My countrymen, MY fellow Citizens, that they are not! Cause they are.
WE ARE ALL AUSSIES NOW!!!!
the fucked up idea that some of you brits have about the 'requirments to be british' are arcahic hillsheperd shit from the 1800's! welcome to the 21st century
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 6:59 am

Who said they hate the Abo's then? I certainly didn't.

Your knickers seem to be in a twist!
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 7:35 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So you think that the UK is unsuccessful, so what? Do you think I care what some moronic Aussie thinks about my country? Your desire to be British is making you insane, but get over it because it will never happen Veya.

I really think you should take a break - you've invented another thing which I didn't say. I didn't say I was an extremist, I told you not to speak for me, and I never mentioned abortion clinics or mosques.

IF your not a moderate YOUR AN EXTERMIST
Your opinon of if your are or not DOESNT FUCKING MATTER
Just like it doesn't matter if the ISIS dude thinks he is an Exermist

I don't want to be british I want the British TO ethier PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!
You think your good PROVE IT pay back reparation GIVE IT ALL BACK And then IF you are intristically so good you will get back to where you are now no problems. BUT your NOT your Intristically Theivies and you only got to where you are now sliding down from through rape pillage and murder. SO stop pretending anyone should consider you anything but barbaric!

Where did I say I wasn't moderate? Oh that's right, I didn't. You told someone else I was moderate, and I told you not to speak for me. You don't get to sit here slating me left, right and centre and then start telling people what you think I am.

If you want to think I'm an extremist Christian, go right ahead - it will actually amuse me to see you ranting and raving about it.

I don't owe anyone anything, and neither do my fellow Brits. If you want to feel guilty about what your fellow citizens did, you go right ahead and donate your car and your vast salary which you keep boasting about.
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 8:41 am

Have to laugh at Veya, he thinks his opinions are so important to this forum he has to express himself in shouty capitals. When in fact he is just an irritating scab on the arse of an Elephant!
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 8:52 am

nicko wrote:Have to laugh at Veya,  he thinks his opinions are so important to this forum he has to express himself in shouty capitals.  When in fact he is just an irritating scab on the arse of an Elephant!

He thinks I got where am I by raping and pillaging. I don't recall doing that, but maybe I was sleep walking at the time. lol!
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 8:56 am

If his great grandad hadn't been such a villian he'd still be British!
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 8:59 am

nicko wrote:If his great grandad hadn't been such a villian he'd still be British!

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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri May 13, 2016 10:43 am

veya_victaous wrote:
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Really?   Australia has one of the world's worst opiate and cannabis drugs problem, including problem with Aboriginal incarceration,  bad treatment of immigrants, 45% of your disabled live below the breadline,  a ban on same sex marriage, a hundred native species of your fauna are under threat of extinction. The list goes on.

How do you define a 'successful' nation exactly?

drugs aren't a problem defeintly not cannabis as that is soically acceptable here and heron is so passae
(there is the meth problem like the USA)
Aborignal incarecation? compared to every other nation trying to recover a native peopels so throughly raped by the british we aren't doing that bad. You know we could do better if the people that stole the fucking resources paid some Reparations!!!!!

As explained we dont have same sex marraige because we have De factos relationships that make marriage pointless. Exactly Why my rant exist WE DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR SHITTY TRADITIONS OR FAILED METHODS. Stick the Institution of Marrigae up your ass.

we still have native animals!!! You pretty much Wiped them all out centuries ago with your 'superiour' Britsh Culture that other peoples that had lived in harmony with their surrounding Should be oh so fucking grateful for REMEMEBR!!!!

Our Disabled are still better off than yours, So that shoots yourself in the foot  Rolling Eyes
https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/disability-support-pension
minimum wage only gets you $650 and the disablity pension is $AU794 a week
it is only €330 "The weekly rate of pay is €197.80 with extra rates of €131.30" which is only $AU512.


SO Yes By Comparision to other nations, Particularly the UK we are Super successful.
Again Maybe if Brits Pulled their heads out of the Eurocentric asses You would see where the rest of the world is at and realise how many of are now ABOVE YOU.

You still have our Queen as your Queen. Does that rankle?
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 11:23 am

He's getting upset again, you can tell by the capitals,


Iwonder if he takes pills to calm him down?


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Post by sassy on Fri May 13, 2016 11:28 am

Funny, last night Vic was having a go at 4Ever and telling her to address the post not the poster Rolling Eyes
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 11:29 am

sassy wrote:Funny, last night Vic was having a go at 4Ever and telling her to address the post not the poster Rolling Eyes

You mean like Veya does - not? Laughing
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Post by nicko on Fri May 13, 2016 11:39 am

Have a go at the post, not the poster! Tell Veya that, he seems to have forgoten.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 11:40 am

Veya could have his own "the best of Veya thread", and it would be full of abuse towards individual members. Laughing
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Post by eddie on Fri May 13, 2016 3:29 pm

Well this thread is going swimmingly. Rolling Eyes
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri May 13, 2016 3:51 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Veya could have his own "the best of Veya thread", and it would be full of abuse towards individual members. Laughing


Laughing

GIVE serial offender Tommy Monk his own abuse thread, and he will outdo the rest of us combined,  hands down  !!!

WITH Stormee himself a distant second..
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Post by Lord Foul on Fri May 13, 2016 4:16 pm

I suggest YOU wind your neck in too wolfie....

once again you have spent more time handing out abuse than actually debating ANY points.....

as said above aside from retaliation (which i have already said I dont particularly approve of but DO understand) I havnt seen Tommy handing out very much in the way of gratuitous abuse
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Post by Lord Foul on Fri May 13, 2016 4:20 pm

sassy wrote:Funny, last night Vic was having a go at 4Ever and telling her to address the post not the poster Rolling Eyes

Funny how you FAIL to see the difference between retaliation and instigation

oh ....right its that lefty quantum thinking again isnt it...


Its alright for the lefty to abuse but not OK for someone to retaliate....


dont worry...i totally understand....sadly theres no cure...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post by eddie on Fri May 13, 2016 4:30 pm

It's always the same people being told.

And if anyone is wondering, I am ignored or argued with whenever I moderate so I deliberately took a step back (agreed by Vic too) to see what would happen if he stepped in and I stepped back.

Know what I found out?

Most people, women more so, are better at being "told" by men.
It's been a real eye-opener.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri May 13, 2016 4:38 pm

eddie wrote:It's always the same people being told.

And if anyone is wondering, I am ignored or argued with whenever I moderate so I deliberately took a step back (agreed by Vic too) to see what would happen if he stepped in and I stepped back.

Know what I found out?

Most people, women more so, are better at being "told" by men.
It's been a real eye-opener.


Oh I don't know. It's just that FoulMod is sooooo fierce. Laughing

When I was on the Mirror forum there was a mod who could actually reduce me to silence - I think it was a bloke. Laughing
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Post by eddie on Fri May 13, 2016 5:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:It's always the same people being told.

And if anyone is wondering, I am ignored or argued with whenever I moderate so I deliberately took a step back (agreed by Vic too) to see what would happen if he stepped in and I stepped back.

Know what I found out?

Most people, women more so, are better at being "told" by men.
It's been a real eye-opener.


Oh I don't know. It's just that FoulMod is sooooo fierce. Laughing

When I was on the Mirror forum there was a mod who could actually reduce me to silence - I think it was a bloke. Laughing

Veya and Vic are less laid back than Ben and I, I guess.
I don't get riled up and also, people forget, we don't all read every single thread or post.

And furthermore, you have no idea how many people moan and whine about others' rudeness but are just as rude!



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