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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:48 pm

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On U.S. public radio, and I'm paraphrasing:

"White privilege refers to any unearned advantages that white people enjoy as the result of racist legacies. It doesn't mean if you're white and you have these privileges, you're a racist or you did something wrong. It means that because of a legacy of racism, you have advantages that other people don't have because of your skin color."
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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It will be dependent on wages, how much a community can input into the tax systems, so that point is vital.
So did you ask also what wages they are given in that area, because I bet you there is a big disparity on that was well in some areas?

Low income applies to white people as well though, so they are likely to buy a house in a cheaper area and be subject to less local spending on schooling. According to Ben, they are still at an advantage because they're white though.

Zero evidence to back up

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Local taxes?
Again the same will apply if they are within the same money threshold, again if one are gets more funds over the other, that ceases to be any form of benefit, when people wil struggle to pay that tax in the first place.
I fail to see how any of what you are saying is a benefit.

Ben said that schools are paid for by local property taxes.

public school districts are funded by local property taxes, which are generated at far greater amounts in wealthy communities than they are in poor communities.

The idea is that those who buy houses in cheaper areas pay less in local property taxes, and therefore, less money is spent on schools. However, if they choose to buy a house in a cheaper area, they save money on the mortgage and they pay less in tax, so isn't it their own choice?

I'm still checking if schools are funded solely from local property taxes actually, but I'm just going on what Ben said at the moment.


Zero evidence again

Not having a go by showing that you have nothing to back your claims Rags

Do you want me to post up more?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:32 pm

If you really think that white people are never on low wages, that's your problem. The second point was based on what Ben said. I was referring to what Ben said, and it's fuck all to do with "evidence". If you have an issue with what he said, take it up with him.

Tbh, I shouldn't have replied to you at all. I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt - the triumph of hope over experience I guess.
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If you really think that white people are never on low wages, that's your problem. The second point was based on what Ben said. I was referring to what Ben said, and it's fuck all to do with "evidence". If you have an issue with what he said, take it up with him.

Tbh, I shouldn't have replied to you at all. I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt - the triumph of hope over experience I guess.


Never claimed anything of the sort, in fact many whites are on low incomes.
You are deflecting further off your points.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:34 pm

I'm not interested Didge. I can see the usual problem arising with you, and I'm going to avoid it. Knock yourself out.
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm not interested Didge. I can see the usual problem arising with you, and I'm going to avoid it. Knock yourself out.


There no issue, I just would have rather you backed up your claims and points

No problem then

Thanks for the discussion

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:So if people in a particular area paying more in local taxes than people in another area, isn't it fair that they get more for what they're paying?

I agree with that up to a point, the point being that children have no say over where they're born or who their parents are.

We can't make the argument that everyone has the same chance to succeed when they don't get the same quality education.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:56 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So if people in a particular area paying more in local taxes than people in another area, isn't it fair that they get more for what they're paying?

I agree with that up to a point, the point being that children have no say over where they're born or who their parents are.

We can't make the argument that everyone has the same chance to succeed when they don't get the same quality education.

So is there a case for removing school funding from local control and making it national? If you simply add public money in areas where people pay less property taxes, those in areas where they pay more will probably just complain. Those who have more expenses houses aren't necessarily better off IMO - unless they're living in huge mansions of course.
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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So if people in a particular area paying more in local taxes than people in another area, isn't it fair that they get more for what they're paying?

I agree with that up to a point, the point being that children have no say over where they're born or who their parents are.

We can't make the argument that everyone has the same chance to succeed when they don't get the same quality education.

So is there a case for removing school funding from local control and making it national? If you simply add public money in areas where people pay less property taxes, those in areas where they pay more will probably just complain. Those who have more expenses houses aren't necessarily better off IMO - unless they're living in huge mansions of course.

Again, it's not about the taxpayers, it's about their children. I would favor a state-level "Robin Hood" plan in which money is pooled and distributed as evenly as possible.

Rich kids already have countless educational advantages. The government shouldn't be institutionalizing even more advantages for them while failing the poor.
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:02 pm

didge wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Why do you care whether the "forum joke" answers you or not? Have you stooped that low?


Because Ben its simple, you only care about certain discrimination

And its based on a darker shade ratio

That is what is troubling and we are seeing the effects of white guilt by leftists in Europe. Now Europe has been miles and leaps forward thinking than the US for the last few decades, but the left when in power, have over compensated for prejudice to minorities. To now see poorer whites suffer, but you do not care about that. You will only do so in a couple of decades when you see the same happen within the states. That is how many years behind the US is behind Europe. There is still problems for minorities in this country with prejudice and discrimination, in the judicial system, for example. Of which I all the time on speak out on, but the moment people show where problems are now coming up with the poorer whites, we see the worst hypocrisy ever from you. 

You go off suffering poverty as a child, using some sob story, sorry but I do not need to go on about on this topic. The fact I grew up in severe poverty. I strove like everyone else in my family to do well, even though society disadvantaged me, being of the lowest class and discriminated against. You forget I am off immigrant parents also, at a time when the Irish were treated with disdain and prejudice. So do not dare pull that bullshit with me as you have never suffered discrimination like I did growing up. Its about wanting to succeed, even when disadvantaged, which nothing is stopping any of us from doing. So don't dare play the victim card to me about poverty. Even you have succeeded with journalism and why? With hard work, just like everyone has the opportunity to do when disadvantaged, but the difference between us is this. You do not want equality and suffer white guilt. I am against all discrimination and look to obtain equality for all. I want to see bad ideas become of a thing of the past, because these bad ideas effect the well being and equality of people. You though defend them. Your method only brings further imbalance because again, you only look through the American leftist white guilt lens and if there was ever a more flawed system, it is that.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:03 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So is there a case for removing school funding from local control and making it national? If you simply add public money in areas where people pay less property taxes, those in areas where they pay more will probably just complain. Those who have more expenses houses aren't necessarily better off IMO - unless they're living in huge mansions of course.

Again, it's not about the taxpayers, it's about their children. I would favor a state-level "Robin Hood" plan in which money is pooled and distributed as evenly as possible.

Rich kids already have countless educational advantages. The government shouldn't be institutionalizing even more advantages for them while failing the poor.

You can't really separate the tax payers from their children because they're the ones who are paying. Are you assuming that all white people are "rich"? The point is that if it was funded at a national level, there wouldn't be the issue of property tax paying for it, and then it wouldn't matter how much someone's property was worth.
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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:11 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So is there a case for removing school funding from local control and making it national? If you simply add public money in areas where people pay less property taxes, those in areas where they pay more will probably just complain. Those who have more expenses houses aren't necessarily better off IMO - unless they're living in huge mansions of course.

Again, it's not about the taxpayers, it's about their children. I would favor a state-level "Robin Hood" plan in which money is pooled and distributed as evenly as possible.

Rich kids already have countless educational advantages. The government shouldn't be institutionalizing even more advantages for them while failing the poor.

You can't really separate the tax payers from their children because they're the ones who are paying. Are you assuming that all white people are "rich"? The point is that if it was funded at a national level, there wouldn't be the issue of property tax paying for it, and then it wouldn't matter how much someone's property was worth.

First of all, if you've read my posts in this thread you'll know that I don't think all white people are rich. I'm white and I'm not rich, and I only know a few white people I would consider rich.

School funding has to come from somewhere, so the wealthy could still claim they deserve more funding in the communities because the wealthy generate a larger portion of the public treasury.

I also wouldn't favor funding at the national level (other than perhaps supplementary funding) because the U.S. is too big. An appropriate per-student allotment is going to vary quite a bit between New York State and Mississippi, given the wide gap in cost of living between places like that. For example, if you make $50,000 per year in Manhattan, you could have a lifestyle comparable to that in Jackson, Mississippi for just $19,000.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:24 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You can't really separate the tax payers from their children because they're the ones who are paying. Are you assuming that all white people are "rich"? The point is that if it was funded at a national level, there wouldn't be the issue of property tax paying for it, and then it wouldn't matter how much someone's property was worth.

First of all, if you've read my posts in this thread you'll know that I don't think all white people are rich. I'm white and I'm not rich, and I only know a few white people I would consider rich.

School funding has to come from somewhere, so the wealthy could still claim they deserve more funding in the communities because the wealthy generate a larger portion of the public treasury.

I also wouldn't favor funding at the national level (other than perhaps supplementary funding) because the U.S. is too big. An appropriate per-student allotment is going to vary quite a bit between New York State and Mississippi, given the wide gap in cost of living between places like that. For example, if you make $50,000 per year in Manhattan, you could have a lifestyle comparable to that in Jackson, Mississippi for just $19,000.

I don't really understand what you want. You were saying earlier that it was house prices which determined how much local funding was collected for schooling, so I suggested that it was done at a national level which would bypass that particular problem. Why can't the central government allocate money depending on how many schools are in a particular area, and then the local government can spend it wisely?

Are costs for schools less in those areas where house prices are lower? If so, then just looking at the figures won't help anyway, so how do you know that the schools are underfunded?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:53 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:So if people in a particular area paying more in local taxes than people in another area, isn't it fair that they get more for what they're paying?

I agree with that up to a point, the point being that children have no say over where they're born or who their parents are.

We can't make the argument that everyone has the same chance to succeed when they don't get the same quality education
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Children have never had those choices...


All children are different and all have the chance to 'succeed' in as many different ways...


Success is measurable in an infinite number of ways!


And we can't all be the same, from the same, experiencing the same, and all ending up the same, in the same job, wirh the same skills, same clothes, same everything...


Or is that what you lefties want...!?


All in the name of 'equality'...!?



I'd like to know how you think you are likely to achieve this impossible level of equality...!?


Especially when you bang on so much about the need for 'diversity'...!!!


lol!
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