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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:26 am

Sabrina Tavernise, writing for the New York Timesshines a spotlight on the veryPaltrowy practice of juice cleansing.
One of her interviewees is Dr. James H. Grendell, the chief of the division of gastroenterology, hepatology and nutrition at Winthrop-University Hospital in Mineola, New York. When he has a patient who’s been detoxing, he asks a very simple question.


[W]hen I ask them what they are trying to get rid of, they aren’t really sure,” said Dr. James H. Grendell, the chief of the division of gastroenterology, hepatology and nutrition at Winthrop-University Hospital in Mineola, N.Y. “I’ve yet to find someone who has specified a toxin they were hoping to be spared.”
Other medical professional also ask pointed questions that cast doubt on the claims of cleansers and detoxers.
Dr. Antoinette Saddler, a gastroenterologist at the George Washington University School of Medicine & Health Sciences, agreed to read through one of many blog posts available online about cleansing. She said she was perplexed from the beginning.
A juice diet rests the stomach, [a post] claimed. “Why does the stomach need resting?” she asked.
She read further. Juices require less of the stomach’s digestive processing, it said. “Who said that was beneficial?” she said.
And then she got to the inevitable detox claim: Juicing “allows the body to have more of the resources it needs to support the phases of detoxification, and even to begin to help remove the cumulative toxins stored in the body.” “What does that even mean?” [Saddler] said. Exasperated, she stopped reading.




Still on the fence about whether a so-called detox is worth it? Writer Tara Fuller says she’s done pretty much every cleanse under the sun, with few positive results and many negative ones. Among her findings:

[*]Your body needs protein and fiber, which are largely removed from fruits in the process of juicing.

[*]On that note, eating fruit is considerably better for you than drinking it.

[*]Cleansing makes you weak and hangry.


If the goal is to live healthy and lose weight, let me do my best Johnny Cochran impersonation and say, Dispense with the cleanse. Or, Don’t do the woo.
Instead, use less sugar, eat more fruits and grains, drink more water, get some exercise, and try to get eight hours of sleep a day. And rest assured that unless you abuse alcohol or drugs, your kidneys and liver will do all the detoxing and purifying your body needs — and they’re free!
In the words of Tavernise:
To say that drinking juice detoxifies the body isn’t quite the same as claiming leeches suck out poisons, but it’s fairly close.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/04/21/heres-an-excellent-question-to-ask-people-who-are-cleansing-or-detoxing/

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:10 pm

Nobody "Juices anymore" - tne author is using very outdated material!!! Shocked


Nutribullets are what people use now - turn every single thing you put in it, to a paste (even nuts) you simply add water/milk/fluid befroe switching on.

You should try it. Do it for even a week (as a breakfast) and see how your skin looks.

My breakfast:
Kale, spinach, carrot, handful berries, raw ginger, dollop of activia yoghurt and water

If anyone ate that off a plate, no one would say they went having a healthy breakfast - but who'd want to eat that first thing?
So you make a smoothie from it.



Nice try though. Sleep
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:13 pm

Didge are you a bloke who pretends he's happy that he's stodgy and unhealthy?

I bet you are, I really have noticed that you mock health and you know bugger all about the human body and health.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:09 pm

eddie wrote:Didge are you a bloke who pretends he's happy that he's stodgy and unhealthy?

I bet you are, I really have noticed that you mock health and you know bugger all about the human body and health.


So yet another post attacking the poster and not the points and you are a moderator as well.

Wow

I listen to experts, not idiots Eddie

As to my health, its very well, only now again I suffer asthma.

I do not attack your threads with such an obtuse manner, which shows clearly you are unable to take differing views and instead act like a child

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:17 pm

The advice by the way comes from this expert

Antoinette Saddler

MD- Gastroenterology & Liver Diseases[/size]

http://www.gwdocs.com/physicians/antoinette-r-saddler


You know, someone who has studied years to obtain their qualifications understanding the human body specializing in this very field to be told they are wrong by some nobody off the internet.
I rest my case

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:18 pm

eddie wrote:Nobody "Juices anymore" - tne author is using  very outdated material!!! Shocked


Nutribullets are what people use now - turn every single thing you put in it, to a paste (even nuts) you simply add water/milk/fluid befroe switching on.

You should try it. Do it for even a week (as a breakfast) and see how your skin looks.

My breakfast:
Kale, spinach, carrot, handful berries, raw ginger, dollop of activia yoghurt and water

If anyone ate that off a plate, no one would say they went having a healthy breakfast - but who'd want to eat that first thing?
So you make a smoothie from it.



Nice try though. Sleep


Quite.

Mine was watercress, carrot, mango, raw ginger, active yog and apple juice, had a real kick.  Wasn't able to have one since last Saturday because of the sickness and really missed it.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:19 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:Nobody "Juices anymore" - tne author is using  very outdated material!!! Shocked


Nutribullets are what people use now - turn every single thing you put in it, to a paste (even nuts) you simply add water/milk/fluid befroe switching on.

You should try it. Do it for even a week (as a breakfast) and see how your skin looks.

My breakfast:
Kale, spinach, carrot, handful berries, raw ginger, dollop of activia yoghurt and water

If anyone ate that off a plate, no one would say they went having a healthy breakfast - but who'd want to eat that first thing?
So you make a smoothie from it.



Nice try though. Sleep


Quite.

Mine was watercress, carrot, mango, raw ginger, active yog and apple juice, had a real kick.  Wasn't able to have one since last Saturday because of the sickness and really missed it.


Ahh another nobody who has zero qualifications on the matter backing another nobody with zero qualifications in the matter

This is why such people are dangerous, as they spread false and bad information

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:20 pm

didge wrote:The advice by the way comes from this expert

Antoinette Saddler

MD- Gastroenterology & Liver Diseases[/size]

http://www.gwdocs.com/physicians/antoinette-r-saddler


You know, someone who has studied years to obtain their qualifications understanding the human body specializing in this very field to be told they are wrong by some nobody off the internet.
I rest my case


Yes Didge, but she is talking about JUICING, which means you don't have the whole fruit/veg, with smoothies you use the whole fruit/veg and get all the fibre and nutriments, it's just in liquid form instead of solid.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:22 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:The advice by the way comes from this expert

Antoinette Saddler

MD- Gastroenterology & Liver Diseases[/size]

http://www.gwdocs.com/physicians/antoinette-r-saddler


You know, someone who has studied years to obtain their qualifications understanding the human body specializing in this very field to be told they are wrong by some nobody off the internet.
I rest my case


Yes Didge, but she is talking about JUICING, which means you don't have the whole fruit/veg, with smoothies you use the whole fruit/veg and get all the fibre and nutriments, it's just in liquid form instead of solid.

So should you be gulping down a smoothie every morning? I say no.

There is research to show that if you take exactly the same energy as a liquid instead of a solid, you will consume more calories later because the liquefied energy doesn’t satisfy your appetite as well as the solid food[1]. In addition, you may be changing the rate and effect of nutrient digestion in important ways. We know that for some food, like rice, if you mechanically turn it into a slurry prior to consuming it, your body reacts with a significantly sharper and faster spike in blood sugar[2]. Lastly, people who consume green smoothies usually use fruit to make it taste palatable. The energy density of the fruit dwarfs the energy density of the greens and these smoothies usually end up being quite high in sugar.

Here is what a ‘healthy’ green smoothie might contain:

1 cup spinach, fresh
¼ cup water
¼ cup orange juice
¾ cups strawberries
½ cup blueberries
1 banana
This concoction contains 218 calories[3]. Even though it may feel like a ‘green’ smoothie with all those leaves in the blender, only about 6% of the calories come from the spinach. The rest is all fruit, with a total of 32 grams of sugar. 59% of the total calories in this smoothie come from sugar.

Now consider that by consuming this in the liquid form you may be less satisfied, less full, and subsequently eat more calories during the day than you otherwise would have if you ate those ingredients as solid foods. Also consider that by taking those foods as liquids instead of solids you may be significantly changing the immediate blood sugar spike and subsequent blood sugar fall you experience (in a bad way).

Considering these factors, I am particularly worried about the hidden harms of regular smoothie consumption on people who are trying to lose weight, have diabetes, or have high triglycerides.

Do I hate all smoothies all the time? Of course not. I know green smoothie consumers who put all the vegetables or fruits they eat for their entire day into the smoothie. Without the smoothie, they likely won’t consume any fruits or vegetables. Replacing the smoothie with a fast food egg and bacon sandwich is a dubious proposition, so I don’t always push hard to get rid of the smoothies.

But the bottom line is this: Use your mouth and your teeth the way nature intended and put the smoothies aside or have them just as treats. Compared to my medical school days, my life is now better in many ways, and I no longer imbibe the gross, green smoothie of old. I strive to eat and chew generous portions of dark green leaves every day, and thus hope the desperate times do not return. I recommend you do the same

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:23 pm

didge wrote:
sassy wrote:


Quite.

Mine was watercress, carrot, mango, raw ginger, active yog and apple juice, had a real kick.  Wasn't able to have one since last Saturday because of the sickness and really missed it.


Ahh another nobody who has zero qualifications on the matter backing another nobody with zero qualifications in the matter

This is why such people are dangerous, as they spread false and bad information


See, that's where you are completely wrong, because when I got CLL and the doc told me that nutrition really helped, as did green tea, but in quantities that could harm your liver, I took a course on nutrition and health and also sat in on lectures from a liver specialist as we were allowed to with the job I did to WPA.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Also article is going off people believing they are cleansing their bodies, never knowing what they are cleansing. Like I say, people constantly buy into many bad things.
Smoothies are not bad, but it was Eddie coming in all preaching being mouthy as per usual

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:25 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:


Ahh another nobody who has zero qualifications on the matter backing another nobody with zero qualifications in the matter

This is why such people are dangerous, as they spread false and bad information


See, that's where you are completely wrong, because when I got CLL and the doc told me that nutrition really helped, as did green tea, but in quantities that could harm your liver, I took a course on nutrition and health and also sat in on lectures from a liver specialist as we were allowed to with the job I did to WPA.

Which means you have zero qualifications.
You are just taking advise not fully understanding why

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:29 pm

How soup can help you lose weight
By Jack Challoner  


In the battle to lose weight, hunger is the dieter's worst enemy. But research has revealed a simple aid to taming the appetite: soup. It's dieting's best kept secret says one science writer.
Imagine a typical lunchtime meal - say, chicken and vegetables with a glass of water.




If you eat the food and drink the water, you will feel full for a couple of hours before hunger kicks in. But if you blend the food with the water - to make soup - you will stay hunger-free for much longer, and less likely to snack through the afternoon.
How can blending the food into soup make such a difference? The answer lies in the stomach. Scientists have used ultrasound and MRI scans of people's stomachs to investigate what happens after eating solid-food-plus-water meals compared with the same food made into soup.
After you eat a meal, the pyloric sphincter valve at the bottom of your stomach holds food back so that the digestive juices can get to work.
Water, however, passes straight through the sphincter to your intestines, so drinking water does not contribute to "filling you up".

When you eat the same meal as a soup, the whole mixture remains in the stomach, because the water and food are blended together. The scientists' scans confirm that the stomach stays fuller for longer, staving off those hunger pangs.
The key to this low-tech weapon against hunger is a hormone called ghrelin. It is one of the major players in the body's appetite system.
Discovered as recently as 1999, ghrelin is released by specialised cells in the stomach wall.
'Cupcake circuit'
These cells produce a constant stream of ghrelin whenever the stomach is empty. The ghrelin travels via the blood stream to the brain's appetite centre, an organ called the hypothalamus. As a result, the hypothalamus screams "You are hungry - find food."
But whenever the stomach wall is stretched - when the stomach is full - the cells stop producing ghrelin, and the hypothalamus responds accordingly, turning off the appetite signal. The longer the stomach remains full, the longer you feel satisfied and the less you are likely to eat.

The stomach gradually empties, more slowly for the soup than the solid meal plus water. The BBC staged an experiment for the programme 10 Things You Need to Know About Losing Weight to test this theory. In this experiment, and in previous experiments, participants reported feeling full for up to an hour-and-a-half longer than their solid meal counterparts.
Although some researchers refer to appetite as "the cupcake circuit", the mechanism behind human appetite evolved long before cupcakes were invented - at a time when food was scarce.
As a result, we are hardwired to eat high-calorie foods, which are unfortunately so abundant in the modern world.
Finding ways to control the appetite signal is crucial if we are to stave off the meteoric rise in obesity. Food scientists and pharmaceutical companies alike are on a major quest to find ways to do just that.

Appetite is one of the most researched areas of weight-loss science. Unfortunately, the appetite system is complex, and still poorly understood.
There are probably dozens of hormones that play a role in regulating appetite. Of those that have already been discovered, there is one that is released after eating protein-rich meals (called PYY), one that is released by fat cells (leptin) and several that respond to the presence of any kind of food.
But of all the hormones that make up the appetite system, it is ghrelin that has caused the most interest. In addition to its role in sending the "stomach empty" signal to the brain, ghrelin also promotes fat storage.
Even worse, it inhibits the breakdown of stored fat during times of weight loss. Inject ghrelin into the bloodstream of a rat and the animal eats insatiably - and quickly becomes obese.
In 2006, scientists at the Scripps Research Centre in the US developed a vaccine to counteract the influence of ghrelin, in an attempt to control appetite.
It is still undergoing clinical trials - so for now, the best and simplest way to keep hunger at bay is to reduce your stomach's release of ghrelin: blend your food into a healthy, voluminous soup. The best sort? Vegetable soup, as it produces a more consistent blend and is generally lower calorie than chicken or fish soup.
Jack Challoner is a science writer and author of the website explaining-science.co.uk.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8068733.stm


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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:32 pm

The BBC????

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:33 pm

Thomas Campbell, MD

http://nutritionstudies.org/are-smoothies-good-or-bad/

My link, again qualified

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:33 pm

Scientists have used ultrasound and MRI scans of people's stomachs to investigate what happens after eating solid-food-plus-water meals compared with the same food made into soup.
After you eat a meal, the pyloric sphincter valve at the bottom of your stomach holds food back so that the digestive juices can get to work.
Water, however, passes straight through the sphincter to your intestines, so drinking water does not contribute to "filling you up".
When you eat the same meal as a soup, the whole mixture remains in the stomach, because the water and food are blended together. The scientists' scans confirm that the stomach stays fuller for longer, staving off those hunger pangs.



The BBC were simply reporting it, it was a very well publicised scientific investigation at the time.




The MRIs showed that the food in liquid form, staying in the stomach longer.


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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:33 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:Nobody "Juices anymore" - tne author is using  very outdated material!!! Shocked


Nutribullets are what people use now - turn every single thing you put in it, to a paste (even nuts) you simply add water/milk/fluid befroe switching on.

You should try it. Do it for even a week (as a breakfast) and see how your skin looks.

My breakfast:
Kale, spinach, carrot, handful berries, raw ginger, dollop of activia yoghurt and water

If anyone ate that off a plate, no one would say they went having a healthy breakfast - but who'd want to eat that first thing?
So you make a smoothie from it.



Nice try though. Sleep


Quite.

Mine was watercress, carrot, mango, raw ginger, active yog and apple juice, had a real kick.  Wasn't able to have one since last Saturday because of the sickness and really missed it.


Yep. I know plenty of people who mocked me a couple years ago and have now fully converted having tried it, because of course, unless you TRY somethjng for yourself, you cannot really judge on its benefits or not.

Best to judge for yourself than waffle on about something you know nothing of.

Vive la Nutribullet! All your nutrients in one smoothie and that's on top of having a pretty well-balanced diet.....with a few squares of chocolate chucked in for good measure! cheers
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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:36 pm

eddie wrote:
sassy wrote:


Quite.

Mine was watercress, carrot, mango, raw ginger, active yog and apple juice, had a real kick.  Wasn't able to have one since last Saturday because of the sickness and really missed it.


Yep. I know plenty of people who mocked me a couple years ago and have now fully converted having tried it, because of course, unless you TRY somethjng for yourself, you cannot really judge on its benefits or not.

Best to judge for yourself than waffle on about something you know nothing of.

Vive la Nutribullet! All your nutrients in one smoothie and that's on top of having a pretty well-balanced diet.....with a few squares of chocolate chucked in for good measure! cheers


Never touch processed food, apart from tinned sardines.  Hoorah for the choccy, did wean myself off milk to dark lol


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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:38 pm

Yes sassy I am trying that too. Funnily enough, since I gave up meat and milk (mainly due to disliking the taste as you know) I found I preferred darker chocolate?
Weird, because I always turned my nose up at it before!
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:40 pm

Oh man not more people claimed to have converted lol

For fuck sake, it shows people cannot reason their points but claim people believe them

That shows a lack of faith in yourself by not being able to back your views

I feel sorry if you have converted any, poor people, what have they led themselves in for

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:46 pm

eddie wrote:Yes sassy I am trying that too. Funnily enough, since I gave up meat and milk (mainly due to disliking the taste as you know) I found I preferred darker chocolate?
Weird, because I always turned my nose up at it before!

Having an over-active parathyroid I have to be very careful to keep my calcium intake up, so apart from milk and cheese I have loads of green veg, and the only processed food - tinned sardines - as you can eat the bones when it's tinned for extra calcium.   When I have a bad tummy bug like the last little while, I have to cut back on the greens (for obvious reasons lol).  It's all a bit of a balancing act and you have to really know exactly what you are taking in and how it helps/hinders.

My specialist is very glad I know what I'm talking about, he has people with CLL who take green tea tablets and don't realise they can damage your liver.   He's really good because he lets me have a liver function test every three months to make sure I'm not having too much.   Still quite of research about green tea and CLL.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:47 pm

lol more hearsay, how can a specialist be glad, you know what you are talking about?

Never heard anything more so made up in all my life, to have someone big themselves up

Please present a letter from your specialist proving this?

I want to see the name of the specialist, you can blank out your name, and their signiture

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:51 pm

Oh yes Didge, my spec is really going to waste his time writing a letter for you to see.  Talk about delusions of grandeur. Rolling Eyes

I was talking to Eddie, and unlike yourself, don't need to big myself up, I'll leave that to you.


With an under active thyroid, over active para thyroid and CLL I'd be bloody stupid not to know about nutrition and it's impact of the body and specific organs.


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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:52 pm

sassy wrote:Oh yes Didge, my spec is really going to waste his time writing a letter for you to see.  Talk about delusions of grandeur. Rolling Eyes

I was talking to Eddie, and unlike yourself, don't need to big myself up, I'll leave that to you.

Then based off your claims, and based off how you both ignore what experts have said, then its clear you do not know what you are talking about

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:55 pm

didge wrote:
sassy wrote:Oh yes Didge, my spec is really going to waste his time writing a letter for you to see.  Talk about delusions of grandeur. Rolling Eyes

I was talking to Eddie, and unlike yourself, don't need to big myself up, I'll leave that to you.

Then based off your claims, and based off how you both ignore what experts have said, then its clear you do not know what you are talking about


Thanks very much, but in the discussions I have with him and the endocronologist I don't think what your 'experts' say hold much weight.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:57 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:

Then based off your claims, and based off how you both ignore what experts have said, then its clear you do not know what you are talking about


Thanks very much, but in the discussions I have with him and the endocronologist I don't think what your 'experts' say hold much weight.


Well if he is a quackadoodle your specialist, then I would not be surprised.
You see when people are reliant on reasoning by going off claims based on hearsay, you know their arguments are weak, as they should be able to back them up with countless evidence, not something 7 years old from the BBC

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:03 pm

Didge, we all know that you're a little secretly paranoid about your belly and your diet, it's very plain to see as you have this fixation about trying to disprove it.

Do you believe vegetables and fruit are good for you?
Becasue that's all a smoothie is.

Not understanding what you're fighting against here but go have a BBQ burger and drink your beers and laugh loudly at all the "healthy people".

Come on, you know that's what you do lol!
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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:06 pm

smoothies.....food for people too idle to chew....

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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:07 pm

eddie wrote:Didge, we all know that you're a little secretly paranoid about your belly and your diet, it's very plain to see as you have this fixation about trying to disprove it.
Poor immature accusation, I have no issues with my diet, pathetic and childish deflection
Do you believe vegetables and fruit are good for you?
Becasue that's all a smoothie is.
I never said smoothies were bad, they can be though as seen through the advice given in quantities, but then you never read anything which is relevant. Again you tried to dish the experts based off you being a nobody

Not understanding what you're fighting against here but go have a BBQ burger and drink your beers and laugh loudly at all the "healthy people".

Come on, you know that's what you do lol!

The above shows what an idiot you are having no idea what my diet is, as I dont even eat that much meat, if I do its in sauces and its not that often, but I do not liquefy food, I eat most fruit and vegetables raw and uncooked as well

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:18 pm

didge wrote:
sassy wrote:


Thanks very much, but in the discussions I have with him and the endocronologist I don't think what your 'experts' say hold much weight.


Well if he is a quackadoodle your specialist, then I would not be surprised.
You see when people are reliant on reasoning by going off claims based on hearsay, you know their arguments are weak, as they should be able to back them up with countless evidence, not something 7 years old from the BBC


Nope, he's the top CLL spec in the UK, in Cambridge.
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:19 pm

Lord Foul wrote:smoothies.....food for people too idle to chew....



Nope, for people who want to get nutrition down them, things that they wouldn't eat at the same time but blended together as a 'soup' are manageable..  And the chew for the other meals.
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:21 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:


Well if he is a quackadoodle your specialist, then I would not be surprised.
You see when people are reliant on reasoning by going off claims based on hearsay, you know their arguments are weak, as they should be able to back them up with countless evidence, not something 7 years old from the BBC


Nope, he's the top CLL spec in the UK, in Cambridge.


I am sure he is, but I doubt he has claimed you know what you are talking about, that is for sure.
You see when there is conflicting evidence and you go off wanting others to believe you, over that of reasoning, then I am always going to be less likely to believe you. Even more so based on your falsified countless claims you make on Israel from FB which their intent is to sow hate.
There is a lesson for you to learn from, whether you do or not is up to you

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:24 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:smoothies.....food for people too idle to chew....



Nope, for people who want to get nutrition down them, things that they wouldn't eat at the same time but blended together as a 'soup' are manageable..  And the chew for the other meals.

ok food for people who are too idle to chew ...AND are "picky"


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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:28 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:


Nope, for people who want to get nutrition down them, things that they wouldn't eat at the same time but blended together as a 'soup' are manageable..  And the chew for the other meals.

ok food for people who are too idle to chew ...AND are "picky"




lol, well if you can eat a whole big bunch of watercress, half a mango,  big piece of raw ginger etc etc at the same time, be my guest.
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:29 pm

didge wrote:
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Nope, he's the top CLL spec in the UK, in Cambridge.


I am sure he is, but I doubt he has claimed you know what you are talking about, that is for sure.
You see when there is conflicting evidence and you go off wanting others to believe you, over that of reasoning, then I am always going to be less likely to believe you. Even more so based on your falsified countless claims you make on Israel from FB which their intent is to sow hate.
There is a lesson for you to learn from, whether you do or not is up to you


Don't give a fuck what you doubt frankly.  You just ain't that important lol
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:30 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:


I am sure he is, but I doubt he has claimed you know what you are talking about, that is for sure.
You see when there is conflicting evidence and you go off wanting others to believe you, over that of reasoning, then I am always going to be less likely to believe you. Even more so based on your falsified countless claims you make on Israel from FB which their intent is to sow hate.
There is a lesson for you to learn from, whether you do or not is up to you


Don't give a fuck what you doubt frankly.  You just ain't that important lol

Contradiction, as you would not be trying to convince me otherwise


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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:32 pm

didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Didge, we all know that you're a little secretly paranoid about your belly and your diet, it's very plain to see as you have this fixation about trying to disprove it.
Poor immature accusation, I have no issues with my diet, pathetic and childish deflection
Do you believe vegetables and fruit are good for you?
Becasue that's all a smoothie is.
I never said smoothies were bad, they can be though as seen through the advice given in quantities, but then you never read anything which is relevant. Again you tried to dish the experts based off you being a nobody

Not understanding what you're fighting against here but go have a BBQ burger and drink your beers and laugh loudly at all the "healthy people".

Come on, you know that's what you do lol!

The above shows what an idiot you are having no idea what my diet is, as I dont even eat that much meat, if I do its in sauces and its not that often, but I do not liquefy food, I eat most fruit and vegetables raw and uncooked as well

Of course you do!!

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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:32 pm

didge wrote:
sassy wrote:


Don't give a fuck what you doubt frankly.  You just ain't that important lol

Contradiction, as you would not be trying to convince me otherwise



Who is trying to convince you?   Your delusions are only exceeded by your lack of knowledge and the depth of your unintelligence.
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:33 pm

eddie wrote:
didge wrote:

The above shows what an idiot you are having no idea what my diet is, as I dont even eat that much meat, if I do its in sauces and its not that often, but I do not liquefy food, I eat most fruit and vegetables raw and uncooked as well

Of course you do!!



Rolling Eyes  lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!


Now who is trying to convince who of what lol
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:34 pm

sassy wrote:
didge wrote:

Contradiction, as you would not be trying to convince me otherwise



Who is trying to convince you?   Your delusions are only exceeded by your lack of knowledge and the depth of your unintelligence.

I questioned your claim, you then spent numerous posts trying to claim its validity

That is trying to convince, hence the contradiction in your previous post


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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:35 pm

eddie wrote:
didge wrote:

The above shows what an idiot you are having no idea what my diet is, as I dont even eat that much meat, if I do its in sauces and its not that often, but I do not liquefy food, I eat most fruit and vegetables raw and uncooked as well

Of course you do!!


You see this is why people who take things like this as seriously as religion are idiots

If you do not believe me Eddie, that is fine

Its not going to make me lose any sleep over a quackadoodle disbelieving me

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:39 pm

Didge, I know you didn't mean to, but I want to congratulate you on being the funniest comic on NF, really, you should get a prize Smile
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:41 pm

sassy wrote:Didge, I know you didn't mean to, but I want to congratulate you on being the funniest comic on NF, really, you should get a prize Smile

No problem sassy, your views are about as insignificant as you

Laughing

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:41 pm

sassy wrote:Didge, I know you didn't mean to, but I want to congratulate you on being the funniest comic on NF, really, you should get a prize Smile

He's not on top form when it comes to health topics.
I wouldn't argue his knowledge of history as I know little.

He admits to eating his veg raw but questions blitzing them into a smoothie? lol!

I bet he eats handfuls of raw kale on his way to work. Rolling Eyes
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:43 pm

Shall we call it case closed then?

The thread starter derides a diet then admits to actually doing it in a different way!

I dunno. Whatever next? Rolling Eyes
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:43 pm

Cleay Eddie did not read the part on smoothies did she bless her

And shes left talking between me, another sign of conceding lol

I shall leave you too fruitcakes to continue to bitch, because that is all you are any good at.

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:44 pm

Haven't stopped giggling for ages.  He know so little about the body and nutrition and tries to pretend he does.
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Re: Here’s an Excellent Question to Ask People Who Are “Cleansing” or “Detoxing”

Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:44 pm

didge wrote:
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Yes Didge, but she is talking about JUICING, which means you don't have the whole fruit/veg, with smoothies you use the whole fruit/veg and get all the fibre and nutriments, it's just in liquid form instead of solid.

So should you be gulping down a smoothie every morning? I say no.

There is research to show that if you take exactly the same energy as a liquid instead of a solid, you will consume more calories later because the liquefied energy doesn’t satisfy your appetite as well as the solid food[1]. In addition, you may be changing the rate and effect of nutrient digestion in important ways. We know that for some food, like rice, if you mechanically turn it into a slurry prior to consuming it, your body reacts with a significantly sharper and faster spike in blood sugar[2]. Lastly, people who consume green smoothies usually use fruit to make it taste palatable. The energy density of the fruit dwarfs the energy density of the greens and these smoothies usually end up being quite high in sugar.

Here is what a ‘healthy’ green smoothie might contain:

1 cup spinach, fresh
¼ cup water
¼ cup orange juice
¾ cups strawberries
½ cup blueberries
1 banana
This concoction contains 218 calories[3]. Even though it may feel like a ‘green’ smoothie with all those leaves in the blender, only about 6% of the calories come from the spinach. The rest is all fruit, with a total of 32 grams of sugar. 59% of the total calories in this smoothie come from sugar.

Now consider that by consuming this in the liquid form you may be less satisfied, less full, and subsequently eat more calories during the day than you otherwise would have if you ate those ingredients as solid foods. Also consider that by taking those foods as liquids instead of solids you may be significantly changing the immediate blood sugar spike and subsequent blood sugar fall you experience (in a bad way).

Considering these factors, I am particularly worried about the hidden harms of regular smoothie consumption on people who are trying to lose weight, have diabetes, or have high triglycerides.

Do I hate all smoothies all the time? Of course not. I know green smoothie consumers who put all the vegetables or fruits they eat for their entire day into the smoothie. Without the smoothie, they likely won’t consume any fruits or vegetables. Replacing the smoothie with a fast food egg and bacon sandwich is a dubious proposition, so I don’t always push hard to get rid of the smoothies.

But the bottom line is this: Use your mouth and your teeth the way nature intended and put the smoothies aside or have them just as treats. Compared to my medical school days, my life is now better in many ways, and I no longer imbibe the gross, green smoothie of old. I strive to eat and chew generous portions of dark green leaves every day, and thus hope the desperate times do not return. I recommend you do the same


For Eddie to digest

Now I shall leave them to continue to bitch like the idiots they are lol

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Post by sassy on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:45 pm

You wouldn't use 1 cup to spinch, you would use a whole packet.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:47 pm

sassy wrote:You wouldn't use 1 cup to spinch, you would use a whole packet.


Here is what a ‘healthy’ green smoothie might contain:

1 cup spinach, fresh
¼ cup water
¼ cup orange juice
¾ cups strawberries
½ cup blueberries
1 banana

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