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Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:19 am




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6k1gugifwA



A must watch.

This shows how very much so Israel are indigenous to modern day Israel and reasons this based on facts.

Indigenous Status:

A people had a coalescence and a genesis on the land

This can certainly be stated for the Jews and no matter that the vast majority were displaced through history, they retained their Jewish identity, culture, language, religion etc. Even then Jews did remain in the Holy lands throughout history which can be attested by countless records.

Now can the same be said about the Palestinian Arabs?

No, as their genesis was in the the Arabian Peninsula and thus they can never be identified as indigenous to the lands of Israel. They would only be indigenous if they descended from former Jews, Samaritans, Druze, Canaanites etc. Of course some Palestinians are descended this way, but the vast majority are descended from Arabs who also were recent migrants to the area over the last 150 years, just as many Jews were returning to these lands. This does not mean I do not think Palestinian Arabs have a right to a nation and a land. Of course I think they should have their own nation, even though one already exists in the nation  of Jordan which is made up of a vast majority of Palestinian Arabs.
So I certainly back the right of a second Palestinian nation in the West bank and Gaza but under a Tolerant and progressive peace minded leadership.

One thing is evident though, no land can be claimed to be called an Arab land. That is given precedence to a view that any land conquered by the Arabs were thus immediately make that conquered land then Arabic. By using this view which Muslims believe such a stance is righteous based on the belief any land taken is ordained to them by Allah. Then if any person believes it is Arab land based on a previous time they conquered the land, then the same will then apply to any nation that conquers a land. This would mean where Israel has through defensive wars gained land from the Arabs. This then would automatically make the land then Jewish land based on this methodology.

This is why those of hate have very little understanding of what they are talking about and end up contradicting themselves on this issue.

Conclusion.

1)  The Jews are indigenous to the lands of Modern Israel

2  )Arabs are indigenous to the lands of the Arabian Peninsula.

3)  Both Israel and the formation of a second Palestinian state should exist in peace with each other.

4) If people believe the lands are Arab lands, from once conquering them, then using their methodology any lands gained by Israel would immediately become Jewish lands.

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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:35 am

No challengers to my points and back up by an indigenous rights activist????

Guess its a nightmare for racist haters of Israeli/Jews, when people have to face facts.

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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:44 am

Didge wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6k1gugifwA



A must watch.

This shows how very much so Israel are indigenous to modern day Israel and reasons this based on facts.

Indigenous Status:

A people had a coalescence and a genesis on the land

This can certainly be stated for the Jews and no matter that the vast majority were displaced through history, they retained their Jewish identity, culture, language, religion etc. Even then Jews did remain in the Holy lands throughout history which can be attested by countless records.

Now can the same be said about the Palestinian Arabs?

No, as their genesis was in the the Arabian Peninsula and thus they can never be identified as indigenous to the lands of Israel. They would only be indigenous if they descended from former Jews, Samaritans, Druze, Canaanites etc. Of course some Palestinians are descended this way, but the vast majority are descended from Arabs who also were recent migrants to the area over the last 150 years, just as many Jews were returning to these lands. This does not mean I do not think Palestinian Arabs have a right to a nation and a land. Of course I think they should have their own nation, even though one already exists in the nation  of Jordan which is made up of a vast majority of Palestinian Arabs.
So I certainly back the right of a second Palestinian nation in the West bank and Gaza but under a Tolerant and progressive peace minded leadership.

One thing is evident though, no land can be claimed to be called an Arab land. That is given precedence to a view that any land conquered by the Arabs were thus immediately make that conquered land then Arabic. By using this view which Muslims believe such a stance is righteous based on the belief any land taken is ordained to them by Allah. Then if any person believes it is Arab land based on a previous time they conquered the land, then the same will then apply to any nation that conquers a land. This would mean where Israel has through defensive wars gained land from the Arabs. This then would automatically make the land then Jewish land based on this methodology.

This is why those of hate have very little understanding of what they are talking about and end up contradicting themselves on this issue.

Conclusion.

1)  The Jews are indigenous to the lands of Modern Israel

2  )Arabs are indigenous to the lands of the Arabian Peninsula.

3)  Both Israel and the formation of a second Palestinian state should exist in peace with each other.

4) If people believe the lands are Arab lands, from once conquering them, then using their methodology any lands gained by Israel would immediately become Jewish lands.

Modern day Americans are not indigenous to the US, nor are Australians, or any other country where migration has taken place surely?
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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:50 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6k1gugifwA



A must watch.

This shows how very much so Israel are indigenous to modern day Israel and reasons this based on facts.

Indigenous Status:

A people had a coalescence and a genesis on the land

This can certainly be stated for the Jews and no matter that the vast majority were displaced through history, they retained their Jewish identity, culture, language, religion etc. Even then Jews did remain in the Holy lands throughout history which can be attested by countless records.

Now can the same be said about the Palestinian Arabs?

No, as their genesis was in the the Arabian Peninsula and thus they can never be identified as indigenous to the lands of Israel. They would only be indigenous if they descended from former Jews, Samaritans, Druze, Canaanites etc. Of course some Palestinians are descended this way, but the vast majority are descended from Arabs who also were recent migrants to the area over the last 150 years, just as many Jews were returning to these lands. This does not mean I do not think Palestinian Arabs have a right to a nation and a land. Of course I think they should have their own nation, even though one already exists in the nation  of Jordan which is made up of a vast majority of Palestinian Arabs.
So I certainly back the right of a second Palestinian nation in the West bank and Gaza but under a Tolerant and progressive peace minded leadership.

One thing is evident though, no land can be claimed to be called an Arab land. That is given precedence to a view that any land conquered by the Arabs were thus immediately make that conquered land then Arabic. By using this view which Muslims believe such a stance is righteous based on the belief any land taken is ordained to them by Allah. Then if any person believes it is Arab land based on a previous time they conquered the land, then the same will then apply to any nation that conquers a land. This would mean where Israel has through defensive wars gained land from the Arabs. This then would automatically make the land then Jewish land based on this methodology.

This is why those of hate have very little understanding of what they are talking about and end up contradicting themselves on this issue.

Conclusion.

1)  The Jews are indigenous to the lands of Modern Israel

2  )Arabs are indigenous to the lands of the Arabian Peninsula.

3)  Both Israel and the formation of a second Palestinian state should exist in peace with each other.

4) If people believe the lands are Arab lands, from once conquering them, then using their methodology any lands gained by Israel would immediately become Jewish lands.

Modern day Americans are not indigenous to the US, nor are Australians, or any other country where migration has taken place surely?


Every group has at one point migrated to or conquered an area and the demographics has changed

The American and Australian people are both relatively new nations or peoples of different ethnic groups, but there is not one culture or identity, as they descend from a multitude of ethnic groups. The genesis of both is within these lands, but there is many different identities. So this is very much different as again you have African America, Irish American, and so on. Now the indigenous would be the native Indians, being that their genesis and culture formed in America and the same with the aboriginals in Australia

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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:09 pm

Didge wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Modern day Americans are not indigenous to the US, nor are Australians, or any other country where migration has taken place surely?


Every group has at one point migrated to or conquered an area and the demographics has changed

The American and Australian people are both relatively new nations or peoples of different ethnic groups, but there is not one culture or identity, as they descend from a multitude of ethnic groups. The genesis of both is within these lands, but there is many different identities. So this is very much different as again you have African America, Irish American, and so on. Now the indigenous would be the native Indians, being that their genesis and culture formed in America and the same with the aboriginals in Australia

So much for multiculturalism, huh?   The Jews and Arabs just couldn't tolerate each other.  You'd think they'd have just shared the country in a civilised way,  and not fought over it.
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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:14 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:


Every group has at one point migrated to or conquered an area and the demographics has changed

The American and Australian people are both relatively new nations or peoples of different ethnic groups, but there is not one culture or identity, as they descend from a multitude of ethnic groups. The genesis of both is within these lands, but there is many different identities. So this is very much different as again you have African America, Irish American, and so on. Now the indigenous would be the native Indians, being that their genesis and culture formed in America and the same with the aboriginals in Australia

So much for multiculturalism, huh?   The Jews and Arabs just couldn't tolerate each other.  You'd think they'd have just shared the country in a civilised way,  and not fought over it.



Sorry that is not quite true Hoaratio

20% of the Israeli population is Arab and they are full citizens

Yet there is no Jews in Gaza,as all settlements were with drawn in 2005 and as seen Israel was still attacked afterwards and Fatah wishes to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the west bank in a future Palestinian state.

Israel has made peace deals and moved forward with previous enemies in Jordan, Egypt etc, and conceded lands to them from former defensive conflicts. The question then is why do the Palestinians refuse to want peace???

I agree you would think they could have two nations and share the land, sadly the Palestinians rejected a two-state solution back in 1937 and 1947, when the Peel Commission and then the United Nations General Assembly had put such solutions on the table. There is a belief in Islam that a land once conquered then becomes a Muslim land for all time based on being granted through their deity. This is why there is a major problem and has been from the very birth of the modern Israeli state.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:18 pm

Didge wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

So much for multiculturalism, huh?   The Jews and Arabs just couldn't tolerate each other.  You'd think they'd have just shared the country in a civilised way,  and not fought over it.



Sorry that is not quite true Hoaratio

20% of the Israeli population is Arab and they are full citizens

Yet there is no Jews in Gaza,as all settlements were with drawn in 2005 and as seen Israel was still attacked afterwards and Fatah wishes to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the west bank in a future Palestinian state.

Israel has made peace deals and moved forward with previous enemies in Jordan, Egypt etc, and conceded lands to them from former defensive conflicts. The question then is why do the Palestinians refuse to want peace???

I agree you would think they could have two nations and share the land, sadly the Palestinians rejected a two-state solution back in 1937 and 1947, when the Peel Commission and then the United Nations General Assembly had put such solutions on the table. There is a belief in Islam that a land once conquered then becomes a Muslim land for all time based on being granted through their deity. This is why there is a major problem and has been from the very birth of the modern Israeli state.

Then it would seem Muslims do not like integrating.      And yes, I do know that Islam sees conquering as a right to take that land for all time, hence, many people's fears of an influx of Muslims into the UK.   When Muslims here wave banners and declare they will breed us out, you can understand it's not conducive to good will.    So, can one blame the Israeli's for doing what they do, and feeling as they do?   Who could blame any country's people for defending what is rightfully theirs?    I'm not sure Israel would actually be happy with that integration.
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Re: Why the Jews Are Indigenous to Israel

Post by Guest on Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:24 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Didge wrote:



Sorry that is not quite true Hoaratio

20% of the Israeli population is Arab and they are full citizens

Yet there is no Jews in Gaza,as all settlements were with drawn in 2005 and as seen Israel was still attacked afterwards and Fatah wishes to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the west bank in a future Palestinian state.

Israel has made peace deals and moved forward with previous enemies in Jordan, Egypt etc, and conceded lands to them from former defensive conflicts. The question then is why do the Palestinians refuse to want peace???

I agree you would think they could have two nations and share the land, sadly the Palestinians rejected a two-state solution back in 1937 and 1947, when the Peel Commission and then the United Nations General Assembly had put such solutions on the table. There is a belief in Islam that a land once conquered then becomes a Muslim land for all time based on being granted through their deity. This is why there is a major problem and has been from the very birth of the modern Israeli state.

Then it would seem Muslims do not like integrating.      And yes, I do know that Islam sees conquering as a right to take that land for all time, hence, many people's fears of an influx of Muslims into the UK.   When Muslims here wave banners and declare they will breed us out, you can understand it's not conducive to good will.    So, can one blame the Israeli's for doing what they do, and feeling as they do?   Who could blame any country's people for defending what is rightfully theirs?    I'm not sure Israel would actually be happy with that integration.



Again not quite true as many of the Muslim Israeli Arabs have integrated.
As I say, there is a problem with antisemitism in the Palestinian areas, up at 93%, not the Israeli Arabs.
There clearly is the main reason and problem going forward for peace.
The latest violence started off false claims around the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. The same falsified claim that caused riots in 1929 and saw many jews murdered. You see even before israel became an independent state the same problems exist Hoaratio.
There is certainly an element of Muslims in this country who are most definitely a fifth element, those who are of the Wahhabist ideology

That is a massive issue, which has gone on unchallenged through massive funding by Saudi
There is though far more Muslims that are not Wahhabist and get lumbered in with them, though again they need to be more vocal standing against them. The problem is though both sets of Muslims here buy into poor conspiracies and hate narratives that claim the west is out to destroy Islam. Until these narratives are challenged then the problem will get worse

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:29 pm

Didge wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Then it would seem Muslims do not like integrating.      And yes, I do know that Islam sees conquering as a right to take that land for all time, hence, many people's fears of an influx of Muslims into the UK.   When Muslims here wave banners and declare they will breed us out, you can understand it's not conducive to good will.    So, can one blame the Israeli's for doing what they do, and feeling as they do?   Who could blame any country's people for defending what is rightfully theirs?    I'm not sure Israel would actually be happy with that integration.



Again not quite true as many of the Muslim Israeli Arabs have integrated.
As I say, there is a problem with antisemitism in the Palestinian areas, up at 93%, not the Israeli Arabs.
There clearly is the main reason and problem going forward for peace.
The latest violence started off false claims around the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. The same falsified claim that caused riots in 1929 and saw many jews murdered. You see even before israel became an independent state the same problems exist Hoaratio.
There is certainly an element of Muslims in this country who are most definitely a fifth element, those who are of the Wahhabist ideology

That is a massive issue, which has gone on unchallenged through massive funding by Saudi
There is though far more Muslims that are not Wahhabist and get lumbered in with them, though again they need to be more vocal standing against them. The problem is though both sets of Muslims here buy into poor conspiracies and hate narratives that claim the west is out to destroy Islam. Until these narratives are challenged then the problem will get worse

thank you for clarifying.
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