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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:06 pm



The artificial intelligence controlling Google's driverless cars is can officially be classed as the "driver," US officials have clarified.

Bureaucrats at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), according to Reuters, sent a letter to Google saying humans inside autonomous vehicles aren't classed as drivers.

"NHTSA will interpret 'driver' in the context of Google's described motor vehicle design as referring to the (self-driving system), and not to any of the vehicle occupants," the letter to Google, sent in early February, said.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2016-02/10/google-ai-car-driver

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:54 pm

that is good for the 'owner' not so good for google if it is less than perfect  cheers

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:12 pm

veya_victaous wrote:that is good for the 'owner' not so good for google if it is less than perfect  cheers

Yeah, but a less than perfect Google AI driver is still light years better than the average human ...


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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:22 pm

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veya_victaous wrote:that is good for the 'owner' not so good for google if it is less than perfect  cheers

Yeah, but a less than perfect Google AI driver is still light years better than the average human ...


yeah but they will be liable for any accidents.
it will be interesting, essentially this means the manufacturer is going to cover the insurance at least for collisions

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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:14 pm

Why didn't google pay their massive tax bill last year?

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:31 pm

eddie wrote:Why didn't google pay their massive tax bill last year?

cause they are capitalist pigs Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:56 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:Why didn't google pay their massive tax bill last year?

cause they are capitalist pigs Rolling Eyes

Well then at least they have put their money toward driverless cars which will put many people out of work.
Bet the government get a big fat cut of the profits too

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:01 pm

eddie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:Why didn't google pay their massive tax bill last year?

cause they are capitalist pigs Rolling Eyes

Well then at least they have put their money toward driverless cars which will put many people out of work.
Bet the government get a big fat cut of  the profits too





Actually that may be where they have fucked up... not paying the money
It is surprising that the ruling came down this way
must not have greased enough palms to ensure a ruling in their favour that would have kept the liability with the vehicle owner
 
they may have to pay to service the vehicle too or risk crash and the liability. This is an entirely new kettle of fish scratch

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Re: AI on board Google cars considered 'driver' by U.S. government

Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:58 pm

eddie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:Why didn't google pay their massive tax bill last year?

cause they are capitalist pigs Rolling Eyes

Well then at least they have put their money toward driverless cars which will put many people out of work.
Bet the government get a big fat cut of  the profits too

Wouldn't that be taxes?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:52 pm

Don't want this... we don't need this either...!


Plus... aren't radar systems just big microwave transmitters...!?


And we already have too much of that type of transmission going on...




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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Don't want this... we don't need this either...!


Plus... aren't radar systems just big microwave transmitters...!?


And we already have too much of that type of transmission going on...




That's where your tinfoil hat comes in.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:37 pm

Would it help to deflect the microwaves from all the proposed new radar systems...!?


I'm quite happy driving myself about anyway... and if you want to make the roads safer, just make driving tests more difficult and make everyone take retest every 5 years or so!

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Would it help to deflect the microwaves from all the proposed new radar systems...!?


I'm quite happy driving myself about anyway... and if you want to make the roads safer, just make driving tests more difficult and make everyone take retest every 5 years or so!

Or just get rid of people and ONLY allow AI drivers it will reduce it by much more as in almost every car made today the weakest link is the human driver.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:57 pm

Yeah... cos computers never 'crash' do they...!?


lol!



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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:05 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Yeah... cos computers never 'crash' do they...!?


lol!



less than people Rolling Eyes
you crash everyday

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:01 am

Wont catch on, not with me at any rate.
If you don't want to drive, catch a bus.

Might work with the old and disabled,
can't see young 'uns wanting it.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Much better uses for any money spent on this...

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:34 pm

The problem as I see it is with hackers gaining access to the vehicle...wouldn't terrorists love it?

I know how it's supposed to be hack-proof, but someone made it...an' someone can break into it.  That's my philosophy about computer security everywhere.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:07 pm

exactly quill...what man can make, man can break....

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:37 am

Original Quill wrote:The problem as I see it is with hackers gaining access to the vehicle...wouldn't terrorists love it?

I know how it's supposed to be hack-proof, but someone made it...an' someone can break into it.  That's my philosophy about computer security everywhere.

as opposed to using a steering wheel? Suspect Suspect Suspect

makes little difference, and besides skynet will determine they are terrorists and the vehicle will take them for reprocessing Wink

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:51 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:The problem as I see it is with hackers gaining access to the vehicle...wouldn't terrorists love it?

I know how it's supposed to be hack-proof, but someone made it...an' someone can break into it.  That's my philosophy about computer security everywhere.

as opposed to using a steering wheel? Suspect Suspect Suspect

makes little difference, and besides skynet will determine they are terrorists and the vehicle will take them for reprocessing  Wink

Like Marco from Tropoja said, Good Luck!  Incidentally, Skynet was the terrorist...so you can't expect it to be on our side.

Automobile accidents are random.  And I don't know the probabilities of an accident vs. safe miles driven, but I'll bet it's pretty good.

But a political terrorist who got control of the access code to the automobiles would probably give us 100% of accidents, and certainly be in control of all of the economy, the military and the entire infrastructure.

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Original Quill wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:The problem as I see it is with hackers gaining access to the vehicle...wouldn't terrorists love it?

I know how it's supposed to be hack-proof, but someone made it...an' someone can break into it.  That's my philosophy about computer security everywhere.

as opposed to using a steering wheel? Suspect Suspect Suspect

makes little difference, and besides skynet will determine they are terrorists and the vehicle will take them for reprocessing  Wink

Like Marco from Tropoja said, Good Luck!  Incidentally, Skynet was the terrorist...so you can't expect it to be on our side.

Automobile accidents are random.  And I don't know the probabilities of an accident vs. safe miles driven, but I'll bet it's pretty good.

But a political terrorist who got control of the access code to the automobiles would probably give us 100% of accidents, and certainly be in control of all of the economy, the military and the entire infrastructure.

terrorist or freedom fighter the difference is perspective Wink
All those wall street terrorists fit for reprocessing Twisted Evil
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Post by Original Quill on Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:28 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Like Marco from Tropoja said, Good Luck!  Incidentally, Skynet was the terrorist...so you can't expect it to be on our side.

Automobile accidents are random.  And I don't know the probabilities of an accident vs. safe miles driven, but I'll bet it's pretty good.

But a political terrorist who got control of the access code to the automobiles would probably give us 100% of accidents, and certainly be in control of all of the economy, the military and the entire infrastructure.

terrorist or freedom fighter the difference is perspective Wink
All those wall street terrorists fit for reprocessing Twisted Evil  
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Terrorist or freedom-fighters...those are just names. I'm concerned about the ability of bad guys to do damage.

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