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The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:24 pm

Men and women, some whose clothes were still marked with gray ash, walked dazedly toward Union Square. Many did not know what to do or where to go. So they kept on walking. They knew the country was under attack, but they did not know how bad it was or what might still be heading for them. Behind them lay a changed city and thousands of American dead. Ahead was the bronze statue of George Washington, facing into the devastation and raising his hand to lead his men forward in victory. Around its base, with the destruction of the World Trade Center as their backdrop, leftists had set up shop, coloring anti-war posters even while rescue workers were risking their lives at Ground Zero.


http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/the-lefts-manufactured-Muslim-crisis.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+(from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News)

The article was written clearly by someone on the fringe of the far right and though he made as poor points which would also then aid terrorism, like war with Islam and, importing Islamic terrorist, of which the later would be more accurate to say importing Salfist doctrines like Wahhabism, that have through plenty of financial support hinder integration b y those adherents of this sect and doctrine of Islam. We do not want to be at war with the left either, but give them an almighty slap, no mater if their intentions is due to protect against anti-Muslim bigotry. As that just makes it even worse that defending things wrong, is again defending and aiding islamic terrorism. These groups look to blame the Weest and the left give them so much ammunition, you do at times wonder how if any of them are actually left wing, because they forego any rational thinking to actually reason correctly the root cause which is inherently within Islamic beliefs itself and not instead offer up falsified excuses that if applied to many other conflicts, would be rubbished within minutes

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Re: The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:29 pm

Interesting article even though its by someone of the fringes of the far right and his views also in some cases aid the terrorists. His views that we are at war with Islam and that we should be at war with the left, further aids the terrorists and further divides the west.
His views on importing Islamic terrorism being important could be said of the Irish with importing Irish immigrants, where some were in fact IRA. In fact he makes many poor points but is 100% right in regards to the attitude, tactics and excuses the left uses when we have an Islamic terrorist attack in the west. That he is spot on and there are now numerous examples I will list below to what they left use poorly and what I have been guilty of two in the past myself. In fact some of the left place Anyi-Musllim bigotry, way out of proportion to what is actually suffered by many other groups. Some people defend as I once wrongly did the actual religion Islam, by showing double standards. My intentions were for the good to prevent anti-Muslim bigotry growing, of which it has grown and this is down the rise of Islamic extremism spreading, though its just a resurgence from other periods in the past, all the way back to Muhammad. With even more blame solely center on the left created such poor reasons and excuses, they have tried through very disingenuous tactics to lower the appalling acts of the Taliban and Saddam and the Baathist party to that of a lesser criminal status.

Which is a fine place to start from.
The first absolutely most absurd argument made by the left is in regards to colonialism, which if truth be told there was next to hardly any European colonies after the First World Wat. Whilst I certainly back the motion to reimburse nations that have suffered under colonial rule and that we should look back and learn from past mistakes and see what effect they have today. There is absolutely no reason though why nearly a hundred years after the end of WW1, that this should be a reason to resent and hate the West.
Either within Islam there is great emphasis on revenge until based on a subject point of view they obtain this revenge by a means comparable to where actually many Arabs benefited from the newly found independence with the creation of so many new Nations, which were formed from minority peoples within a former larger Empire. So if they are pissed at that and some of the treaties from 101 years ago like the  Sykes-Picot agreement and you hear the reasons that the left come out with this as to how they perceive it’s a mess. You will just cringe at how fundamentally the left think the British and French should have formed separate smaller nations based only Apartheid lines religiously and ethnically.

For example they claim that the creation of Iraq, with its Sunni, Shia and Kurd groups was a huge Western mistake?

Come again?
You are saying it was wrong to put groups of people whether religiously different or ethnicity as a contributing factor to what basically transpired to the Iraq insurgency. Even though this did actually happen at the end of British rule where people say the opposite an d that the Indian continent should not have been partitioned. You see how the lefties continually conflict, when invented excuses for wrongs done? Sorry it is this kind of inane drivel that would with such methodology blame the current levels of racism, due the North going to war, where if they had no defeated the south, then the US could have segregated into numerous nations based on ethnicity and religion. Now either the professor who claims this (John J. Mearsheimer )is saying Arabs are inherently racist and prejudice and unable to live with people of different faiths and ethnicity? Or is it actually centuries of murder, violence and hate between the two sects and that Islam does not allow for variances of the doctrine, based on both believing they are right. I mean that has to be the most poorest apologetic illogical claim to make. Where everything that is fundamentally important to the real causes of the later sectarian violence in Iraq. Not only is he saying we should not place different sects of Muslims within the same nation, but also that we should never liberate a  nation, whether the reason to go to war was right or not. Should then never happen and that people should then remain under oppression. Its this barbaric illogical bull that the left invent to do anything appease or deflect away any blame to where the real cause and blame is, and that is centuries of hate between two Islamic sects, both who supported and armed the insurgents in Iraq. Of course most people when liberated, they will look to start a new, but this was denied to them, by again a preference over Islam and its control over lands, which I will go into later on. Not only that, how far can you then go back to lay the blame that then the Arabs should have then never aggressively expanded into the whole of the Middle East. See how absurd a reason you cam make when using regressive methodology

So as much as I agree the intentions to invade Iraq were wrong ( I agree that we should have supported the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan) but its aim was to remove a butcher, who had murdered and sent to their deaths hundreds of thousands through crushing uprisings, wars, ethnic cleansing etc. In that aspect the aim was achieved . What you can also say is that the American intelligence service was naïve to think Saudi and Iran would not then try to muscle in and gain control of Iraq. They are at fault for not seeing that coming, but have zero responsibility for  an orchestrated insurgency, with two intended aims. To remove US and allied forces from what is claimed is Muslim lands and regional superiority for either Islamic sect. This all deaths not from direct fire from allied forces can only be attributed to the backers and insurgents themselves who caused mass destruction and death. Now this leads me to just about the worst reasoning the left have ever come out with and there has been a few reports on the number of fatalities that links the invasion as at fault for these invented and inflated Iraq civilians dead , so claimed to have been attributed solely to Iraq Invasion. Its disingenuous, its actual intent is even worse, to make out the west were far worse by an invented casualty level that then exceeds the numbers of murders and deaths by Saddam and the Taliban together. We have many numbers anywhere from 100,000 to 1 million all of which actually cannot be attributed to the invasion. It can only be attributed to those who led the insurgency. Even without the invasion of Iraq, we would have still seen the Arab springs and where with an Iraq with saddam still in power but greatly further weakened would struggle as Assad has to stem the popular uprising. In fact you would have seen two civil wars in tandem and again both Saudi and Iran would have again been controlling the insurgencies. I mean think about that though, the intent of the report is to enlarge a an unfounded monster status, which the Taliban and Saddam have , of which is irrefutable by the evidence of their crimes. To collate the most poorest and weakest  methods, where their estimates instead of gaining support ended up being ridiculed by many experts and academics. The only reason to over inflate deaths is simple. Make out Bush to be the far bigger monster and the west by proxy, further endorsing the naratives of hate against the West.. Now Bush is about the biggest dick going, but to even compare a war of liberation to the cruel acts carried out by the Baathist Party and the Taliban, is nothing short of the worst dishonesty going. Not only that such reports are music to the extremists ears, they have now ammunition to back their stance to make all in the west guilty of a heinous crime, of imagined genocide to the Iraq people. The link below shows how minimal the fatalities was caused directly by the allies. But hey the left will create any bullshit to deflect away any association to Islam. This like I said further aids the narrative of hate against the west and is based on backing the Islamic grievance which is invalid, unless they the methodology to defat and remove a tyrant, is wrong, would then have to render every geographical claim to the lands presently occupied by the many Arab Muslims.

http://markhumphrys.com/iraq.dead.html

The next biggest joke is on when a terrorist attack happens. The bodies are still warn from the shootings in California for example  and the left flood the media, before even the media has any data on the event to give. With fabricated claims to named Far right or White Supremacist  as to being behind the attacks, where the evidence is never credible by posted on social medias. This has to be the poorest pre-emptive strike to ever use, as you are ignoring that 96-98% of terrorist attacks with high casualty ratios are vastly Islamic terrorism. Which would give most people hesitation before boldly posting up hearsay and incorrect claims to the suspects. Again why is this done? In the hope it is for once a Far right terrorist attack, so I am sure 99 times out of 100 they will get it right, but it is worse than that. It is done again as if to make all the worlds Islamic terrorism comparable to the levels of other political, sectarian and religious terrorism. They are attempting to down play the severity of the attack. What is also even more absurd is the reasons and excuses to these attacks, some of which I have mentioned above. This though is why more than anything Islam is a flawed ideology, that it allows people to fundamentally ignore countless Muslims, Christians, etc being murdered in terrorist attacks and be completely inactive to this. Showing how again the narratives steer clear of any Islamic blame, again invented claims, like 9/11 was a set up, carried out by Mossad, the CIA created ISIS. Yes they invent aloud of bullshit to defend and excuses solely in order to deflect away from the real problem that stems from within Islam again. This problem is found within all the Abrahamic faiths, a religious prejudice and discrimination. Where Muslims view other Muslims and brothers and sisters, yet those not Muslim, are rendered thus inferior. This is also clearly true when it comes to Muslims butchering Muslims, as we see no concerted armed groups formed  to defend against these so called extremist group abusers of Islam. We instead see only an outrage vocally more so at some unintended air strike that sadly cost lives./ That is played up to being intentional, claims to women being raped and babies being targeted to be murdered etc. All narratives based all the inventions and lies around another core lie, claiming the west wants to destroy Islam.; As seen the real baby killers and rapist are in fact Muslim terrorists, but they are ignored, being the fact they are viewed even if committing these crimes the lesser evil by simply being Muslim. That is so screwed up, where a belief system forgoes far worse crimes committed, ignoring them, but going off unintentional crimes, where many Muslims themselves fuel these fabricated lies. all in order to defkect away from the actual problems that do stem from within Islam and all because there is very little in variations on beliefs in islam between extremists and non-extremists

It also plays into the Muslim narratives that constantly blame the west and fail at every turn to look within Islam itself to see the core root problem to how ISIS are easily able to recruit people to their cause. As the Islam they follow does not condemn terrorism if it the victims are judged to be guilty of a supposed grievous crime . Where many Muslim scholars also will not condemn terrorism if they view those targeted as condemned for an imagined crime they create. It is not any interpretation over whether terrorism is allowed within Islam. There is nothing that condemns terrorism, where in fact the hadiths endorse what would be considered to terrorist acts by attacking and pillaging trade caravans. That then is not the issue in Islam. Now they may condemn a terrorist act, but they do this, those who oppose and disagree with ISIS. Notice I said disagree. When they view those attacked as innocents. Starting to see the flaw here yet anyone? So where the Paris attacked happened, many Islamic religious leaders and scholars condemned the attack and even wrote a letter , where it did not evern reasoned over terrorist acts, but on how they reason whether someone is guilty or innocent, so this is what they said and wrote to ISIS on this very point.


Second, your use of the word jihad is incorrect and offensive: jihad al-Saghrir is, as you know, war against oppression. The Qur’an and the Prophet are clear on its rules: it is to be used only against those who would force Muslims from their faith or drive you from your home; it is limited to combatants, and forbidden against innocents; the Prophet himself commanded that civilians be protected from war; and you are commanded by the Prophet to seek peace at every opportunity.


So we now begin to see where the problem is and it is fundamentally to do with Islam.
The above does allow armed conflict when suffering under an oppression, forced from their homes, or their faith attacked. Now all 3 points are used by Muslims in a massive majority that cast the Israeli civilian population as being guilty of all the above. So in fact , they have judged the Israel people off yet more lies. This is why you see then condemn the Paris attack, many Muslims and scholars, but you will hear a wisper when it comes to Israel, because they view the Jihad as valid to kill. It then goes off and conflicts badly, based on some very lacking in unreliable sources to what deeds was done by Muhammad. In fact it was the first caliphate that degreed to spare women and children, but Muhammad in some of the other hadiths turns a blind eye to the killing of women and children. Not only that the scholars further conflict when they fail to see that where in countries if they convict and then execute women and children for crimes based on myths, that have no evidence to show any such deity exists. Then the view as to whether women and children are innocent in Islam, is based on whether or not they have been viewed or judged to have committed a mythical religious criminal act. Their own laws renders the claim they have stated to ISIS as redundant, because as seen they execute innocent women and children for in many cases invented religious bullshit crimes.. So when you start to look at the root causes of all these problems they fundamentally stem from within Islam itself, where the biggest problem is that there is  no central authority figure to rule one way or the other. Hence why those who say they follow the true Islam, is based off faith in the documents you read being divinely past on . The documents in a historicity sense are unreliable to say the least and Christianity even though far older has far more older fragments of text and nearer to the time of Christ , than Islam has for a single hadith, as they come centuries later and the Quran could even be older than Muhammad which would then render his message as plagiarism. So when Muslims and the left and I have been guilty of in the past also arguing off what is the true Islam, nobody can prove that they do, they can only reason off how they view and interpret the Islamic documents


My last point is this and what I find appalling and is shown countless times within many debates that Israeli civilians are murdered and you never hear a single condemnation from the usual suspects and why? They believe the attacks have justification. Wrong, they do not have any justification and if we look truly to as claimed by the Islamic scholars on Jihad in their letter ikt is the Palestinians, in 1947, who transgressed and attacked and had been doing so for decades murdering Jews before the creation of Israel in 1948. To then have many Arab nations attack Israel. It was not Israel being the aggressor, thus many people fled their homes because of the conflicts and it is for the above sole reason that no other group in history exploits Palestinian refugees than the Palestinian Authorities and Arab nations. Just so they can justify murdering Israeli civilians and then even worse, which further backs up how they view all Israel as judged guilty. Is that they then glorify the terrorists who attempted murder or those who succeeded as murder civilian’s as martyrs. That shows again how terrorism is not taboo in Islam, only its wrong to kill innocent women and children, even though that conflicts when they deemed women and children guilty of a crime punishable by death.

So why is it then that these same scholars have not written to Hamas and the PLO to point out its wrong to murder innocent women and children

The answer and the biggest problem of all, that they view even the extremists as Muslims and brothers and sisters, no matter how badly they stray off the path, as to them their place as a Muslim is higher than a non-Muslims. It is this religious Apartheid that is the root cause to all the problems within Islam today. Where when these same scholars and religious leaders should be issuing a criminal judgement in absenteeism convicting the terrorist groups of Blasphemy by involving the name of Allah when they kill innocents and issuing countless fatwahs condemning again in absenteeism and judging all members of ISIS as apostates, but only a few progressive Muslim leaders wiil. Which further proves that not only is the vast majority of the problems from bullshit endorsed appeasement by lefties that then back the terrorist arguments of hate, but it’s a web of lies to deflect away from the problematic ideology and verses of Islam, that fundamentally drives the extremist reasoning. Where the religious leaders should be fully separating the extremists from Islam altogether they fundamentally still view them as Muslim, no matter as seen ho grevious their crimes

Here is a link parts of the letter


https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/11/an-open-letter-to-caliph-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi



Its time we started to be vocal and call a spade a spade in regards to Islam, where for far to long many on the left have done everything possible to deny the and deflect away the real reasons and root cause problems with Islamic terrorism


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Re: The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:39 pm

Stormee wrote:Ignored all this as I a fed up with all these ginormous gobbledygook threads.

So maybe that is your issue, and that you are long overdue getting your eyes tested then?

The thread is on how the left in many forms actually aid Islamic terrorism

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Re: The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:48 pm

Stormee wrote:I can't be bothud to engage in such lengthy stuff, Dudge, so boring.
Mind you, tiz your right to do as you wish but please bear in mind our sanity or lack of it in my case. lol

No worries Stumblebum

Ifs its boring then do not comment on the thread as you will only then keep bumping it back up as one of the main topics.

So your whinging is self defeating.

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Re: The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:50 pm

Stormee wrote:Notice the reply from Didge.
He had a dig at me but did not make an innuendo insult or a direct insult, no problem.

Ah now you revert back to using my correct user name lol, when feigning victim status
You jumped in making a claim that could only be down one of three reasons.

One you could not read properly the article which was a clear as day blaming the left, which would be fair to ask if they need their eyes tested.

You are simply not intelligent enough to understand the article

Or you simply jumped in to do nothing more than be argumentative and start a fight with the inane attempt to derail the thread.

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Re: The Left's Manufactured Muslim Crisis

Post by Guest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:11 pm

Stormee wrote:I can't be bothud to engage in such lengthy stuff, Dudge, so boring.
Mind you, tiz your right to do as you wish but please bear in mind our sanity or lack of it in my case. lol

Incorrect user name posted after you jumped in wrongly identifying this thread with gobbledygook, which it is an article based on left appeasement

So you still did not pick one of the following options, which if you did not read the article, would automatically by default render you to option B, as you failed to read it


So B is the winner by default, from your own admission


You jumped in making a claim that could only be down one of three reasons.

a) One you could not read properly the article which was a clear as day blaming the left, which would be fair to ask if they need their eyes tested.

b) You are simply not intelligent enough to understand the article

c) Or you simply jumped in to do nothing more than be argumentative and start a fight with the inane attempt to derail the thread.

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