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Post by Guest on Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:19 pm

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If anyone has lost any will to believe it clearly is you Ben, by the above, where only the other day you were claiming to victor to have faith in humanity of which I do. Never seen such poor pessimism in all my life and off where you continue to allow some on the left to continue to abuse daily. If when asked to deal with things in the first place and you handled them with balance, you would not have some of these issues today. The failing and buck stops with yourself how you handle these situations at the end of the day and if you allow, of which you do people to continually get away breaking the rules, then it stands to reason that will continue. Try leading by example, as I have certainly kept to my promise not to abuse, why not others do the same or just stamp down on when people do, but I have to say the above is very petty and very immature to say the very least. I know some are continually trying to goad me to be abusive but to be honest it just gives me further strengh not to be abusive. But get rid of the above as it shows you in the worst possible light.

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by eddie on Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:30 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:oh but we are "holier than the rest of the world" because we have class Cool
We are envied because of our class. Basketball

lol
If you could get a little more sarcasm and a few swear words in there you could pass for a sheila pirat pirat pirat

Well that has always been a dream of mine Cool

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:33 pm

nicko wrote:The point is,,     Yanks and Aussies are jealous because when God handed out Brains, intelligence and every thing that makes man superior,  Brits were first in his mind,   every one else was an after thought!

But when the great serpent created luck he poured in in abundance on the Aussie
that's why they were sent to the gallows but ended up in paradise
pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:39 pm

korban dallas wrote:There are several areas in which British and American spelling are different. The differences often come about because British English has tended to keep the spelling of words it has absorbed from other languages (e.g. French), while American English has adapted the spelling to reflect the way that the words actually sound when they're spoken.

If you're writing for British readers, you should only use British spellings. In one or two cases, the preferred American spellings are acceptable in British English as well, especially the -ize/-ization endings. While you can use both the -ise/-isation or the -ize/ization endings in British English, it's important to stick to one style or the other throughout the same piece of writing.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/british-and-american-spelling

this is why you should all speak Aussie
we dont give a fuck spell it however just try and make the letters make the approximate sound
and punctuation is for the weak



Plus on class/classy, the fact that the English define class as 'Englishness' is probably why Aussies are so proud to posses 'no class' pirat pirat pirat pirat

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by nicko on Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:45 pm

With you that is quite obvious.
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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Lord Foul on Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:46 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:The point is,,     Yanks and Aussies are jealous because when God handed out Brains, intelligence and every thing that makes man superior,  Brits were first in his mind,   every one else was an after thought!

But when the great serpent created luck he poured in in abundance on the Aussie
that's why they were sent to the gallows but ended up in paradise
pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat pirat


gallows dodgers?? sounds about right

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:27 pm

nicko wrote:With you that is quite obvious.



"Class" or "classy"?

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:34 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
nicko wrote:With you that is quite obvious.



"Class" or "classy"?

Smile


His Mum must love him.

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Post by eddie on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:47 pm

What did Ben Google to get that picture?
I wonder.

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:49 pm

That's not the Hoodie that David Cameron wanted to hug is it?

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:50 pm

Irn Bru wrote:That's not the Hoodie that David Cameron wanted to hug is it?


lol! lol!

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:59 pm

Irn Bru wrote:That's not the Hoodie that David Cameron wanted to hug is it?


affraid dont tell stormee...he'll come over all "offended" affraid

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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:00 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:That's not the Hoodie that David Cameron wanted to hug is it?


affraid dont tell stormee...he'll come over all "offended" affraid


What a shame Twisted Evil Laughing

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:30 pm

nicko wrote:With you that is quite obvious.

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:34 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:With you that is quite obvious.

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

Being a loud-mouthed gobby Aussie is nothing to be proud of.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:58 pm

eddie wrote:What did Ben Google to get that picture?
I wonder.

"chav"

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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:17 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:What did Ben Google to get that picture?
I wonder.

"chav"


Are you saying they aren't 'classy' lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:04 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:With you that is quite obvious.

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

Being a loud-mouthed gobby Aussie is nothing to be proud of.

no
but at least it caries no shame like being English does
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:24 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

Being a loud-mouthed gobby Aussie is nothing to be proud of.

That's unclassy, hon.  You can do better. If the Brits are going to set the standard, at least try to live up to it.

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:29 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

Being a loud-mouthed gobby Aussie is nothing to be proud of.

That's unclassy, hon.  You can do better.  If the Brits are going to set the standard, at least try to live up to it.

Ah, you pesky Californian -- I cast doubt on your ability to "see" the world as right-wingers do.

By these wonderful people's definition, "British" can't help but be "classy," 'cause it's British. Look back to the Bush era, re: America can't help but be right, 'cause it's America.

Your fancy logic doesn't work in that world ...

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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:38 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:What did Ben Google to get that picture?
I wonder.

"chav"


Ah. Well chavs are a minority just like Muslims terrorists are.
Got to be fair Ben Suspect

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:40 am

Why is a chap wearing a baseball cap a "chav" anyway? They all wear them in the US don't they?

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Post by eddie on Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:10 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Hell Yeah and proud of the fact

why on earth would anyone with a brain what to be like a dreary miserable old Englishman.

a less enjoyable life i can hardly imagine, having to spend your days thinking of thing to complain about so you can have 'classy' British conversations.
Making mental lists of whinges you can have about the person you are politely conversing, good old deceitful British class, can't say it to their face, but with typical English Style and grace complain most sternly behind their backs.

Being a loud-mouthed gobby Aussie is nothing to be proud of.

That's unclassy, hon.  You can do better.  If the Brits are going to set the standard, at least try to live up to it.

Ah, you pesky Californian -- I cast doubt on your ability to "see" the world as right-wingers do.

By these wonderful people's definition, "British" can't help but be "classy," 'cause it's British. Look back to the Bush era, re: America can't help but be right, 'cause it's America.

Your fancy logic doesn't work in that world ...

Isn't it funny that the word "class" (which was obviously tongue in cheek) has hit a very raw nerve? affraid

It's ok. This English lady has enough class for y'all.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:21 am

its like archeology

neither the states not australia has any (other than native ...which they ignore)

same with class......

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:44 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Ah, you pesky Californian -- I cast doubt on your ability to "see" the world as right-wingers do.

By these wonderful people's definition, "British" can't help but be "classy," 'cause it's British. Look back to the Bush era, re: America can't help but be right, 'cause it's America.

Your fancy logic doesn't work in that world ...

Well, if it's between right- and left-wingers, that's easy.  LWers accept and applaud the notion of community.  RWers champion individualism.  The devil is in the consequences.

While the LWer looks over all the problems within the community, and seeks out answers, the Rwer seeks to preserve and grow his individualism and individual possessions, and seeks selfishness.  The LW sees mankind as creative, expressive and wonderful; the RWer sees mankind as evil, selfish (self-reflection?) and in need of constraints.  The LWer embraces the responsibilities of society; the RW seeks to avoid them.

Take taxes...the LW sees them as a means to creatively better the human condition.  The RW sees them as levies on personal wealth, by evil-minded freeloaders, and seeks to minimize them.  The same with government: The LWer sees it as a tool for betterment of mankind; the RWer sees it as a loss of freedom to do whatever the individual wants, regardless of who it hurts.

The RWer sees government in terms of its power, and funds a huge military when it won't even fund hospitals.  Both war and sickness are challenges to humankind, but only the military holds the potential to accumulate more land and more resources.  RWers care nothing about human well-being, save of course, their own, and they they see the military as a means to expand.  What do RWers love most of all?  War, of course.  They'll waste all of their resources on a war machine, and view it almost as an investment.

The LWer cares very much about mankind and fellow man, and is extremely concerned about anyone who suffers.  The LW is not always defensive...he is in favor of arts and industry, and views such things as 'great works' of achievement if only mankind is freed of constraints.  The great libraries and universities, not to mention museums and inventions, discoveries and thoughts, are the product of LWers.

LWers love thinking, and the products that it produces.  RWers are worriers, thinking only of how to accumulate and stash away.  LWers love and are fascinated by the new, the changes, and the improvements that changes make on their lives and on the lives of their fellows.  RW see the new, and the changes, as a potential disruption on their stashes and their way of life.

In America, we have two documents, representing both the LW and the RW.  The first is the Declaration of Independence, reflecting optimism and a brighter future.  The Declaration, based upon Rousseauian principles,  heralds the greatness of man, and his wonderful potential...it is the LW document: "We hold these truths to be seif-evident...That all men are created equal...And they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...Among these, Life, liberty and the Pursuit of happiness."  

The Constitution of the United States is the RW document...as it tries to lock in mankind with laws and restraints.  Remember, the RWer lives in fear of evil mankind, which would take all he has selfishly accumulated away from him.  The Constitution sees man as potentially evil and attempts to build walls, barriers and bound man on all sides.  It is the system of laws and restraints.  The only optimism that you see in the Constitution is that which forms the basis of the name given to LWers...it's emphasis on liberty.  The Amendments, particularly the first 15, are statements of the liberties, and they were conceived and written by the liberal, Thomas Jefferson.

So the US has two foundings: a LW and a RW.  It has two documents associated with those foundings.  And it attempts to live within the parameters of the two, with constant internal struggles.  It appears that the LW always wins out, as does progress.  We go from religion to secular society; from status to contract; from restraint to liberal freedom.  It's not always easy...we still want to lock up wrongdoers, we still hate the stranger, we don't like people with different color skin, or eyes, or beliefs...but we march forward and those things change.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:33 pm

People don't want more of the same and didn't want it in the first place!!!

But some still try to argue that voting for anything different to more of the same is voting for some 'far right Nazi' type politics when it is nothing of the sort!


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:23 pm

Lord Foul wrote:its like archeology

neither the states not australia has any (other than native ...which they ignore)  

same with class......

It's ok

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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:26 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:its like archeology

neither the states not australia has any (other than native ...which they ignore)  

same with class......

It's ok

Australaia and the USA may have no hisotry but UK and Europe have no future  Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz


Now that that made me hoot, clever Veya, very clever lol

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:55 pm

Well as uk will be coming out of the EU dictatorship soon... you are right that the UK and Eu future is doubtful...

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:46 pm

NewsFix is a place for miserable people who have no lives to pointlessly scream at one another. Civil debate is nowhere to be found here. Sign up today, if you're a masochist!


Feel free to get personal, use offensive terminology and advance a worldview that promotes sectarianism, violence and hopelessness. Flaunt our rules listed here.


Contact the admin team with any underhanded attempts to get your enemies banned.

In all honesty this is why I am rarely here now. It's the same people abusing each other for their opinions rather than trying to counter arguments.

No respect for each other as human beings, insults rather than discussion. Point scoring, getting personal, it's deadly dull and cringing to watch.

No fun, no feelthelove

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:53 pm

Happy New Year FTL

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:55 pm

Didge wrote:Happy New Year FTL

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:59 pm

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In all honesty this is why I am rarely here now. It's the same people abusing each other for their opinions rather than trying to counter arguments.

No respect for each other as human beings, insults rather than discussion. Point scoring, getting personal, it's deadly dull and cringing to watch.

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Happy 2016, life is for living, learning, loving.  Hope to see more of that here.  Less of the RW/LW abuse x

I know I'd be a lot happier if this place could be a positive thing in its members lives. Let's be informative, share helpful information, debate interesting issues and avoid personal fighting, flame wars and, in my dearest hope, the excessive negativity that a few members here apparently think you have to project in order not to seem naive or uncool.

Being cynical does not make you mature!

People pride themselves on being cynical because they think it makes them street-smart and sharp-eyed, able to see the truth behind everyone's bullshit. If it's a matter of being skeptical, and always thinking and asking questions, that's not a bad thing.

But a real wise person of the world keeps looking for all the angles ... They look for all sides of the story instead of assuming there are only two. Being proud that you are able to jump to a negative answer quickly -- that's just something most people figure out by turning 14.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:21 pm

I find it infinitely depressing when you get the islamaphobic crowd gather, I nornally just take myself off at that point.  Especially the hypocrites who pretend they are not racist and then come out with the worst racism of all.

Love the tumbleweed btw, that should be in the 'relaxing gifs'!

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:22 pm

sassy wrote:I find it infinitely depressing when you get the islamaphobic crowd gather, I nornally just take myself off at that point.  Especially the hypocrites who pretend they are not racist and then come out with the worst racism of all.

Love the tumbleweed btw, that should be in the 'relaxing gifs'!

I thought you liked Victor. Laughing

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I find it infinitely depressing when you get the islamaphobic crowd gather, I nornally just take myself off at that point.  Especially the hypocrites who pretend they are not racist and then come out with the worst racism of all.

Love the tumbleweed btw, that should be in the 'relaxing gifs'!

I thought you liked Victor. Laughing

I do, but when he goes on and on like that I simply go and do something else, that way I don't batter him.

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
feelthelove wrote:

In all honesty this is why I am rarely here now. It's the same people abusing each other for their opinions rather than trying to counter arguments.

No respect for each other as human beings, insults rather than discussion. Point scoring, getting personal, it's deadly dull and cringing to watch.

No fun, no feelthelove

Happy 2016, life is for living, learning, loving.  Hope to see more of that here.  Less of the RW/LW abuse x

I know I'd be a lot happier if this place could be a positive thing in its members lives. Let's be informative, share helpful information, debate interesting issues and avoid personal fighting, flame wars and, in my dearest hope, the excessive negativity that a few members here apparently think you have to project in order not to seem naive or uncool.

Being cynical does not make you mature!

People pride themselves on being cynical because they think it makes them street-smart and sharp-eyed, able to see the truth behind everyone's bullshit. If it's a matter of being skeptical, and always thinking and asking questions, that's not a bad thing.

But a real wise person of the world keeps looking for all the angles ... They look for all sides of the story instead of assuming there are only two. Being proud that you are able to jump to a negative answer quickly -- that's just something most people figure out by turning 14.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/


what a load of old coblers Razz

comming here has merely INCREASED my cynicism, or rather it has confirmed that the degree of cynicism I have is about right Laughing
thing is ben..I ask a lot of questions......
and get evasions as answers
principally I suppose becasue a lot of questions I ask are perhaps unanswerable without the person I'm questioning compromising their cherished belief.

free debate is by any measure going to be noisy fractious and at times ill manered

those involved will invariably be self opinionated, often proud, and inevitably strong willed

the fact that you can hold this place in some semblence of order, given the above should be seen by all as a tribute to not only your good management but your good sense in choice of moderators (even if that includes that antipodean hobgoblin)

dont let us argumentative brits get under your skin....Its what we are...we argue blacks white and that france is english soil.....and out of it all comes the biggest aid package per capita going...

the great thing is...you can be sure EVERY aspect of that has been very very minutely examined and vehemently argued over.

you should also consider that being called a moron whilst argueing with a brit is NOT a deadly insult...its merely a sign of exasperation .... Laughing


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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I find it infinitely depressing when you get the islamaphobic crowd gather, I nornally just take myself off at that point.  Especially the hypocrites who pretend they are not racist and then come out with the worst racism of all.

Love the tumbleweed btw, that should be in the 'relaxing gifs'!

I thought you liked Victor. Laughing

shove off yer barmy old bat

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:26 pm

The truth must be wrong because the truth is not politically correct!!!


http://www.thelocal.de/20160115/town-bans-asylum-seekers-from-pools-after-spate-of-harassment



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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:27 pm

On your marks, get set - go.

Their off, lol

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:30 pm

The lefties way is to hide the inconvenient truth... look the other way... pretend it isn't happening...



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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The truth must be wrong because the truth is not politically correct!!!


http://www.thelocal.de/20160115/town-bans-asylum-seekers-from-pools-after-spate-of-harassment



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feeling lonely tommy?

need to duplicate posts all over the board?

take a chill pill.......

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:53 pm

No... was just relevant to topic here... and also deserved a thread...


Care to comment on the news story rather than talk about me...!?

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:55 pm

Errr - this thread is about Ben losing the plot, it ain't a news thread, so toddle along Tommy, cos it ain't about you either lol

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Re: Newsfix owner loses the plot

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:02 pm

It became relevant to discussion on this thread... but as not really part of topic is reason why I created a separate thread for the story!



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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:03 pm

Yawn

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