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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:45 am

AFTER eating all the dogs and cats, the skeletal residents of Madaya have reportedy begun making grass soup.

So desperate is the situation in the besieged Syrian town near the capital Damascus, starving townsfolk — some 40,000 of them — are braving landmines and snipers to scrounge for food despite a rare ceasefire deal that was meant to allow aid to enter.

“We’ve forgotten what bread tastes like,” 27-year-old Mohamed told AFP from the town near the Lebanese border.

People trapped in Madaya are starving to death, Mohamed and other residents said in interviews, and few have any hope.

“The situation has become very tragic,” he said.

Syria’s government gave permission overnight for UN aid deliveries to three besieged towns, including Madaya, which has been cut off by Syrian government forces who have planted landmines all around it in an ongoing battle with anti-goverment rebels.

Both Madaya and neighbouring Zabadani are under the control of a loose alliance of opposition forces, including secular rebels and Islamist groups.

They are encircled by regime forces, and last year were part of a deal, along with two rebel-besieged villages in northwestern Syria, to allow aid in and the exit of civilians and the wounded.

But so far Madaya has seen only a one-off aid delivery three months ago, and residents, activists, and aid agencies describe dire conditions in the town now.

“There’s nothing to eat anymore. Nothing but water has entered my mouth for two days,” 32-year-old Momina said.

“We just want someone to tell us if help is coming or not because we have nothing here.” Mohamed said the cost of what food was available was astronomical. “The situation has become very tragic. Very little can be smuggled in, so the prices of food are extremely high,” he said.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:48 am

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AFTER eating all the dogs and cats, the skeletal residents of Madaya have reportedy begun making grass soup.

So desperate is the situation in the besieged Syrian town near the capital Damascus, starving townsfolk — some 40,000 of them — are braving landmines and snipers to scrounge for food despite a rare ceasefire deal that was meant to allow aid to enter.

“We’ve forgotten what bread tastes like,” 27-year-old Mohamed told AFP from the town near the Lebanese border.

People trapped in Madaya are starving to death, Mohamed and other residents said in interviews, and few have any hope.

“The situation has become very tragic,” he said.

Syria’s government gave permission overnight for UN aid deliveries to three besieged towns, including Madaya, which has been cut off by Syrian government forces who have planted landmines all around it in an ongoing battle with anti-goverment rebels.

Both Madaya and neighbouring Zabadani are under the control of a loose alliance of opposition forces, including secular rebels and Islamist groups.

They are encircled by regime forces, and last year were part of a deal, along with two rebel-besieged villages in northwestern Syria, to allow aid in and the exit of civilians and the wounded.

But so far Madaya has seen only a one-off aid delivery three months ago, and residents, activists, and aid agencies describe dire conditions in the town now.

“There’s nothing to eat anymore. Nothing but water has entered my mouth for two days,” 32-year-old Momina said.

“We just want someone to tell us if help is coming or not because we have nothing here.” Mohamed said the cost of what food was available was astronomical. “The situation has become very tragic. Very little can be smuggled in, so the prices of food are extremely high,” he said.

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you know its shit like this that makes me ashamed to be human

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Post by captain on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:52 am

@korban dallas Or remotely connected to the people who are making a lot of cash through this ethnic cleansing.Mad  Those poor people will think we just do not care. Sad
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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:54 am

captainJane wrote:@korban dallas Or remotely connected to the people who are funding this ethnic cleansing.Mad  Those poor people willl think we just do not care. Rolling Eyes
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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:12 am

Been listening and reading about it, unfortunately it is not the only place in Syria where this total desperation is happening.  It breaks your heart.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:18 am

And can anyone tell me what Islamist groups is surrounding this town?

I will give you a clue, it begins with H.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:33 am

Pawel Krzysiek, spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross who entered Madaya during the last aid delivery, told AFP that the situation was so dire that mothers could not lactate. “They are malnourished, they are scared. There is no way to feed newborns and the young babies.”

What is seen by pro-regime forces as an attempt to pressure opposition fighters in the nearby town of Al-Zabadani constitutes a humanitarian catastrophe whereby thousands of people are slowly starving to death.


“Unless aid reaches the town in the next few days, there will be mass graves in Madaya,” Times fixer Bourhan warned, saying the only solution to curb the mounting death toll is “an international effort to put pressure on governments and the UN to unite and take the necessary measures that can put pressure on the Assad regime and Hezbollah to break the siege.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/23204-hezbollah-assad-fighting-forces-syrians-to-eat-grass-to-survive

And civilians caught in the middle again.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:38 am

Again guess who has this town surrounded.

Begins with a H

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:48 am

They don't have to guess, put it in my post.  Government Forces and Hezbollah.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:49 am

Sorry who is it that Islamist group begins with H Sassy?

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:53 am

Horror of the starving Syrians cut off from the world: People living in three towns under siege from Assad forces and rebels are forced to eat cats, dogs and grass as food supplies are unable to reach them

  • Madaya near Damascus has been under siege by Assad's troops since July
  • Activists say desperate residents have resorted to eating domestic animals
  • Some have been killed by snipers or landmines while scavenging for food
  • Foua and Kfarya have been under attack from rebels for more than a year
  • Victims also forced to have surgery without anesthetic due to lack of drugs


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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:55 am

And who is responsible?
Islamists again.
Quelle surprise.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:02 pm

You obviously can't read.

Quelle surprise

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:06 pm

I can read very well, its Islamists again.
Quelle surprise
In fact in all of the conflicts around the world, how many are not by Islamists?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:46 pm

Hezbollah Starving 40,000 Civilians: Media AWOL



Forty thousand civilians in the southwestern Syrian town of Madaya, near the Lebanese border, have been slowly starving as the result of a six-month siege by Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terror group. Yet, major U.S. news outlets largely have failed to cover the encirclement of what in more peaceful times was a well-known mountain resort.

Reports that are emerging—largely from non-U.S. outlets—paint a grim picture.

According to The Independent (U.K.), denizens of Madaya have resorted to eating wild plants, insects and pets such as cats and dogs. Madaya has been cut off “for almost 200 days and it has been months since aid was last allowed into the town (“War in Syria:Up to 40,000 civilians are starving in besieged Madaya, say campaigners,” Jan. 1, 2016).”

Food reportedly ran out 200 days ago and electricity has been cut off.

The Independent reports that “around 20 men have so far perished from starvation” and “850 infants [are] in urgent need of milk, while six newborn babies have died because their mothers were unable to feed them.”

Another U.K. paper, The Mirror (“Inside Madaya,” January 6), shows a picture of what it describes as a starving man eating trash “in a desperate bid to survive” in a “Syrian town where 40,000 people are starving to death.”

To combat starvation, Madaya residents are attempting to sell belongings such as vehicles, for rice and baby milk formula. Those seeking to flee are faced with land mines and sniper fire from Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim Iranian-funded terrorist movement.

Hezbollah is “effectively holding civilians hostage in order to gain leverage over two embattled Shia towns in Syria's northern Idlib province.” According to The Independent, those two towns, Kafrayya and Fua, are under siege by members of the Sunni Muslim group Jaysh al-Fatah (Army of Conquest), which is battling elements supporting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

Kyle Orton, a British analyst and associate fellow at the think tank Henry Jackson Society, runs a blog called The Syrian Intifada. He describes Jaysh al-Fatah as an umbrella group composed of Liwa al-Haq, Ajnad a-Sham, Jaysh al-Sunna, Ahrar a-Sham and the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda, Jabhat an-Nusra. Hezbollah has been fighting in the Syrian civil war on the side of Assad, along with forces from its benefactor, Iran.

According to Phillip Smyth a researcher at the University of Maryland who specializes in Shi'ite militias:

“Since the Syrian uprising began in 2011, Shiite Islamist Iran and its proxies, namely Lebanese Hezbollah and a collection of Iraqi Shia Islamist militias backed by Iran, have not only offered their diplomatic and political support, but beginning in 2012 have supplied fighters to assist in bolstering the rule of Syria's Alawite leader, Bashar al-Assad (The Shiite Jihad in Syria and Its Regional Effects, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 2015).”

Some news outlets, such as the BBC (“‘Weeks' to save thousands from starvation in Syrian town,” January 5), Vice News (“‘Children are Eating Leaves off the Trees': The Nightmare of The Siege of Madaya, Syria,” January 4), and the Associated Press (“Besieged Syrian villages run short of food, medicine,” January 5) have reported on the siege of Madaya. However, coverage in major U.S. media has been largely absent.

A Lexis-Nexis search of The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Washington Times, USA Today, The Baltimore Sun, among others, shows no articles on the siege.

A lone mention of the situation in the northwestern Syrian town appears in three sentences in a New York Times article (“Evacuations Aim to Ease Path to Talks in Syria War,” Dec. 29, 2015) about towns being evacuated in the Syrian civil war. The Times reports that Madaya is “besieged by pro-government forces” and notes that the city was not included in a United Nations and International Committee of the Red Cross brokered deal meant to allow for evacuations of opposing sides in the Syrian civil war.

Despite not being part of that deal, the AP reported that food was supposed to be sent by the United Nations to the town but had not yet arrived—and a previous shipment in October consisted of expired nutrition biscuits. According to Hussain Abdul Hussain, a reporter with Al Rai (a Kuwait daily), the U.N. has said that the Assad regime refused its request to send food to Madaya.

In contrast to coverage of Madaya, the siege by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS or the Islamic State) of the northern Syrian town of Kobani (Sept. 13, 2014-Jan. 27, 2015) received far greater media attention—a Lexis Nexis search of U.S. newspapers and wires shows more than 3,000 results. Unlike Madaya, Kobani is near the Turkish border and thus is perhaps somewhat more accessible to coverage in a region in which reporters and the information they provide are increasingly subject to suppression and violence, or manipulation by terror groups and authoritarian regimes.

Nevertheless, Madaya has faced an apparently deadly blockade by Hezbollah and pro-Assad forces for months, and is not far from the Lebanese capital, Beirut, a base for many foreign correspondents, Where's the coverage?


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=3211

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Post by Irn Bru on Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:09 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:Hezbollah Starving 40,000 Civilians: Media AWOL



Forty thousand civilians in the southwestern Syrian town of Madaya, near the Lebanese border, have been slowly starving as the result of a six-month siege by Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terror group. Yet, major U.S. news outlets largely have failed to cover the encirclement of what in more peaceful times was a well-known mountain resort.

Reports that are emerging—largely from non-U.S. outlets—paint a grim picture.

According to The Independent (U.K.), denizens of Madaya have resorted to eating wild plants, insects and pets such as cats and dogs. Madaya has been cut off “for almost 200 days and it has been months since aid was last allowed into the town (“War in Syria:Up to 40,000 civilians are starving in besieged Madaya, say campaigners,” Jan. 1, 2016).”

Food reportedly ran out 200 days ago and electricity has been cut off.

The Independent reports that “around 20 men have so far perished from starvation” and “850 infants [are] in urgent need of milk, while six newborn babies have died because their mothers were unable to feed them.”

Another U.K. paper, The Mirror (“Inside Madaya,” January 6), shows a picture of what it describes as a starving man eating trash “in a desperate bid to survive” in a “Syrian town where 40,000 people are starving to death.”

To combat starvation, Madaya residents are attempting to sell belongings such as vehicles, for rice and baby milk formula. Those seeking to flee are faced with land mines and sniper fire from Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim Iranian-funded terrorist movement.

Hezbollah is “effectively holding civilians hostage in order to gain leverage over two embattled Shia towns in Syria's northern Idlib province.” According to The Independent, those two towns, Kafrayya and Fua, are under siege by members of the Sunni Muslim group Jaysh al-Fatah (Army of Conquest), which is battling elements supporting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

Kyle Orton, a British analyst and associate fellow at the think tank Henry Jackson Society, runs a blog called The Syrian Intifada. He describes Jaysh al-Fatah as an umbrella group composed of Liwa al-Haq, Ajnad a-Sham, Jaysh al-Sunna, Ahrar a-Sham and the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda, Jabhat an-Nusra. Hezbollah has been fighting in the Syrian civil war on the side of Assad, along with forces from its benefactor, Iran.

According to Phillip Smyth a researcher at the University of Maryland who specializes in Shi'ite militias:

“Since the Syrian uprising began in 2011, Shiite Islamist Iran and its proxies, namely Lebanese Hezbollah and a collection of Iraqi Shia Islamist militias backed by Iran, have not only offered their diplomatic and political support, but beginning in 2012 have supplied fighters to assist in bolstering the rule of Syria's Alawite leader, Bashar al-Assad (The Shiite Jihad in Syria and Its Regional Effects, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 2015).”

Some news outlets, such as the BBC (“‘Weeks' to save thousands from starvation in Syrian town,” January 5), Vice News (“‘Children are Eating Leaves off the Trees': The Nightmare of The Siege of Madaya, Syria,” January 4), and the Associated Press (“Besieged Syrian villages run short of food, medicine,” January 5) have reported on the siege of Madaya. However, coverage in major U.S. media has been largely absent.

A Lexis-Nexis search of The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Washington Times, USA Today, The Baltimore Sun, among others, shows no articles on the siege.

A lone mention of the situation in the northwestern Syrian town appears in three sentences in a New York Times article (“Evacuations Aim to Ease Path to Talks in Syria War,” Dec. 29, 2015) about towns being evacuated in the Syrian civil war. The Times reports that Madaya is “besieged by pro-government forces” and notes that the city was not included in a United Nations and International Committee of the Red Cross brokered deal meant to allow for evacuations of opposing sides in the Syrian civil war.

Despite not being part of that deal, the AP reported that food was supposed to be sent by the United Nations to the town but had not yet arrived—and a previous shipment in October consisted of expired nutrition biscuits. According to Hussain Abdul Hussain, a reporter with Al Rai (a Kuwait daily), the U.N. has said that the Assad regime refused its request to send food to Madaya.

In contrast to coverage of Madaya, the siege by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS or the Islamic State) of the northern Syrian town of Kobani (Sept. 13, 2014-Jan. 27, 2015) received far greater media attention—a Lexis Nexis search of U.S. newspapers and wires shows more than 3,000 results. Unlike Madaya, Kobani is near the Turkish border and thus is perhaps somewhat more accessible to coverage in a region in which reporters and the information they provide are increasingly subject to suppression and violence, or manipulation by terror groups and authoritarian regimes.

Nevertheless, Madaya has faced an apparently deadly blockade by Hezbollah and pro-Assad forces for months, and is not far from the Lebanese capital, Beirut, a base for many foreign correspondents, Where's the coverage?


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=3211

I think that's what Sassy made clear was already in the article.

You appear to be interested in laying blame about this than caring about the prople starving to death.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:19 pm

Aid to reach starving Syrian town of Madaya by Monday
Red Cross says delivery logistics are being finalised after Syrian government agreed to let aid in amid global outrage


Aid deliveries bringing food, medical supplies and blankets to three towns in Syria where residents say they are starving to death will begin by Sunday or Monday, a Red Cross official has said.
The official called for humanitarian organisations to be granted unimpeded access to all areas under siege in Syria, saying one-off deliveries were not enough to prevent civilians from starving.
“We were granted access yesterday [Thursday] but the operation won’t happen before Sunday or Monday,” said Pawel Krzysiek, the International Committee for the Red Cross (ICRC) spokesman in Syria. “We are sorting out a few details.”
“This time it’s a bigger drop,” he added. “The ICRC is bringing food, medicines, and non-food goods such as blankets and hygiene kits. It will go to Madaya and at the same time to Fua and Kefraya.”

The last aid delivery to the three towns, which are under siege by pro-government and opposition forces, took place in October.
“What we have seen and heard in Zabadani, Madaya, Fua and Kefraya during our visit in October was that people were hungry and there was not enough food,” said Krzysiek.
“We must be granted unimpeded access to all besieged areas on a regular basis as the one-time drops will never be enough considering the desperate situation of people who have been cut off from essential supplies for months.”

On Thursday, the UN said the Syrian government had agreed to allow aid into Madaya as well as Fua and Kefraya, after images of emaciated children and starving men from the first town sparked global outrage and condemnation.
Madaya, located 1,300 metres above sea level in a mountainous region straddling the border with Lebanon, is home to 30,000 people who have been under siege since July, as part of a complicated power play.
Their fate is tied to Fua and Kefraya, two Shia villages in northern Syria besieged by rebels belonging to a coalition called Jaysh al-Fateh. Backers of the government and the rebels are attempting to orchestrate a population swap but it has been repeatedly delayed.
Médecins sans Frontières said on Thursday night that 23 people had died of starvation in Madaya since 1 December.
Residents told the Guardian in interviews that people have been forced to scour minefields for grass to eat along with tree leaves and water flavoured with spices to stave off starvation. Prices of staples have skyrocketed amid the siege, with a kilogram of rice costing around $250.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/08/aid-deliveries-to-starving-syrian-town-madaya-to-begin-by-monday?CMP=share_btn_tw


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Irn Bru wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:Hezbollah Starving 40,000 Civilians: Media AWOL



Forty thousand civilians in the southwestern Syrian town of Madaya, near the Lebanese border, have been slowly starving as the result of a six-month siege by Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terror group. Yet, major U.S. news outlets largely have failed to cover the encirclement of what in more peaceful times was a well-known mountain resort.

Reports that are emerging—largely from non-U.S. outlets—paint a grim picture.

According to The Independent (U.K.), denizens of Madaya have resorted to eating wild plants, insects and pets such as cats and dogs. Madaya has been cut off “for almost 200 days and it has been months since aid was last allowed into the town (“War in Syria:Up to 40,000 civilians are starving in besieged Madaya, say campaigners,” Jan. 1, 2016).”

Food reportedly ran out 200 days ago and electricity has been cut off.

The Independent reports that “around 20 men have so far perished from starvation” and “850 infants [are] in urgent need of milk, while six newborn babies have died because their mothers were unable to feed them.”

Another U.K. paper, The Mirror (“Inside Madaya,” January 6), shows a picture of what it describes as a starving man eating trash “in a desperate bid to survive” in a “Syrian town where 40,000 people are starving to death.”

To combat starvation, Madaya residents are attempting to sell belongings such as vehicles, for rice and baby milk formula. Those seeking to flee are faced with land mines and sniper fire from Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim Iranian-funded terrorist movement.

Hezbollah is “effectively holding civilians hostage in order to gain leverage over two embattled Shia towns in Syria's northern Idlib province.” According to The Independent, those two towns, Kafrayya and Fua, are under siege by members of the Sunni Muslim group Jaysh al-Fatah (Army of Conquest), which is battling elements supporting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

Kyle Orton, a British analyst and associate fellow at the think tank Henry Jackson Society, runs a blog called The Syrian Intifada. He describes Jaysh al-Fatah as an umbrella group composed of Liwa al-Haq, Ajnad a-Sham, Jaysh al-Sunna, Ahrar a-Sham and the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda, Jabhat an-Nusra. Hezbollah has been fighting in the Syrian civil war on the side of Assad, along with forces from its benefactor, Iran.

According to Phillip Smyth a researcher at the University of Maryland who specializes in Shi'ite militias:

“Since the Syrian uprising began in 2011, Shiite Islamist Iran and its proxies, namely Lebanese Hezbollah and a collection of Iraqi Shia Islamist militias backed by Iran, have not only offered their diplomatic and political support, but beginning in 2012 have supplied fighters to assist in bolstering the rule of Syria's Alawite leader, Bashar al-Assad (The Shiite Jihad in Syria and Its Regional Effects, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 2015).”

Some news outlets, such as the BBC (“‘Weeks' to save thousands from starvation in Syrian town,” January 5), Vice News (“‘Children are Eating Leaves off the Trees': The Nightmare of The Siege of Madaya, Syria,” January 4), and the Associated Press (“Besieged Syrian villages run short of food, medicine,” January 5) have reported on the siege of Madaya. However, coverage in major U.S. media has been largely absent.

A Lexis-Nexis search of The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Washington Times, USA Today, The Baltimore Sun, among others, shows no articles on the siege.

A lone mention of the situation in the northwestern Syrian town appears in three sentences in a New York Times article (“Evacuations Aim to Ease Path to Talks in Syria War,” Dec. 29, 2015) about towns being evacuated in the Syrian civil war. The Times reports that Madaya is “besieged by pro-government forces” and notes that the city was not included in a United Nations and International Committee of the Red Cross brokered deal meant to allow for evacuations of opposing sides in the Syrian civil war.

Despite not being part of that deal, the AP reported that food was supposed to be sent by the United Nations to the town but had not yet arrived—and a previous shipment in October consisted of expired nutrition biscuits. According to Hussain Abdul Hussain, a reporter with Al Rai (a Kuwait daily), the U.N. has said that the Assad regime refused its request to send food to Madaya.

In contrast to coverage of Madaya, the siege by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS or the Islamic State) of the northern Syrian town of Kobani (Sept. 13, 2014-Jan. 27, 2015) received far greater media attention—a Lexis Nexis search of U.S. newspapers and wires shows more than 3,000 results. Unlike Madaya, Kobani is near the Turkish border and thus is perhaps somewhat more accessible to coverage in a region in which reporters and the information they provide are increasingly subject to suppression and violence, or manipulation by terror groups and authoritarian regimes.

Nevertheless, Madaya has faced an apparently deadly blockade by Hezbollah and pro-Assad forces for months, and is not far from the Lebanese capital, Beirut, a base for many foreign correspondents, Where's the coverage?


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=3211

I think that's what Sassy made clear was already in the article.

You appear to be interested in laying blame about this than caring about the prople starving to death.

Sorry what is the group called that has been laying siege to this twon for months?
You then make an absurd claim to deflect a point I am making, on how again Islamists place the life of people second to death and their cause.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:34 pm

I have all the sympathies in the world but why are these poor, starving people still having babies??

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Post by nicko on Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:54 pm

Eddie, could sat same about all the starving kids in Africa, why do they keep having them?

An hand out of millions of condoms would be a start.

If that happened the Pope would go ballistic.
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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:02 pm

nicko wrote:Eddie,  could sat same about all the starving kids in Africa,   why do they keep having them?

An hand out of millions of condoms would be a start.

If that happened the Pope would go ballistic.


Two major reasons when it comes to Africa Nicko.
One that the Europeans created an elite system that was centred on Victorian Britain, that left many people losing skills they had to be near enslaved to work for European masters. Basically it has left many still today without basic education, all of which only ever benefited an elite within African society. The second is the religious aspect, that plays heavily on societies that for centuries were very superstitious. Again education being the key. If you look back at Victorian England, the birth rate was staggering. So that is how best to view the situation, which is improving but will take decades to fix and resolve, after the damaging legacy left behind from the Europeans. We never tauight them any real democracy, but how an elite could control a whole society and take them for near everything they had.

As to people in Syria, it actually mnakes more sense to have children, in order to survive, where there is so much death. That is why people will continue to reproduce in such a dire and grim situation. Even babies were born in concentration camps, because people fundementally still have and look for hope. That is why more than anything it makes even more sense why people have children in such conflict zones, as it is in order to survive.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:04 pm

eddie wrote:I have all the sympathies in the world but why are these poor, starving people still having babies??

I asked a similar question once, and I got jumped on by several people.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:12 pm

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eddie wrote:I have all the sympathies in the world but why are these poor, starving people still having babies??

I asked a similar question once, and I got jumped on by several people.


Attenion seeking or sympathy vote?
Sorry rags who cares, I am not jumping on you and have given you some answers as to why.
The above does nothing for the debate, seriously.
If people have jumped on you for this, is up to them, but its best to reason your points, do you not agree

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:14 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I asked a similar question once, and I got jumped on by several people.


Attenion seeking or sympathy vote?
Sorry rags who cares, I am not jumping on you and have given you some answers as to why.
The above does nothing for the debate, seriously.
If people have jumped on you for this, is up to them, but its best to reason your points, do you not agree

I wasn't referring to you, and I wasn't replying to you either. I don't care if you don't like my post - you don't own this forum.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:17 pm

why is this thread in the "loft" ?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:17 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Attenion seeking or sympathy vote?
Sorry rags who cares, I am not jumping on you and have given you some answers as to why.
The above does nothing for the debate, seriously.
If people have jumped on you for this, is up to them, but its best to reason your points, do you not agree

I wasn't referring to you, and I wasn't replying to you either. I don't care if you don't like my post - you don't own this forum.


But I am fundementally repying to you Rags, as your post was looking for sympathy and thus distracting from  the debate. You do not have to be interested in my answers but,Seriously, some people jumped on you for a comment none of us know what you actually said but you claims is the same.
Whoopdeedoo.
Get over it and get back to the debate please

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:20 pm

Lord Foul wrote:why is this thread in the "loft" ?

Good question. Ben usually likes threads to be in the correct section.

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:
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I wasn't referring to you, and I wasn't replying to you either. I don't care if you don't like my post - you don't own this forum.


But I am fundementally repying to you Rags, as your post was looking for sympathy and thus distracting from  the debate. You do not have to be interested in my answers but,Seriously, some people jumped on you for a comment none of us know what you actually said but you claims is the same.
Whoopdeedoo.
Get over it and get back to the debate please

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:31 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:why is this thread in the "loft" ?

Good question. Ben usually likes threads to be in the correct section.

I do, and I distinctly remember putting it in the Middle East section because I remember another story (ANOTHER) about Israel buried it minutes later. I'm moving it back.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:46 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Good question. Ben usually likes threads to be in the correct section.

I do, and I distinctly remember putting it in the Middle East section because I remember another story (ANOTHER) about Israel buried it minutes later. I'm moving it back.


How can you bury the latest topic threads, when it scolls up the most recent posted on?
Poor excuse, just say you screwed up and not come out with a poor answer


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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:16 pm

An estimated 40,000 Syrian civilians are starving to death in the besieged city of Madaya. The most recent aid convoy was delayed, and Assad supporters have taken to social media to cruelly taunt Madaya with photos of food. Vice takes note of Hezbollah’s role in the siege while the Christian Science Monitor reports that the Lebanese public is disturbed by Hezbollah’s tactics.
For the past six months, Hezbollah fighters have helped Syrian troops mount a siege on Madaya, west of Damascus and 7.5 miles from Lebanon’s eastern border, using checkpoints, snipers, and landmines to hem in the population.
 
The last food deliveries to reach Madaya were on Oct. 18. With food stocks depleted, starving residents have been forced to eat grass, leaves, and water flavored with spices.
Tweeted photos of starving children on #Madaya were pretty disturbing. 




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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:42 pm

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eddie wrote:I have all the sympathies in the world but why are these poor, starving people still having babies??

I asked a similar question once, and I got jumped on by several people.

Ok, ok...I'm trying to follow this logic. So...if they swear off babies, someone will feed them? Who?

And do they have to wait 9-months to prove they've sworn off babies? I mean, what's the difference between that and starving? I'm having a difficult time seeing the logic of your food-for-abstinence program. Can you fill me in?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:57 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Good question. Ben usually likes threads to be in the correct section.

I do, and I distinctly remember putting it in the Middle East section because I remember another story (ANOTHER) about Israel buried it minutes later. I'm moving it back.


How can you bury the latest topic threads, when it scolls up the most recent posted on?
Poor excuse, just say you screwed up and not come out with a poor answer


Ta

Only one topic shows per category -- it was buried by something about Israel.

I don't know how this ended up in site announcements -- I might have (gasp) mis-clicked. You'll notice it's now in the right category.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:17 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


How can you bury the latest topic threads, when it scolls up the most recent posted on?
Poor excuse, just say you screwed up and not come out with a poor answer


Ta

Only one topic shows per category -- it was buried by something about Israel.

I don't know how this ended up in site announcements -- I might have (gasp) mis-clicked. You'll notice it's now in the right category.


Again on the ight of this forum scrolls the latest topics, so again that is a poor excuse.
Not that I am concerned it was just your snidy view about threads on Israel, which I found childish.
Everyone has their pet subjects they like to debate, I suggest you get used to that

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


How can you bury the latest topic threads, when it scolls up the most recent posted on?
Poor excuse, just say you screwed up and not come out with a poor answer


Ta

Only one topic shows per category -- it was buried by something about Israel.

I don't know how this ended up in site announcements -- I might have (gasp) mis-clicked. You'll notice it's now in the right category.


Again on the ight of this forum scrolls the latest topics, so again that is a poor excuse.
Not that I am concerned it was just your snidy view about threads on Israel, which I found childish.
Everyone has their pet subjects they like to debate, I suggest you get used to that

Everyone else has the subjects they get tired of seeing, and I suggest you get used to me pointing that out Razz

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Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Again on the ight of this forum scrolls the latest topics, so again that is a poor excuse.
Not that I am concerned it was just your snidy view about threads on Israel, which I found childish.
Everyone has their pet subjects they like to debate, I suggest you get used to that

Everyone else has the subjects they get tired of seeing, and I suggest you get used to me pointing that out Razz


I have been used to it for ages, but I, unlike you do not moan about or whinge like a two year old as you are doing.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:20 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


How can you bury the latest topic threads, when it scolls up the most recent posted on?
Poor excuse, just say you screwed up and not come out with a poor answer


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Only one topic shows per category -- it was buried by something about Israel.

I don't know how this ended up in site announcements -- I might have (gasp) mis-clicked. You'll notice it's now in the right category.


TSK Shocked No

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:20 pm

Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Again on the ight of this forum scrolls the latest topics, so again that is a poor excuse.
Not that I am concerned it was just your snidy view about threads on Israel, which I found childish.
Everyone has their pet subjects they like to debate, I suggest you get used to that

Everyone else has the subjects they get tired of seeing, and I suggest you get used to me pointing that out Razz


I have been used to it for ages, but I, unlike you do not moan about or whinge like a two year old as you are doing.

Well, start your own site, see it overrun by two members' eternal battle over something happening over 2,000 miles from them, and shut up about it.

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Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


I have been used to it for ages, but I, unlike you do not moan about or whinge like a two year old as you are doing.

Well, start your own site, see it overrun by two members' eternal battle over something happening over 2,000 miles from them, and shut up about it.


Wow talk about being such a grumpus, je wiz get some backbone, not everyone wants to debate things you like, or is it now a condition of being a part of this forum now?
Sorry but to me somethings are important, namely combating racism and much of that overlaps into hate of Israelis.
Now I guess they are not dark enough for you to care about when it comes to racism, but to me all racism is wrong just as it is when extremist Israelis are hateful to Palestinians.

So please let me know now if then I an other posters are not welcome here because we debate these topics constantly?

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


I have been used to it for ages, but I, unlike you do not moan about or whinge like a two year old as you are doing.

Well, start your own site, see it overrun by two members' eternal battle over something happening over 2,000 miles from them, and shut up about it.


Wow talk about being such a grumpus, je wiz get some backbone, not everyone wants to debate things you like, or is it now a condition of being a part of this forum now?
Sorry but to me somethings are important, namely combating racism and much of that overlaps into hate of Israelis.
Now I guess they are not dark enough for you to care about when it comes to racism, but to me all racism is wrong just as it is when extremist Israelis are hateful to Palestinians.

So please let me know now if then I an other posters are not welcome here because we debate these topics constantly?

It just gets really old and boring when you can tell it's turned into a topic for the two of you to beat each other over the head with.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:28 pm

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Wow talk about being such a grumpus, je wiz get some backbone, not everyone wants to debate things you like, or is it now a condition of being a part of this forum now?
Sorry but to me somethings are important, namely combating racism and much of that overlaps into hate of Israelis.
Now I guess they are not dark enough for you to care about when it comes to racism, but to me all racism is wrong just as it is when extremist Israelis are hateful to Palestinians.

So please let me know now if then I an other posters are not welcome here because we debate these topics constantly?

It just gets really old and boring when you can tell it's turned into a topic for the two of you to beat each other over the head with.


And that is why you are so wrong, as its nothing personal against Sassy, or Irn or even Zack on the topic.\]
Again my reasons are based around how much the hate overlaps into antisemitism.
So once again you get it all wrong

Seriously if I am not welcome just say so and stop being a coward

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Didge wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Richard The Lionheart wrote:


Wow talk about being such a grumpus, je wiz get some backbone, not everyone wants to debate things you like, or is it now a condition of being a part of this forum now?
Sorry but to me somethings are important, namely combating racism and much of that overlaps into hate of Israelis.
Now I guess they are not dark enough for you to care about when it comes to racism, but to me all racism is wrong just as it is when extremist Israelis are hateful to Palestinians.

So please let me know now if then I an other posters are not welcome here because we debate these topics constantly?

It just gets really old and boring when you can tell it's turned into a topic for the two of you to beat each other over the head with.


And that is why you are so wrong, as its nothing personal against Sassy, or Irn or even Zack on the topic.\]
Again my reasons are based around how much the hate overlaps into antisemitism.
So once again you get it all wrong

Seriously if I am not welcome just say so and stop being a coward

Relax your sphincter ... I'm sure there's another article out there about Hamas that we can't live without seeing.

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And that is why you are so wrong, as its nothing personal against Sassy, or Irn or even Zack on the topic.\]
Again my reasons are based around how much the hate overlaps into antisemitism.
So once again you get it all wrong

Seriously if I am not welcome just say so and stop being a coward

Relax your sphincter ... I'm sure there's another article out there about Hamas that we can't live without seeing.


I am very relaxed, and again if these threads bother you, then stop being gutless and say you would rather i was not here. Its not difficult is it?

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Didge wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Didge wrote:


And that is why you are so wrong, as its nothing personal against Sassy, or Irn or even Zack on the topic.\]
Again my reasons are based around how much the hate overlaps into antisemitism.
So once again you get it all wrong

Seriously if I am not welcome just say so and stop being a coward

Relax your sphincter ... I'm sure there's another article out there about Hamas that we can't live without seeing.


I am very relaxed, and again if these threads bother you, then stop being gutless and say you would rather i was not here. Its not difficult is it?

Just wish we could have a little more variety, that's all!

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I am very relaxed, and again if these threads bother you, then stop being gutless and say you would rather i was not here. Its not difficult is it?

Just wish we could have a little more variety, that's all!


Do you know how many threads I have started today?

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:30 pm

Didge......


i find your avatar............disturbing Laughing

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Lord Foul wrote:Didge......


i find your avatar............disturbing Laughing


lol its from the Film Ironclad


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Vic, is your avatar a Turkey Vulture?
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