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Re: My Mistake

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:38 pm

exactly, and the point of using citus (lime) to combat scurvy on sailing vessles has naff all to do with coverung yourself from head to foot in layers of tents, thus voluntarily and more importantly KNOWINGLY depriving yourself of sun generated vit D

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:20 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Duh Quill...thta was vitamin C, not "D"

and , I think te circumatnces are somewhat different . Rolling Eyes
the typical regressive lefty, when confounded bring up an unrelated historical fact, misapply it, and ignore its lack of relevence Rolling Eyes
To be fair i think he was pointing out the analogous comparison between the two

And just to address the vitamin D question about burkers
i have got to admit i rarely see such rubbish



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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:25 pm

1 they do not wear it 24 hours a day only when out in public

2 we cover our selfs from head to foot (weather depending) most of the time more often than not the only parts of us exposed are hands and face on a daily basis

if they spent 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year covered then thats one thing but thats not this

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:33 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Duh Quill...thta was vitamin C, not "D"

and , I think te circumatnces are somewhat different . Rolling Eyes
the typical regressive lefty, when confounded bring up an unrelated historical fact, misapply it, and ignore its lack of relevence Rolling Eyes
To be fair i think he was pointing out the analogous comparison between the two

And just to address the vitamin D question about burkers
i have got to admit i rarely see such rubbish



then perhaps yo should read this

"There is concern among the medical community about some of the health effects of the extreme styles of Islamic dress, with the main issues arising from Vitamin D deficiency due to lack skin exposed to UV light. It has been established by credible scientific evidence that almost all women who observe the full hijab are chronically deficient in Vitamin D.[2] Vitamin D is a vital nutrient and deficiency of this kind can lead to various diseases.

Vitamin D Deficiency

Vitamin D is fat soluble vitamin which is an essential nutrient for human health.[3][4] Vitamin D is synthesised when ultraviolet rays from sunlight strike the human skin triggering a series of reactions, it is by this method that a vast majority of a person's daily intake of Vitamin D is produced. It is naturally absent in significant quantities in almost all food items commonly consumed, with a very few select foods containing appreciable amounts and very few consumer products being fortified with it.[5]

The main role of Vitamin D in the body is to regulate the correct amounts of calcium present in the blood. This vitamin aids in the absorption of calcium to create healthy, strong bones. Insufficient amounts of Vitamin D leads to weak, brittle and misshapen bones; a condition known as osteomalacia in adults and rickets in children. Sufficient amounts of Vitamin D are also crucial in preventing fractures and osteoporosis in older adults.[6]

Low levels of Vitamin D have also been linked to a whole host of devastating disorders including cardiovascular diseases, type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis. There is also a strong association between deficiency in Vitamin D and an increased risk of developing several deadly cancers, including breast cancer.[7]

The concern is not only towards the woman who chooses to observe the more covering forms of Islamic dress but also towards any potential children she may carry. Infants born to vitamin D deficient mothers have been found to suffer from an increased prevalence of seizures.[8] If these children observe the full hijab in childhood, they run the risk of not reaching the height they would have otherwise reached if they were not vitamin D deficient.[9]
Islamic Dress and Health

Since almost all the daily intake of Vitamin D is from sunlight, exposure there is significant concern for women who wear the burqa or "full hijab". This style of dress, leaving only a very small portion of skin around the eyes exposed, greatly reduces the surface area of the body which sunlight is exposed to and hence reduces the amount of Vitamin D synthesized. Such low rates of Vitamin D production will quickly exhaust the bodies excess emergency stores of Vitamin D contained in the fat and the person will likely go into a deficient state.

Due to this reason, serious vitamin D deficiency is wide-spread in many Muslim majority countries. A study performed by doctors at King Fahd University Hospital in Saudi Arabia, showed that out of all 52 women tested, all had seriously deficient levels of Vitamin D and were at risk of many serious health problems, despite living in one of the sunniest places on the planet.[10] Furthermore, in a study undertaken in Jordan, 83.3% of women wearing the most covering style of Islamic dresses were found to be deficient in summer time. This is rather striking when compared to the fact only 18.2% of Jordanian men studied were found to be deficient.[11] Jordan, like Saudi Arabia, holds the distinction of being one of the sunniest places on the planet, so the effect of wearing the burqa on Vitamin D levels and health is profound.
Effect of Ethnicity and Migration

There is also concern for the health of immigrants from Islamic majority countries, most of which are around the equator and receive the highest amount of sunlight of any place on earth. There concern arises when these women migrate to countries with lower amounts of sunlight throughout the year compared to their previous home country. Skin tone is darkest at the equator in response to the sunlight.[12][13] Darker skin blocks out significantly more UV radiation and hence decreases Vitamin D production by an enormous amount (people with dark skin pigmentation may need 20 - 30 times as much exposure to sunlight).[14] All these factors combined with the heavily covering Islamic dress create serious potential health concerns for Islamic migrants in countries away from the equator such as Canada, the United States, Europe and Australia.[15][16]

This is further evidenced by numerous scientific studies. A study was undertaken in Dearborn, Michigan, the most-concentrated Arab-American settlement in the United States to assess the relationship between Vitamin D levels and Islamic dress choice in migrant Arab-American Muslim women. The average vitamin D level was found to be 4 ng/ml in veiled women who undertook no vitamin D supplementation and 7 ng/ml in women who wore the same style veil but chose to take supplements.[17] The threshold for rickets and osteomalacia risk is 8 ng/ml and below; clinical deficiency is considered as anything below 16 ng/ml.[18] This illustrates a very serious health risk for migrant Muslim women who immigrate to such countries and wear the burqa.

In the United Kingdom, cases of rickets have been rare until recently. Cases of the disease have increased dramatically due to the growing Muslim population.[19][20][21] "


from http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Health_Effects_of_Islamic_Dress


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Re: My Mistake

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:34 pm

Interestingly

At risk groups for low vitamin D

Babies and young children, and children and
adolescents who spend little time playing outside

Pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers

People over 65 years old because their skin is
not as good at making vitamin D

People with darker skin tones - that is people
of Asian, African, Afro-Caribbean
and Middle Eastern descent – living in the UK or other
northern climates

If you always cover most of your skin when you
are outside and the further north you live

Anyone who spends very little time outside
during the summer – the housebound, shop or
office workers, night shift workers

If the air is quite polluted

ironically then i guess the ban the burker is an attempt to improve immigrant`s health tongue

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:37 pm

If they don't mind being deficient in Vitamin D, that's up to them. The point is that it is unnatural to cover yourself up completely in that manner.

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:38 pm

It probably makes them somewhat unemployable as well.

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:38 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
To be fair i think he was pointing out the analogous comparison between the two

And just to address the vitamin D question about burkers
i have got to admit i rarely see such rubbish



then perhaps yo should read this

"There is concern among the medical community about some of the health effects of the extreme styles of Islamic dress, with the main issues arising from Vitamin D deficiency due to lack skin exposed to UV light. It has been established by credible scientific evidence that almost all women who observe the full hijab are chronically deficient in Vitamin D.[2] Vitamin D is a vital nutrient and deficiency of this kind can lead to various diseases.
Vitamin D Deficiency

Vitamin D is fat soluble vitamin which is an essential nutrient for human health.[3][4] Vitamin D is synthesised when ultraviolet rays from sunlight strike the human skin triggering a series of reactions, it is by this method that a vast majority of a person's daily intake of Vitamin D is produced. It is naturally absent in significant quantities in almost all food items commonly consumed, with a very few select foods containing appreciable amounts and very few consumer products being fortified with it.[5]

The main role of Vitamin D in the body is to regulate the correct amounts of calcium present in the blood. This vitamin aids in the absorption of calcium to create healthy, strong bones. Insufficient amounts of Vitamin D leads to weak, brittle and misshapen bones; a condition known as osteomalacia in adults and rickets in children. Sufficient amounts of Vitamin D are also crucial in preventing fractures and osteoporosis in older adults.[6]

Low levels of Vitamin D have also been linked to a whole host of devastating disorders including cardiovascular diseases, type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis. There is also a strong association between deficiency in Vitamin D and an increased risk of developing several deadly cancers, including breast cancer.[7]

The concern is not only towards the woman who chooses to observe the more covering forms of Islamic dress but also towards any potential children she may carry. Infants born to vitamin D deficient mothers have been found to suffer from an increased prevalence of seizures.[8] If these children observe the full hijab in childhood, they run the risk of not reaching the height they would have otherwise reached if they were not vitamin D deficient.[9]
Islamic Dress and Health

Since almost all the daily intake of Vitamin D is from sunlight, exposure there is significant concern for women who wear the burqa or "full hijab". This style of dress, leaving only a very small portion of skin around the eyes exposed, greatly reduces the surface area of the body which sunlight is exposed to and hence reduces the amount of Vitamin D synthesized. Such low rates of Vitamin D production will quickly exhaust the bodies excess emergency stores of Vitamin D contained in the fat and the person will likely go into a deficient state.

Due to this reason, serious vitamin D deficiency is wide-spread in many Muslim majority countries. A study performed by doctors at King Fahd University Hospital in Saudi Arabia, showed that out of all 52 women tested, all had seriously deficient levels of Vitamin D and were at risk of many serious health problems, despite living in one of the sunniest places on the planet.[10] Furthermore, in a study undertaken in Jordan, 83.3% of women wearing the most covering style of Islamic dresses were found to be deficient in summer time. This is rather striking when compared to the fact only 18.2% of Jordanian men studied were found to be deficient.[11] Jordan, like Saudi Arabia, holds the distinction of being one of the sunniest places on the planet, so the effect of wearing the burqa on Vitamin D levels and health is profound.
Effect of Ethnicity and Migration

There is also concern for the health of immigrants from Islamic majority countries, most of which are around the equator and receive the highest amount of sunlight of any place on earth. There concern arises when these women migrate to countries with lower amounts of sunlight throughout the year compared to their previous home country. Skin tone is darkest at the equator in response to the sunlight.[12][13] Darker skin blocks out significantly more UV radiation and hence decreases Vitamin D production by an enormous amount (people with dark skin pigmentation may need 20 - 30 times as much exposure to sunlight).[14] All these factors combined with the heavily covering Islamic dress create serious potential health concerns for Islamic migrants in countries away from the equator such as Canada, the United States, Europe and Australia.[15][16]

This is further evidenced by numerous scientific studies. A study was undertaken in Dearborn, Michigan, the most-concentrated Arab-American settlement in the United States to assess the relationship between Vitamin D levels and Islamic dress choice in migrant Arab-American Muslim women. The average vitamin D level was found to be 4 ng/ml in veiled women who undertook no vitamin D supplementation and 7 ng/ml in women who wore the same style veil but chose to take supplements.[17] The threshold for rickets and osteomalacia risk is 8 ng/ml and below; clinical deficiency is considered as anything below 16 ng/ml.[18] This illustrates a very serious health risk for migrant Muslim women who immigrate to such countries and wear the burqa.

In the United Kingdom, cases of rickets have been rare until recently. Cases of the disease have increased dramatically due to the growing Muslim population.[19][20][21] "


from http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Health_Effects_of_Islamic_Dress
Oh i am quite familiar with both deficiency's
especially scurvy

my problem is with the premise that wearing a burker puts them at more risk from vitamin D deficiency than anybody else


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Re: My Mistake

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If they don't mind being deficient in Vitamin D, that's up to them. The point is that it is unnatural to cover yourself up completely in that manner.
unnatural ? strange choice of word

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:40 pm

korban dallas wrote:Interestingly

At risk groups for low vitamin D

Babies and young children, and children and
adolescents who spend little time playing outside

Pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers

People over 65 years old because their skin is
not as good at making vitamin D

People with darker skin tones - that is people
of Asian, African, Afro-Caribbean
and Middle Eastern descent – living in the UK or other
northern climates

If you always cover most of your skin when you
are outside and the further north you live

Anyone who spends very little time outside
during the summer – the housebound, shop or
office workers, night shift workers

If the air is quite polluted

ironically then i guess the ban the burker is an attempt to improve immigrant`s health tongue

well...Yes...otherwise they become an even bigger burden on the NHS than they need to be.... Evil or Very Mad

(you HAD to ask didnt you Razz )

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:41 pm

korban dallas wrote:1 they do not wear it 24 hours a day only when out in public

2 we cover our selfs from head to foot (weather depending) most of the time more often than not the only parts of us exposed are hands and face on a daily basis

if they spent 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year covered then thats one thing but thats not this


All the above is irrelevant to why such a garment came into being and why it is used in the first place.
Firstly again in this country and just about every western nation, it is completely rude where someone covers up their face talking to you. We communicate 50-60 percent through body language and 7-10 percent words, and tone 30-40 percent, showing how fundementally important facial features are when we communicate to each other.
Second, it is not even a compulsary Islamic item to be worn, but an interpretation, one that was born from age old traditions in Arabia where they subjucated women and this is what this garment represents. The subjucation of women. The fact is such teaching is fundementally a command on how to dress in public with others,m with the view placed far more on women that it is on men to dress moderately. Except with women its not moderate at all but completely extreme to the point, that no part of the human body is visible, with the exception of the hands. It makes them believe it is wrong to express their own beauty. Sorry but I find that abhorant, when we should celebrate our beauty. The other even more worry aspect about the Burkha is that it is very much connected to a view also on honour. We all know what paths lead from the roads of honour.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:42 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:If they don't mind being deficient in Vitamin D, that's up to them. The point is that it is unnatural to cover yourself up completely in that manner.
unnatural ? strange choice of word

Why? Vitamin D is synthesised in the skin but it needs UV light. That's a natural thing - therefore, covering yourself up completely is unnatural.

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As a natural red head  

scientists have found that ginger hair and a pale skin offer an important advantage in the survival game.

Redheads, it would seem, boast a secret genetic weapon which enables them to fight off certain debilitating and potentially deadly illnesses more efficiently than blondes or brunettes.

A pale complexion permits more sunlight into the skin, where it encourages the productionof vitamin D. This helps to prevent rickets, a disease which progressively weakens bone structures, and the lung disease tuberculosis, which can be fatal.

Professor Jonathan Rees, of the University of Edinburgh, speaking at a series of seminars on hair in London yesterday, said the ginger gene may have had a significance throughout history.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:47 pm

I have extremely low Vit.D and I'm on a permanent supplement.  The Endocrinologist told me it was not possible to get all the Vit.D you need from the sun unless you spend at least 6 hours a day naked in full sun light.

Muslim women wear burkas like we wear a coat, in their houses and gardens they wear a little as everyone else.  And yes, they wear beautiful dresses and nice underwear the same as other women do.

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Re: My Mistake

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Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
unnatural ? strange choice of word

Why? Vitamin D is synthesised in the skin but it needs UV light. That's a natural thing - therefore, covering yourself up completely is unnatural.
so any clothing is unnatural following that premise

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:48 pm

korban dallas wrote:Just for full disclosure i would like to declare an interest in this subject

As a natural red head  

scientists have found that ginger hair and a pale skin offer an important advantage in the survival game.

Redheads, it would seem, boast a secret genetic weapon which enables them to fight off certain debilitating and potentially deadly illnesses more efficiently than blondes or brunettes.

A pale complexion permits more sunlight into the skin, where it encourages the productionof vitamin D. This helps to prevent rickets, a disease which progressively weakens bone structures, and the lung disease tuberculosis, which can be fatal.

Professor Jonathan Rees, of the University of Edinburgh, speaking at a series of seminars on hair in London yesterday, said the ginger gene may have had a significance throughout history.

Exactly. A pale complexion will permit more UV rays, although pale skin doesn't necessarily go with red hair. It also burns more easily of course.

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:50 pm

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why? Vitamin D is synthesised in the skin but it needs UV light. That's a natural thing - therefore, covering yourself up completely is unnatural.
so any clothing is unnatural following  that premise

No, because you don't need to expose all your skin in order to synthesise Vitamin D. The more you expose, the quicker Vitamin D will be synthesised though.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:52 pm

sassy wrote:I have extremely low Vit.D and I'm on a permanent supplement.  The Endocrinologist told me it was not possible to get all the Vit.D you need from the sun unless you spend at least 6 hours a day naked in full sun light.

Muslim women wear burkas like we wear a coat, in their houses and gardens they wear a little as everyone else.  And yes, they wear beautiful dresses and nice underwear the same as other women do.

No they dont...


I wear a coat to keep warm and dry...in winter

they weat this item of clothing all year round as a symbol of their "diference and disdain" of us... as a spite to us and a declaration that they most definitely DO NOT want to integrate...

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Re: My Mistake

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:56 pm

They are very antisocial. Of course, not everyone who doesn't wear a burka is very sociable either, but at least they manage to say hello to someone and the other person will recognise them and say hello back.

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Lord Foul wrote:
sassy wrote:I have extremely low Vit.D and I'm on a permanent supplement.  The Endocrinologist told me it was not possible to get all the Vit.D you need from the sun unless you spend at least 6 hours a day naked in full sun light.

Muslim women wear burkas like we wear a coat, in their houses and gardens they wear a little as everyone else.  And yes, they wear beautiful dresses and nice underwear the same as other women do.

No they dont...


I wear a coat to keep warm and dry...in winter

they weat this item of clothing all year round as a symbol of their "diference and disdain" of us... as a spite to us and a declaration that they most definitely DO NOT want to integrate...

That's pathetic, it has nothing to do with 'difference and disdain' and more than wearing a mini-skirt means you want to be raped.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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so any clothing is unnatural following  that premise

No, because you don't need to expose all your skin in order to synthesise Vitamin D. The more you expose, the quicker Vitamin D will be synthesised though.
well the natural thing is no clothes thats how we a born thats natural so any deviation from that is unnatural ,you cant have a little bit unnatural it is one or the other ,any more than that is morals,bias,common decency,accepted "norm" that is unless you are the arbitrator of what is natural and not natural







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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:58 pm

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No, because you don't need to expose all your skin in order to synthesise Vitamin D. The more you expose, the quicker Vitamin D will be synthesised though.
well the natural thing is no clothes thats how we a born thats natural so any deviation from that is unnatural ,you cant have a little bit unnatural it is one or the other ,any more than that is morals,bias,common decency,accepted "norm" that is unless you are the arbitrator of what is natural and not natural







I think you're clutching at straws.

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sassy wrote:I have extremely low Vit.D and I'm on a permanent supplement.  The Endocrinologist told me it was not possible to get all the Vit.D you need from the sun unless you spend at least 6 hours a day naked in full sun light.

Muslim women wear burkas like we wear a coat, in their houses and gardens they wear a little as everyone else.  And yes, they wear beautiful dresses and nice underwear the same as other women do.


That is wrong, as if like many Arabs and Asians, they have darker skin, they need to have longer exposure to the sun to produce the same daily requirement we need from the sun to produce Vitaman D. You can get all the Vitaman D from the sun as well. So it further proves that fundementally it is a health risk because people with darker skin need longer exposure to the sun than fairer skin people in order to produce ebough vitamin D

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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well the natural thing is no clothes thats how we a born thats natural so any deviation from that is unnatural ,you cant have a little bit unnatural it is one or the other ,any more than that is morals,bias,common decency,accepted "norm" that is unless you are the arbitrator of what is natural and not natural







I think you're clutching at straws.

I think he is absolutely right, the day we started wearing clothes is the day we stopped getting enough Vit D.

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I think you're clutching at straws.

I think he is absolutely right, the day we started wearing clothes is the day we stopped getting enough Vit D.

I also think your endocrinologist is wrong.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
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I think he is absolutely right, the day we started wearing clothes is the day we stopped getting enough Vit D.

I also think your endocrinologist is wrong.

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No they dont...


I wear a coat to keep warm and dry...in winter

they weat this item of clothing all year round as a symbol of their "diference and disdain" of us... as a spite to us and a declaration that they most definitely DO NOT want to integrate...

That's pathetic, it has nothing to do with 'difference and disdain' and more than wearing a mini-skirt means you want to be raped.


Yes it does have everything to do with distain for women, that their beaity should be hidden, not from anything they have done, but the temptation of men. That is imposing a baclward command onto women. Its appalling to make women feel guilty about their own beauty and it should be something that is celebrated, not hidden.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:03 pm

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I think he is absolutely right, the day we started wearing clothes is the day we stopped getting enough Vit D.

I also think your endocrinologist is wrong.



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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:04 pm

Oh I'm sure you don't want anything hidden Didge.

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sassy wrote:Oh I'm sure you don't want anything hidden Didge.


So nothing to answer my points.

A deflection.

Oh well


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:05 pm

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I also think your endocrinologist is wrong.

lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

Don't tell me that you think all doctors are right all the time. That would be very silly.

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Vitamin D is essential for healthy bones, and we get most of our vitamin D from exposure to sunlight. Find out how to get enough without risking sun damage.

Everyone needs vitamin D to help the body absorb calcium and phosphorus from their diet. These minerals are important for healthy bones and teeth.
A lack of vitamin D – known as vitamin D deficiency – can cause bones to become soft and weak, which can lead to bone deformities. In children, for example, a lack of vitamin D can lead to rickets. In adults, it can lead to osteomalacia, which causes bone pain and tenderness.

How do we get vitamin D?

Our body creates most of our vitamin D from direct sunlight on our skin. We also get vitamin D from some foods, including oily fish such as salmon, mackerel and sardines, as well as meat and eggs
Vitamin D is also added to all infant formula milk, as well as some breakfast cereals, soya products, dairy products, powdered milks and fat spreads.
The amounts added to these products can vary and may only be added in small amounts. Manufacturers must add vitamin D to infant formula milk.

How long should we spend in the sun?

The amount of time you need to spend in the sun for your skin to make enough vitamin D is different for every person. This is because the amount of time needed depends on a number of factors, such as your skin type (how dark your skin is or how easily you get sunburnt), the time of year and what time of day it is.
Short daily periods of sun exposure without sunscreen during the summer months (April to October) are enough for most people to make enough vitamin D. Evidence suggests the most effective time of day for vitamin D production is between 11am and 3pm.
A short period of time in the sun means just a few minutes – evidence suggests about 10 to 15 minutes is enough for most lighter-skinned people – and is less than the time it takes you to start going red or burn. People with darker skin will need to spend longer in the sun to produce the same amount of vitamin D.
The larger the area of skin exposed to sunlight, the more chance there is of making enough vitamin D before you start to burn.
In the UK, our skin isn't able to make vitamin D from winter sunlight (November to March) as the sunlight hasn't got enough ultraviolet B (UVB) radiation. During the winter, we get vitamin D from our body's stores and food sources.  
The longer you stay in the sun, especially for prolonged periods without sun protection, the greater your risk of skin cancer.
Remember to cover up or protect your skin before the time it takes you to start turning red or burn. Stay covered up for most of the time you spend outside and use sunscreen with a sun protection factor (SPF) of at least 15.
Sunbeds are not a recommended source of vitamin D.
Read more about keeping skin safe in the sun.

Who is at risk of vitamin D deficiency?

Some groups of the population are at greater risk of vitamin D deficiency, and the Department of Health advises these people to take daily vitamin D supplements.
These groups are: 

  • all pregnant and breastfeeding women
  • all babies and young children from six months to five years old – unless they are having 500ml or more a day of infant milk formula
  • older people aged 65 and over
  • people who are not exposed to much sun – for example, those who cover their skin, or are housebound or confined indoors for long periods
  • people who have darker skin – for example, those of African, African Caribbean or South Asian origin need more time in the sun than someone with lighter skin to produce the same amount of vitamin D 







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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:07 pm

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lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

Don't tell me that you think all doctors are right all the time. That would be very silly.

No, but he was referring to ME, as everyone absorbs it differently, and from the tests done, that is the only way I would get enough from the sun.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:08 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't tell me that you think all doctors are right all the time. That would be very silly.

No, but he was referring to ME, as everyone absorbs it diffenently, and from the tests done, that is the only way I would get enough from the sun.

Maybe you have particularly tough skin or something. You said it as though he was talking about everyone anyway.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:11 pm

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No, but he was referring to ME, as everyone absorbs it diffenently, and from the tests done, that is the only way I would get enough from the sun.

Maybe you have particularly tough skin or something. You said it as though he was talking about everyone anyway.

You really think and your skin has to be 'tough' not to absorb Vit D?  Mine is because I lived in the tropics and my skin got used to having high doses, now the sunlight we get here is not enough.   Actually the way he noticed it was because my skin is very fine on my hands and almost transparent.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:12 pm

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Maybe you have particularly tough skin or something. You said it as though he was talking about everyone anyway.

You really think and your skin has to be 'tough' not to absorb Vit D?  Mine is because I lived in the tropics and my skin got used to having high doses, now the sunlight we get here is not enough.

Whatever. You still said it as though he was referring to people generally.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:14 pm

Every person absorbs 'D' differently, which is why they think probably 1 in 5/6 in the country is deficient in it.   Also during the winter the sun is too weak for anyone to absorb it.

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sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe you have particularly tough skin or something. You said it as though he was talking about everyone anyway.

You really think and your skin has to be 'tough' not to absorb Vit D?  Mine is because I lived in the tropics and my skin got used to having high doses, now the sunlight we get here is not enough.


That makes no sense at all.
Your skin disposition would not have changed that much, you just have a deficiency and like the rest of us struggle to produce enough in the winter months, as the days are much shorter with less sunlight

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:16 pm

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You really think and your skin has to be 'tough' not to absorb Vit D?  Mine is because I lived in the tropics and my skin got used to having high doses, now the sunlight we get here is not enough.


That makes no sense at all.
Your skin disposition would not have changed that much, you just have a deficiency and like the rest of us struggle to produce enough in the winter months, as the days are much shorter with less sunlight


How long did you spend in medical school?

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:17 pm

bull shiiiite

covering your face as they do is a clear to everyone else and a rejection of OUR cultural norms which are to reveal your face (and hence your true identity ) and not skulk around identityless and furtive, and to have your face visible whilst talking....

these people anided and abetted by the lefty luvvies have whinged and whined about how WE are not "letting them " integrate

YET they are NOT prepared to make ONE, not one change to their culture...the "integration" has only been one way

we (as in "US") have made concession after concession to satisfy their "cultural needs"

yet requiring change from "them" is unreasonable and wacist and totally unlefty

for some odd reason...I DONT want TO INTEGRATE WITH A "TENT ON LEGS" that for whatever reason real or myth and magical will not reveal its true identity etc and, which wishes to compound a culture that views lies as valid in some circumstances and disambiguity as normal with hiding their faces whilst doing so...


show me your face, that I may judge if your words match your heart.....

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:19 pm

Lord Foul wrote:bull shiiiite

covering your face as they do is a clear  to everyone else and a rejection of OUR cultural norms which are to reveal your face (and hence your true identity ) and not skulk around identityless and furtive, and to have your face visible whilst talking....

these people anided and abetted by the lefty luvvies have whinged and whined about how WE are not "letting them " integrate

YET they are NOT prepared to make ONE, not one change to their culture...the "integration" has only been one way

we (as in "US") have made concession after concession to satisfy their "cultural needs"

yet requiring change from "them" is unreasonable and wacist and totally unlefty

for some odd reason...I DONT want TO INTEGRATE WITH A "TENT ON LEGS"  that for whatever reason real or myth and magical will not reveal its true identity etc and, which wishes to compound a culture that views lies as valid in some circumstances and disambiguity as normal with hiding their faces whilst doing so...


show me your face, that I may judge if your words match your heart.....

Why the hell should they?  Why should you be allowed to tell them what they must show?  How does that make you any better than other men who tell women what they should do and wear?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:20 pm

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Richard The Lionheart wrote:


That makes no sense at all.
Your skin disposition would not have changed that much, you just have a deficiency and like the rest of us struggle to produce enough in the winter months, as the days are much shorter with less sunlight


How long did you spend in medical school?



2 years in the NHS and the last 15 years from suffering from psoriasis in the winter months making me that much more knowledgable  being as I need the sun more than many, because of this condition for the UV rays. The joke is I tan very easily.

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:21 pm

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How long did you spend in medical school?



2 years in the NHS and the last 15 years from suffering from psoriasis in the winter months making me that much more knowledgable  being as I need the sun more than many, because of this condition for the UV rays. The joke is I tan very easily.


I said how long did you spend in medical school, not how long you spent pushing paper in the NHS.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:24 pm

Lord Foul wrote:bull shiiiite

covering your face as they do is a clear  to everyone else and a rejection of OUR cultural norms which are to reveal your face (and hence your true identity ) and not skulk around identityless and furtive, and to have your face visible whilst talking....

these people anided and abetted by the lefty luvvies have whinged and whined about how WE are not "letting them " integrate

YET they are NOT prepared to make ONE, not one change to their culture...the "integration" has only been one way

we (as in "US") have made concession after concession to satisfy their "cultural needs"

yet requiring change from "them" is unreasonable and wacist and totally unlefty

for some odd reason...I DONT want TO INTEGRATE WITH A "TENT ON LEGS"  that for whatever reason real or myth and magical will not reveal its true identity etc and, which wishes to compound a culture that views lies as valid in some circumstances and disambiguity as normal with hiding their faces whilst doing so...


show me your face, that I may judge if your words match your heart.....




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In the Muslim world, preventing women from being seen by men is closely linked to the concept of Namus.[3][4]
Namus is an ethical category, a virtue, in Middle Eastern Muslim patriarchal character. It is a strongly gender-specific category of relations within a family described in terms of honor, attention, respect/respectability, and modesty. The term is often translated as "honor"



Verdict, fundementally dangereous based on the problems with honour codes within some Muslim circles.
Agree with your points and how its is fundementally rude when communicating.
Its a security risk and is commanded to be worn in an interpretation of Islam
In other words the women have been indoctrainted with a perverse view that wishes to hide away their beauty to the world.
If evolution had of wanted our faces covered our skin would have extended to do so in the first place or retained the fast majority of our hair coverings all over
Hence the view to cover is completely backward


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2 years in the NHS and the last 15 years from suffering from psoriasis in the winter months making me that much more knowledgable  being as I need the sun more than many, because of this condition for the UV rays. The joke is I tan very easily.


I said how long did you spend in medical school, not how long you spent pushing paper in the NHS.


I did not need any time to spend in medical school, being as I worked with doctors daily, hence why I have a very good grasp on medical problems espcially ones that effect me and again what you state just is completely nonsense

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:27 pm

sassy wrote:Every person absorbs 'D' differently, which is why they think probably 1 in 5/6 in the country is deficient in it.   Also during the winter the sun is too weak for anyone to absorb it.

That's why it's good to store it up during the summer.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:29 pm

sassy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:bull shiiiite

covering your face as they do is a clear  to everyone else and a rejection of OUR cultural norms which are to reveal your face (and hence your true identity ) and not skulk around identityless and furtive, and to have your face visible whilst talking....

these people anided and abetted by the lefty luvvies have whinged and whined about how WE are not "letting them " integrate

YET they are NOT prepared to make ONE, not one change to their culture...the "integration" has only been one way

we (as in "US") have made concession after concession to satisfy their "cultural needs"

yet requiring change from "them" is unreasonable and wacist and totally unlefty

for some odd reason...I DONT want TO INTEGRATE WITH A "TENT ON LEGS"  that for whatever reason real or myth and magical will not reveal its true identity etc and, which wishes to compound a culture that views lies as valid in some circumstances and disambiguity as normal with hiding their faces whilst doing so...


show me your face, that I may judge if your words match your heart.....

Why the hell should they?  Why should you be allowed to tell them what they must show?  How does that make you any better than other men who tell women what they should do and wear?

Because, my dear...integration is a two way street (actually it isnt ...but I'm being "nice". In reality...if you want to live here then you live as we do, and either accept it or sod off somewhere more to your liking)

I dont care what you wear from the neck down....hell wear a tin suit if thats what floats yer boat, you can even cover your hair (cos it can get a bit damp here now and again, and we know what women and wet hair are like together) BUT show your face...or sod off...I aint having owt to do with you UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:30 pm

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Why the hell should they?  Why should you be allowed to tell them what they must show?  How does that make you any better than other men who tell women what they should do and wear?

Because, my dear...integration is a two way street (actually it isnt ...but I'm being "nice". In reality...if you want to live here then you live as we do, and either accept it or sod off somewhere more to your liking)

I dont care what you wear from the neck down....hell wear a tin suit if thats what floats yer boat, you can even cover your hair (cos it can get a bit damp here now and again, and we know what women and wet hair are like together)  BUT show your face...or sod off...I aint having owt to do with you  UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES


Right, then all anti-social old sods should be deported shouldn't they?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:31 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:Every person absorbs 'D' differently, which is why they think probably 1 in 5/6 in the country is deficient in it.   Also during the winter the sun is too weak for anyone to absorb it.

That's why it's good to store it up during the summer.



Agreed and then it cannot be the hotter climate that has made her skin deficient in vitamin D.
She would have already had a deficiency in the first place and a far sunnier climate would have thus helped this deficiency. Hence why i do not buy the claim

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Post by sassy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:33 pm

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That's why it's good to store it up during the summer.



Agreed and then it cannot be the hotter climate that has made her skin deficient in vitamin D.
She would have already had a deficiency in the first place and a far sunnier climate would have thus helped this deficiency. Hence why i do not buy the claim

I'll have to recommend you to the BMA, they'll love to have you to lecture to them.

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