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Two New Defense Brass Join in Support for Breaking the Silence

Post by sassy on Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:40 am

Under heading 'I too am breaking the silence,' ex-Shin Bet chief and former northern police commander publish ad in favor of anti-occupation group, joining other security officials.



Former Shin Bet chief Ayalon, who published an ad in Haaretz with ex-police commander Ron, under the heading: "I too am breaking the silence."


Former Shin Bet security services chief Ami Ayalon and Israel Police Maj. Gen. (ret.) Alik Ron published an advertisement in Haaretz Hebrew edition on Tuesday in support of the anti-occupation organization Breaking the Silence, under the heading “I too am breaking the silence.”

The two ex-security officials joined two other senior defense personalities who have expressed support in recent days for the left-wing NGO, made up of former soldiers: Maj. Gen. (res.) Amiram Levin, former commander of the elite Israel Defense Force's Sayeret Matkal unit, and Yuval Diskin, former head of the Shin Bet.

“Breaking the Silence protects IDF soldiers in the impossible situation in which politicians have abandoned them," wrote Ayalon, a former commander of the Israel Navy, and Ron, who headed the northern district of the police during the events of October 2000 (in which 13 Israeli Arab demonstrators were killed by security forces). “The guidelines meant to silence the group are what damages and weakens the army,” they added.

In an advertisement in the same vein, Levin wrote in Haaretz last Friday, “As someone who was a combatant and a commander, and who is currently a father of two combat paratrooper officers who have been there as witnesses – I too am breaking silence.”

He added that Breaking the Silence strengthens the IDF and its morality, and that silencing it is harmful to the army.

For his part, Diskin referred to the group in a Facebook posting last week. He wrote that while he opposes the activities of nongovernmental organizations and journalists “who don’t love their country,” after reading nearly every article and report by Breaking the Silence, B’Tselem or the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel, “even if they are aggravating, even if they are often inaccurate and don’t always do their work properly from a professional perspective – their contribution is very important and helps us maintain the required vigilance about the most sensitive human issues.”

Added Diskin: “We are a country that controls another people in Judea and Samaria and operates different legal systems for Israeli citizens and the Palestinian residents of the area. It’s clear that the situation is very complex ... It’s good that there are journalists and good that there are NGOs monitoring the activities of the various security agencies operating in the field ... One doesn’t have to love them, but they are a very important part of every democratic regime and an important part of its strength.”

A week ago, the Israeli right-wing nonprofit Im Tirtzu organization disseminated a video in which left-wing activists, including ones from Breaking the Silence, were described as “moles” who defend terrorists.

Last Wednesday Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and opposition leader Isaac Herzog clashed in the Knesset over the organization as well. Netanyahu called on Herzog to “come to the podium and soundly condemn Breaking the Silence, which tarnishes the image of IDF soldiers around the world, trying to tie Israel’s hands in its attempts to defend itself.” Herzog demanded that Netanyahu defend President Reuven Rivlin against what he described as incitement directed at Rivlin, after the president spoke last week at a Haaretz conference in which Breaking the Silence participated. 



read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693243?v=34C91E3566F3A7C968E75B0C6A2DEECF

The fact they are trying to tarnish Rivlin says just about everything.

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Re: Two New Defense Brass Join in Support for Breaking the Silence

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:07 pm

Interesting and again I think anyone would like the idea if the group actually came forward with these claims to then be fully investigated and yet this has instead excused through claims to wanting the anonymity of witnesses. Which leaves the group with a huge fundemental problem, as they are one sided claims, unverified, where even worse it does not allow for a chance to seek the truth of any of these matters. Everyone would like to learn if there is any truth to crimes committed of which you will find happen by some individuals in any army. Being that now most of these conflicts are recorded through videos, then their testimonies are at best on shaky ground. Where basically a group like Breaking the Silence go ultimately wrong, is they have gone off a position of viewing the IDF as a system as guilty, which is fundementally wrong, even more so when they do not udnerstand the rules of engagement. Its easy to make claims and then claim the IDF is surpressing information, which then does not allow for any fair or balanced investigation. At the end of the day allegations have to be investigated and the this means allowinng the IDF to also investigate, which is being denied by the group at every courner.

Now there is no doubt he IDF has prosecuted and found guilty those who break the rules. So from its starting position, the group is denying and hindering and further investigation of the allegations. What is more interesting in regards to these two surpporting, is that neither have made any such claims themselves.


Also its important to see two aspects here. One is innocence to proven guilty. The second is the group are the ones denying any chance of anyone ever being found guilty by denying access to the information to allow an investigation





As noted by journalist Matti Friedman:

More seriously, having promised to reveal the secret of the civilian death toll in Gaza in the form of systematic Israeli misdeeds, and having selected, with that purpose in mind, the most incriminating segments from much longer interviews, the report fails to deliver. Perhaps that is why, instead of letting readers examine the interviews and decide for themselves, the activist-editors of Breaking the Silence felt compelled to add a heated introduction announcing that their report “exposes” the true face of the Gaza operation—namely, its “disturbing” and “unprecedented” violence directed at civilians by the Israeli military.


According to the IDF,

The IDF is committed to properly investigating all credible claims raised via media, NGOs, and official complaints concerning IDF conduct during operation Protective Edge, in as serious a manner as possible. Today, as in the past, the organization Breaking the Silence has been asked to provide any evidence or testimony related to IDF activities prior to publication, in order for genuine investigations to be carried out. Unfortunately, as in the past, Breaking the Silence has refused to provide the IDF with any proof of their claims.

For obvious reasons such conduct makes any investigation by the relevant IDF bodies impossible, and does not allow for the claims and incidents brought up to be dealt with in an immediate and appropriate manner.

This pattern of collecting evidence over an extended period of time and refusing to share it with the IDF in a manner that would allow a proper response and, if required, an investigation indicates that contrary to its claims, this organization does not act with the intention of correcting any wrongdoings it allegedly uncovered, therefore we are unable to respond to the allegations raised. As in the past, the IDF calls on Breaking the Silence to turn to the relevant parties in the IDF immediately upon receiving complaints and evidence that raise suspicion of improper conduct or offenses, to allow investigation of events in due process.

It should be noted that following Operation Protective Edge, thorough investigations were carried out, and soldiers and commanders were given the opportunity to present any complaint. Exceptional incidents were then transferred to the Military Advocate General for further inquiry.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:27 pm

Away with Palestinian murder? IDF 'killer' given 45 days

https://www.rt.com/news/israel-soldier-45-days-525/

Near impunity for IDF soldiers who kill Palestinians

For what a court ruled was negligent manslaughter, Captain Zvi Koretzki was sentenced to two months imprisonment. Two officers convicted of negligence, after shooting up a vehicle in which a Palestinian toddler, Muhammad Jawadath, was sitting, and killing him, received, respectively, 30 days imprisonment and a four-month suspended sentence, and a month of work for the military and a four-month suspended sentence. Such is the price of a Palestinian toddler’s blood in the military justice system. A first sergeant convicted of “negligent manslaughter” and an attempt to obstruct the investigation received four-and-a-half months imprisonment and a similar suspended sentence; he was also demoted. Another NCO, convicted of “negligent manslaughter” – to wit, firing an assault rifle at the center of the body of a fleeing young man who was not endangering him in any way – was sentenced to seven months imprisonment, with the judge noting that “the effects of the event on the accused and his family were also a consideration when it came to sentencing, as did the operative and symbolic meaning of a demotion” (Hebrew). For in the grand scheme of things, what is the importance of a young Palestinian’s life, when weighed against ” the operative and symbolic meaning of a demotion?”

http://972mag.com/near-impunity-for-idf-soldiers-who-kill-palestinians/78351/

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Re: Two New Defense Brass Join in Support for Breaking the Silence

Post by sassy on Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:30 pm

And they still won't prosecute the people who burnt alive the baby and killed his mother and father.    And those who did it dance and stab his picture.

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Re: Two New Defense Brass Join in Support for Breaking the Silence

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:34 pm

That is negligence, not murder.
The victims were not deliberately targeted
You see there is plain evidence that those makiing such claims do so off not even understand the law.



The officer, Captain Tzvi Koretzky, who was convicted of negligent homicide by a military court, shot and killed Mohammed Zayid of the West Bank village of Nazlat Zeid.

Koretzky thought Zeid and a relative standing next to him were egging on dozens of boys who were throwing stones at the vehicles carrying troops who had entered the village in October 2002 following a terror warning of a car bomb.

Koretzky ordered the two boys to go into their house, which they did. The crowd of boys remained at the scene. Koretzky fired one bullet toward Zayid's home, which struck and killed the teen, who was in the living room.

The state claimed in Koretzky's defense that his actions constituted an "act of war" which grants immunity even if the soldier was negligent. However, Judge Sabri Mohssin ruled that the IDF initiated the action in order to locate a car bomb, and shooting at the house was not directly connected to the search for the bomb. Therefore, the fatal shooting could not be construed as an "act of war."

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/officer-to-pay-for-killing-w-bank-teen-1.227985

What this shows is how far removed people are of understanding the difficulties faced by soldiers in a perpetual situation of people hating them and their lives under constant threat. Hence why there is different laws governing soldiers The court certainly found him guilty, and what should be questioned is the lengh of sentencing. So to say bullshit as you did so childishly not having the first clue of understandiing the climate around which these soldiers have to work, is why you end up creating and fueling your own hate. This clouds any reasoning on your part

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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:45 pm

I will also add, that again going off claims where the evidence is not presented and from a view point which argues off the position of Israel to them being wrong, is still not allowing for a fair and balanced investigation. There is no court system I know of that does not allow for the investigation of alledged crimes by not providing any evidence for the alledged incidents. At least the Israeli's have convicted far more of their military personal for crimes againts Palestinians, than Fatah or Hamas have of where their militias or Police have been suspected of executions and murders of not only Israeli.s, biut also Palestinians.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

Yet this oddly enough does not concern those who support Breaking the silence and are clearly not concerned when to seek justice for the victims.. So they call for justice for the alledged crimes by the IDF, but are silent on injustices  and even worse, no matter whether Israeli or Palestinian victims of alledged crimes commited either Hamas or Fatah Militias. One then questions why some people claim to seek to fight an injustice on one side and blatantly ignore where there is real evidence of executions by Palestinian militias. Where is the Palestinian Break the Silence? Where is the call to fight this injustice? Why is there no arrests or convitions by Fatah oir Hamas? Why are you not condemning them for their failure to act? Is it because they are complicit in these crimes? If so why are you not and others calling for the heads of these organisations to be tried in the international criminal courts? Or do you class where palestinians murder other Palestuinians, sanctioned by each leadership as justified and lawful?

I suggest you may want to change that record you have continually stuck on the same teo tracks in your head, called.


Hypocrisy and double standards


As you seriously keep proving you have the worst double standards and that you are full of hypocrisy.
If the view is to combat alledged injustices, then you wwould call for the investigation of any injustices alledged by either side. Cleary the victims of alledged crimes, which have actual real supporting evidence of crimes commited by hamas and Fath, are deemed of lesser to near zero importance to you in seeking to obtain justice.

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