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Post by sassy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:34 pm

senior UKIP politician has weighed in to defend a boxer who claimed homosexuals will bring about the apocalypse – by insisting “lots” of people share his views.

Heavyweight boxing champ Tyson Fury has controversially been nominated for the BBC’s Sports Personality of the Year Award – after claiming that homosexuality and paedophilia will bring about the apocalypse.


Police are currently investigating a hate crime complaint against the boxer – who has also claimed that sex with children was legalised by a fictional ‘Gay Rights Act 1977’.

Members of the UK Independence Party have leapt to the boxer’s defence, with a senior politician insisting that “lots” of people share Fury’s views.
Fury’s comments linking gays and paedophiles were put to Cllr Peter Reeve, UKIP’s Local Government spokesman, during an interview with BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
He insisted the boxer’s comments should be allowed, adding: “There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Tyson said, because they are fundamental Christians. I respect them for that.

“I don’t necessarily agree with all of those opinions, but I respect them, and I want them to say what their true thought is.

“The reality is lots of people are thinking that, but are terrified to say it in public.”

The Cambridgeshire County Councillor said: “We believe passionately in freedom of speech, where if someone feels something, if they believe it – it’s their opinion, they should be absolutely entitled to say it, no matter what it is or who it offends.

“Equally [feminists] should have the right to debate against it, feel offended and react accordingly.

“We think society would be much healthier if people didn’t quietly close the door and speak amongst friends what their true opinions were – we’d rather they said them, so people could be judged on them.”

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/12/09/ukip-councillor-insists-lots-of-people-believe-gays-will-cause-the-apocalypse/

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:47 pm

the problem with the free speech for cowards idea is that they KNOW they are wrong which is why they are afraid to say it because they know they will rightfully be thought less of..
And as always said their free speech means why free speech to point out why they are Not only wrong but cowardly as 'fear to speak out in pubic' is pretty fucking lame excuse.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:50 pm

“There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Tyson said, because they are fundamental Christians. I respect them for that.

may as well say he respects fucking ISIS
Told you these guys are terrorists, they just too cowardly to act.. they are literally saying that, he respects the unfounded prejudice they have because of an old fairy tale they still believe in..
well ISIS is that fairy tale put into practice.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:28 pm

ah yes the veay school of politics


say it how yoiu see it.....but only if he sees it that way too

I say let the berks speak out, their own stupidity will ensure their demise...

I totally agree with

"We think society would be much healthier if people didn’t quietly close the door and speak amongst friends what their true opinions were – we’d rather they said them, so people could be judged on them.”

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:14 pm

Lord Foul wrote:ah yes the veay school of politics


say it how yoiu see it.....but only if he sees it that way too

I say let the berks speak out, their own stupidity will ensure their demise...

I totally agree with

"We think society would be much healthier if people didn’t quietly close the door and speak amongst friends what their true opinions were – we’d rather they said them, so people could be judged on them.”

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:17 pm

the problem being..... "the few" are totally and irretrieveably insane

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:43 pm

And that is why we are currently the top of the food chain Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:50 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
“There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Tyson said, because they are fundamental Christians. I respect them for that.

may as well say he respects fucking ISIS
Told you these guys are terrorists, they just too cowardly to act.. they are literally saying that, he respects the unfounded prejudice they have because of an old fairy tale they still believe in..
well ISIS is that fairy tale put into practice.

Don't be silly - they're not terrorists.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:53 pm

veya_victaous wrote:And that is why we are currently the top of the food chain Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
you think.....

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
“There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Tyson said, because they are fundamental Christians. I respect them for that.

may as well say he respects fucking ISIS
Told you these guys are terrorists, they just too cowardly to act.. they are literally saying that, he respects the unfounded prejudice they have because of an old fairy tale they still believe in..
well ISIS is that fairy tale put into practice.

Don't be silly - they're not terrorists.

Only because they just too cowardly to act..

They are saying they Fundamentally believe that gay people, Pagans etc should be killed. He respects that opinion. their god commands them to kill and he respects that Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

the guys is not different than a Saudi Politician trying to Justify ISIS's opinion.

'fundamental ANY religion' is the enemy of Secularism, by the very definition they cannot co-exist..

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:59 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't be silly - they're not terrorists.

Only because they just too cowardly to act..

They are saying they Fundamentally believe that gay people, Pagans etc should be killed. He respects that opinion. their god commands them to kill and he respects that Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

the guys is not different than a Saudi Politician trying to Justify ISIS's opinion.

'fundamental ANY religion' is the enemy of Secularism, by the very definition they cannot co-exist..

You could accuse anyone of being a terrorist who is too cowardly to act. It's interesting that you think terrorism is an act of bravery.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:00 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:And that is why we are currently the top of the food chain Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
you think.....

you think it wasn't the Crazy ones that decide to try and kill Sabre tooths with pointy sticks scratch

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:05 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't be silly - they're not terrorists.

Only because they just too cowardly to act..

They are saying they Fundamentally believe that gay people, Pagans etc should be killed. He respects that opinion. their god commands them to kill and he respects that Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

the guys is not different than a Saudi Politician trying to Justify ISIS's opinion.

'fundamental ANY religion' is the enemy of Secularism, by the very definition they cannot co-exist..

You could accuse anyone of being a terrorist who is too cowardly to act. It's interesting that you think terrorism is an act of bravery.

You could... But it is also those that have a Fundamental belief that Demands the destruction of secular society .. that realty makes them 'enemies of secularism'

More brave than Claiming to have fundamental beliefs and then not acting on them because you fear suffering a lesser discrimination because of your bigotry than you believe you should be inflicting on others.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:16 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
you think.....

you think it wasn't the Crazy ones that decide to try and kill Sabre tooths with pointy sticks scratch

yeah, but they were MY sort of crazy

YOUR sort of crazy went to tribal meeting bleating about how this was wrong, the fact that sabres were eating us was our fault for being tasty.... Rolling Eyes

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 pm

Pfft you really don't understand my opinion..... VOTE #1 SKYNET... No more meetings .... I work with Bureaucrats (Around/in-spite of them is more accurate)..
No better waste of time than to have a meeting with people that have opinions and wants but the not the capacity or knowledge to do.


Besides
Your the one saying we need to worry about peoples feelings Rolling Eyes
I say throw the cowards to the sabre tooth... or at least tell them to shut up and stay in the Cave and stop getting in the way   bounce bounce bounce

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Post by eddie on Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:14 pm

Jeez. Some people shouldn't be allowed to speak, especially in public Rolling Eyes

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:14 pm

He is entitled to his own opinions.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:He is entitled to his own opinions.

If those opinions are the same As ISIS
Which they are
then Upon Expressing that opinion he should be treated the same as any other ISIS supporter..

He is Entitled to have his opinions BUT he must bare the consequence of that opinion,
which is, he now needs to be disposed of like ISIS and Any other fundamentalist rubbish.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:29 pm

Bullshit

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit

So you think ISIS should be allowed to express their Opinion Freely?
That They are Entitled to it?

Or Do Good people stand up to evil Fuck wits And Say "You are Evil Fucktards and we are going to end you"

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:40 pm

Tyson fury is entitled to his own personal opinions.


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Tyson fury is entitled to his own personal opinions.


that's nice dear Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
but can you try posting something that is at all relevant to question...

So you think ISIS should be allowed to express their Opinion Freely?
That They are Entitled to it?
OR Maybe you could explain What gives Tyson fury the Magic Right that others don't have?

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:10 am

yeah..he doesnt actually run round murdering people

there is a fundamental human right to hold opinion ..EVEN IF that opinion is offensive or contrary
and by proven extension to communicate that opinion to others

what is NOT a right is to commit any act driven by that opinion if it breaches the rights of others

you do NOT have the right to "not be offended"

ISIS are perfectly entitled to express their opinion....oh wait...human rights dont attach to "bodies, corporations and govenments" ONLY to the "natural person"

so thats that ...

and even if they were allowed to do so...they are quite free to "hold an opinion"

they are NOT free to act on that opinion in a way that infringes basic human rights of others...

YOU are a bigger threat than ISIS...you and all the other leftys, with your rabid desire to stifle freedom of any opinion except what YOU find acceptable....

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:12 am

funny how two faced about human rights the left are....

the only ones that are applicable in the left world would be the ones they say are ...and then only WHEN they say they are....


odd that dontcha think?

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:36 am

http://www.ilga-europe.org/what-we-do/our-advocacy-work/hate-crime-hate-speech

Hate speech is public expressions which spread, incite, promote or justify hatred, discrimination or hostility towards a specific group

Try Again Vic, No it is not, it is Illegal to express Opinions that Justify the Illogical Hatred of Homosexuals.

And..
He very Carefully tries to suggest that they Are some peoples opinion that they are not necessarily his but he respects them???
what sort of disingenuous sort of crap is that, is a Muslim preacher Preached an anti Homosexual Rant with the preface,
 “There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Michael Adebolajo said, because they are fundamental Muslim. I respect them for that."
You'd be calling for them to be Hung

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:05 am

veya_victaous wrote:http://www.ilga-europe.org/what-we-do/our-advocacy-work/hate-crime-hate-speech

Hate speech is public expressions which spread, incite, promote or justify hatred, discrimination or hostility towards a specific group

Try Again Vic, No it is not, it is Illegal to express Opinions that Justify the Illogical Hatred of Homosexuals.

AN advocacy group????.....methinks they are "stretching interpretation" a little there


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A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—

(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

Offences under Part 3 carry a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment or a fine or both.[6]

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 inserted Section 4A into the Public Order Act 1986. That part prohibits anyone from causing alarm or distress. Section 4A states:

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he— (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.

A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or to both.[7]

The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 amended the Public Order Act 1986 by adding Part 3A. That Part says, "A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred." The Part protects freedom of expression by stating in Section 29J:

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.

The Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 amended Part 3A of the Public Order Act 1986. The amended Part 3A adds, for England and Wales, the offence of inciting hatred on the ground of sexual orientation. All the offences in Part 3 attach to the following acts: the use of words or behaviour or display of written material, publishing or distributing written material, the public performance of a play, distributing, showing or playing a recording, broadcasting or including a programme in a programme service, and possession of inflammatory material. In the circumstances of hatred based on religious belief or on sexual orientation, the relevant act (namely, words, behaviour, written material, or recordings, or programme) must be threatening and not just abusive or insulting.[8]


And..
He very Carefully tries to suggest that they Are some peoples opinion that they are not necessarily his but he respects them???
what sort of disingenuous sort of crap is that, is a Muslim preacher Preached an anti Homosexual Rant with the preface,
 “There’s an awful lot of people out there who genuinely believe what Michael Adebolajo said, because they are fundamental Muslim. I respect them for that."
You'd be calling for them to be Hung

and they do exactly that...quite regularly ...and are allowed to do so....much to the disgust of tommy and co....

me ...yeah go ahead and say it matey, dont whisper behind closed doors...let it all hang out......then I know exactly where you stand....

I dont say EITHER of em are right, and both should accept that what they are saying is likely to get em a brick to the skull
one from an outraged stonewall warrior
the other from an equally outraged EDL nut job.

freedom of opinion is exactly that

and we all know plenty of trite quotes about giving up freedoms for security and deserving neither dont we....

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Re: UKIP councillor insists 'lots' of people believe gays will cause the apocalypse

Post by veya_victaous on Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:34 am

well no wonder you morons have problems
do you let people Yell Fire in a crowded theater too?
do you think that is part of freedom?
are you guys going to stop being primitives any time soon?

NO Tommy's Opinion, Micheal's Opinion, Tyson's opinion ARE NOT OF VALUE.
every monkey has an opinion UNLESS you can back it is worthless.
If someone is a Liar then they Forfeit there right to speak.  If someone is a religious Fundamentalist they forfeit their right to speak, we are a SECULAR society.

You cannot be Secular and respect someone for being a religious fundamentalist.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:13 am

Fury is entitled to his opinions, and then if he is asked to give his opinions, he is entitled to do so...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Fury is entitled to his opinions, and then if he is asked to give his opinions, he is entitled to do so...



And everyone else is entitled to their own opinions about his opinions -- all in the name of fairness, of course.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:03 pm

exactly Ben, however what you are not allowed to do is say or do anything that breaches the right to opinion

you can say their opinion is worthles, stupid whatever

you are not allowed the option of encouraging the removal of the right to hold and communicate that stupid worthless opinion

you really dont understand human rights (or rather the spirit of the law behind them) do you

IF YOU can take away their rights....then YOUR rights are also up for grabs




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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:13 pm

Yes Ben. .. not the right to remove his opinions or his right to hold them.

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