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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:28 pm

So why is it there was actually attempts by Al-Qaeda to target Britain and the US before the Iraq war?
Nobody has denied it had an effect, but that does not excuse the rise which comes from the fact a poor narative is predominent among Muslims that see the west as the enemy.
Becuase we helped Kuwait? Antisemitism which denies the right for Israel to exist?

More poor apologetic reasons to justify the real problem of terrorism , Islam itself where it was a view that it was wrong to have foreign troops in Saudi.
That is a religious view point and all because we helped Kuwait
You need to look further back as to what the cause is.
You also clearly escape the antisemitism which is a major factor in the rise of islamic extremism.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:30 pm

So nothing to refute my points

Again would ISIS-Al-Qaeda-The Taliban-Boko Haram exist without the following?

Islam
Martydom
Sharia
Transgression
Jihad


Here we go again on oil, where you failed to answer my points proving this is a left wing and Muslim apologist argument.
I suppose we went to war with germany when they invaded Poland over oil now.
I suggest you start reading some real history and realise that both extremismt and non Muslim extremists believe the same incorrect narative that is peddeled by apologists such as yourself thinking there is a crusade against Islam
That is why it is so easy to turn Muslims to violence based off falsehoods of victimization to Islam.
Its time you woke up to the truth as you and others that believe this, are part of the problem.


What is the excuse for Boko Haram?
Where is the invasion for youi to use as an excuse for denying the findemental facts it is a problem within Islam itself and stright from doctrines?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:27 pm

Muslim aggression And Muslim terrorism didn't suddenly start after the Iraq war... it has been going on for over a thousand years...

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Re: Proving the link between British foreign policy and domestic terrorism

Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:50 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Muslim aggression And Muslim terrorism didn't suddenly start after the Iraq war... it has been going on for over a thousand years...

But the Christians started it. Don't ever forget that.


Bullshit

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:57 pm

So what transgressions were made by the peoples of North Africa to the extent that the Arabs conquered them?
Does transgression mean in islam once attacked, you can take all lands off the aggressor?
If that is the case, then your methodology would mean Israel has every right to the lands it won from the Arab nations aggressively attacking them.
Surely it works both ways?
It also shows in the Muslim mindset, Christianity means any nation Christian, thus attacking an excuse to conquer any because they are Christian, even if that nation never attacked them.
There is zero evidence to show anything other than the Arabs taking advantage of two Empires who had been at war with each other for a very long time and were thus weakend. The Byzantine Empire and the Sassanid Empire. You have to remember Islamic sources, written way later of course, are obivously going to claim being transgressed against, to cover up for their aggression with unprovoked attacks on nations.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:31 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Muslim aggression And Muslim terrorism didn't suddenly start after the Iraq war... it has been going on for over a thousand years...




But the Christians started it. Don't ever forget that.


Care to explain that...?

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:14 pm

true fuzzy

but you do get an awful lot of violence WITH religion

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Re: Proving the link between British foreign policy and domestic terrorism

Post by veya_victaous on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:15 pm

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Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Muslim aggression And Muslim terrorism didn't suddenly start after the Iraq war... it has been going on for over a thousand years...




But the Christians started it. Don't ever forget that.


Care to explain that...?

Roman Catholic Church?
You know the one that came to Britannia and murdered the Druids Wink


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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:31 pm

Muslim aggression starts with Mohammed and his gang of bandits who murdered, robbed and raped their way around the place in their selfish and evil quest for wealth and power... this was not about fighting against unfair imperial oppression!!!


And can't you see that it is the islamists behaviour which is provoking the responses againt them!?


Nobody cares if a load of twats wants to rub their noses into the floor and stick their arses in the air chanting mumbo jumbo 5 times a day... they can believe what they want... as long as they leave everyone else alone to believe whatever they want to believe... but they don't just leave it there do they...!?


They start trying to impose it all on others with the usual hostility and aggression being inflicted on others to enforce control...


This is totally unacceptable and this is why they are subject to action in response!!!

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Muslim aggression starts with Mohammed and his gang of bandits who murdered, robbed and raped their way around the place in their selfish and evil quest for wealth and power... this was not about fighting against unfair imperial oppression!!!


And can't you see that it is the islamists behaviour which is provoking the responses againt them!?


Nobody cares if a load of twats wants to rub their noses into the floor and stick their arses in the air chanting mumbo jumbo 5 times a day... they can believe what they want... as long as they leave everyone else alone to believe whatever they want to believe... but they don't just leave it there do they...!?


They start trying to impose it all on others with the usual hostility and aggression being inflicted on others to enforce control...


This is totally unacceptable and this is why they are subject to action in response!!!

Umm Tommy
Christians started that a solid 4 centuries before Mohammad was born.

In Fact the Last Group of religious fundamentalist to attempt genocide in the British isles were the Christians. Assuming you have Anglo Celtic blood, your ancestors were likely forced by the sword to become Christian .

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:53 pm

The Romans were about before Christianity... maybe it's all their fault...


But you miss the points...



Muslim aggression started with Mohammed and his gang of bandits who murdered, robbed and raped their way around the place in their selfish and evil quest for wealth and power...this was not about fighting against unfair imperial oppression!!!


And can't you see that it is the islamists behaviour which is provoking the responses againt them!?


Nobody cares if a load of twats wants to rub their noses into the floor and stick their arses in the air chanting mumbo jumbo 5 times a day... they can believe what they want... as long as they leave everyone else alone to believe whatever they want to believe... but they don't just leave it there do they...!?


They start trying to impose it all on others with the usual hostility and aggression being inflicted on others to enforce control...


This is totally unacceptable and this is why they are subject to action in response!!!








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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The Romans were about before Christianity... maybe it's all their fault...


But you miss the points...



Muslim aggression started with Mohammed and his gang of bandits who murdered, robbed and raped their way around the place in their selfish and evil quest for wealth and power...this was not about fighting against unfair imperial oppression!!!


And can't you see that it is the islamists behaviour which is provoking the responses againt them!?


Nobody cares if a load of twats wants to rub their noses into the floor and stick their arses in the air chanting mumbo jumbo 5 times a day... they can believe what they want... as long as they leave everyone else alone to believe whatever they want to believe... but they don't just leave it there do they...!?


They start trying to impose it all on others with the usual hostility and aggression being inflicted on others to enforce control...


This is totally unacceptable and this is why they are subject to action in response!!!








Christianity, and in likelihood Islam that followed, would never have taken off and grown so big if it wasn't for the being spread by the Roman's swords.

And I have no clue where you get your version of history by Mohammad didn't do that, he was nonviolent like Christ, in fact Islam in general was very peaceful and it was the Christians that were the aggressor (crusades etc) until Islam was almost wiped out by the Mongols and lost it intellectuals, since that point it has been the religion of hill shepherds (in the middle east at least) .

And western Behaviors promotes the response against it, we just keep going in circle tit for tat..
Well at this current point the west is SO MUCH stronger we can afford to try and be the bigger/better person and stop the cycle.

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Re: Proving the link between British foreign policy and domestic terrorism

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:19 pm

Bollocks!!!


Mohammed was non violent and much like Jesus...!!!???



Fuck off!!!


And you have the cheek to question my knowledge of history...!!!???



Unbelievable!!!



But now I can see why you are such a misguided fool and a twat!!!

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:13 am

Well he didn't even really travel outside the Arabian peninsula So your raped and murder his way around is Just LUDICROUS.
It is what dickheads post on Youtube not based in Fact at ALL.

he had NO soldiers until Meccan authorities sent them to Captured him for Execution, Unlike Christ he converted them and they became his body guards. So hard to compare after that point Since Christ failed and was nailed to Cross while Mohammad continued for another 2 decades. What is 100% is that when Either got military power to kill pagans they did. 

He traveled to Mecca (from a cave just outside of Mecca) and when they would not let him in he simply walked a circuit around mecca (now part of the hajj)
The next year he came with more followers, this time they included the solider sent to kill him, But again when denied entry he simply walked the circuit around mecca. Each year the number of followers grew and grew and it was this Peaceful demonstration that convince many meccas to join him.. eventually the meccan authorities had no choice but to let him in.



You have to be PRETTY FUCKING DUMB
to believe that a you can form a religion as wide spread as Islam on rape and murder. Maybe if you weren't a racsit You wouldn't think people with dark skin people are magic monsters following some daemon like thing. They are people following a person that made the same promises as the guy before him. the same message as Jesus. because most religions preach the idea of kindness to your fellow man.

Dumb shits like you join ISIS because you just want to hate them, because you are stupid. Grow a brain, people are people, the sky is the sky there is no magic or mystery to the way these institutions are formed and grow.

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Re: Proving the link between British foreign policy and domestic terrorism

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:08 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:So nothing to refute my points

Again would ISIS-Al-Qaeda-The Taliban-Boko Haram exist without the following?

Islam
Martydom
Sharia
Transgression
Jihad


Here we go again on oil, where you failed to answer my points proving this is a left wing and Muslim apologist argument.
I suppose we went to war with germany when they invaded Poland over oil now.
I suggest you start reading some real history and realise that both extremismt and non Muslim extremists believe the same incorrect narative that is peddeled by apologists such as yourself thinking there is a crusade against Islam
That is why it is so easy to turn Muslims to violence based off falsehoods of victimization to Islam.
Its time you woke up to the truth as you and others that believe this, are part of the problem.


What is the excuse for Boko Haram?
Where is the invasion for youi to use as an excuse for denying the findemental facts it is a problem within Islam itself and stright from doctrines?

Yes, all these groups would still exist even if there was no relgion. Becuase of what they perceive is being done to them by the West.

You don't get rid of violence with religion.



I never said you get rid of violence if you got rid of religion, but there would be no belief of Martydom and thus how many people would stupidly think they were going to heaven based off killing people?
It takes a belief system for that and if people are less likely to give their lives with no belief system, then clearly religion plays a very derisive part. Its aspects like this which make idiots think they can willingly go and stab, shoot and blow up people with no care if they did, the point you miss,

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:09 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Care to explain that...?

Roman Catholic Church?
You know the one that came to Britannia and murdered the Druids Wink



Wrong.

The Pagan Romans destroyed the druids, christianity to Britain was actually mainly peaceful and incorporated many pagan beliefs into saints.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:34 am

Didge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Care to explain that...?

Roman Catholic Church?
You know the one that came to Britannia and murdered the Druids Wink



Wrong.

The Pagan Romans destroyed the druids, christianity to Britain was actually mainly peaceful and incorporated many pagan beliefs into saints.

not according to the remaining Druid teachings hidden, According to Christians Yes the Christians came in peaceful But Not according to ANY ONE ELSE.

And Greater Britannia include Ireland Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So try and not simply history down to couple Christian tales about How kind they were Burning the Sacred groves

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veya_victaous wrote:
Didge wrote:



Wrong.

The Pagan Romans destroyed the druids, christianity to Britain was actually mainly peaceful and incorporated many pagan beliefs into saints.

not according to the remaining Druid teachings hidden, According to Christians Yes the Christians came in peaceful But Not according to ANY ONE ELSE.

And Greater Britannia include Ireland Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So try and not simply history down to couple Christian tales about How kind they were Burning the Sacred groves

Wrong again, it was the Romans that came to wipe out the druids, christianity was relatively peacefully in Britain and Ireland was not Britain or Greater Britania, as it was the Irish that started raiding the UK when the Romans left. You neglect they were many different tribes. In Fact early Christianity in the UK formed Celtic Christianity which was differernt from Pauline Christianity basically catholicism.
History is one thing you are not very good at Veya. So Christianity came to the Uk and spead very much without the sword. Later it was the Catholic church which seeked to eradicted the Celtic Christianity. St Augustine when he came was very surprised to find how widespread and thiving christianity was in Britain.


http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/ancient/anglesey/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Christianity

Right have to go, see ya Veya have a good day

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:47 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:The Romans were about before Christianity... maybe it's all their fault...


But you miss the points...



Muslim aggression started with Mohammed and his gang of bandits who murdered, robbed and raped their way around the place in their selfish and evil quest for wealth and power...this was not about fighting against unfair imperial oppression!!!


And can't you see that it is the islamists behaviour which is provoking the responses againt them!?


Nobody cares if a load of twats wants to rub their noses into the floor and stick their arses in the air chanting mumbo jumbo 5 times a day... they can believe what they want... as long as they leave everyone else alone to believe whatever they want to believe... but they don't just leave it there do they...!?


They start trying to impose it all on others with the usual hostility and aggression being inflicted on others to enforce control...


This is totally unacceptable and this is why they are subject to action in response!!!








Christianity, and in likelihood Islam that followed, would never have taken off and grown so big if it wasn't for the being spread by the Roman's swords.

And I have no clue where you get your version of history by Mohammad didn't do that, he was nonviolent like Christ, in fact Islam in general was very peaceful and it was the Christians that were the aggressor (crusades etc)
until Islam was almost wiped out by the Mongols and lost it intellectuals, since that point it has been the religion of hill shepherds (in the middle east at least) .

And western Behaviors promotes the response against it, we just keep going in circle tit for tat..
Well at this current point the west is SO MUCH stronger we can afford to try and be the bigger/better person and stop the cycle.


Complete bullshit again!!!


Mohammed and his gang of bandits did exactly what I said, everywhere they went... attacking and robbing everyone they found, and killing everyone who refused to bend over to them and join them in then attacking others...


It didn't take long before this large organised gang were too big for any local group to resist, and since the option being given to people was 'comply or die', it is easy to see how this evil spread...


The crusades didn't happen until after centuries of Muslim aggression and its spread across southern Europe, and which came to happen completely from Muslims pursuit of war and conquest!!!


All very well documented historical facts!!!



You are either lying or very misinformed...



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