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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:15 pm

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Palestinian report: Israel harvested the corneas of dead terrorist

By YASSER OKBI/ MAARIV HASHAVUA
Mon, 02 Nov 2015, 06:18 AM
Palestinian Ministry of Health claims to have made the discovery while inspecting the body at the morgue.

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-Israel-harvesting-corneas-of-dead-terrorist-431777#article=6018NzZGMzU5QzM4MkVBMUI0OUZBNTNEMzFFQjZFOTRGNEU=

Not the first time:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

If this isn't dehumanisation, then what is.
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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:32 am

lol what a twat, a jock of a twat at that ha ha

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:33 am

It seems some here care more for the dead than they do the living, it says it all and coming from the usual idioitic suspects

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:40 am

Didge wrote:lol what a twat, a jock of a twat at that ha ha

Oh dear here we go with the racially aggrivated language. It's what you do when you lose the plot. Seen it before often enough.

On that note I'll bid you a very goodnight where you can sort out all the body parts into a controlled stocking system for easy recovery and maybe you can visit a cuple of graves and rob them as well.

Nighty night.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:41 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:lol what a twat, a jock of a twat at that ha ha

Oh dear here we go with the racially aggrivated language. It's what you do when you lose the plot. Seen it before often enough.

On that note I'll bid you a very goodnight where you can sort out all the body parts into a controlled stocking system for easy recovery and maybe you can visit a cuple of graves and rob them as well.

Nighty night.

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No I just think you are a right thick c u n t ha ha

So no answer, see you later twat face


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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:23 pm

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Didge wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Insult me for my religion one more time and you know what I'll do ;-)

Bore me with more inane drivel?

Or make more excuses not to answer my points?

Use my old mobile number like a twat thinking I would not change it?

Sewriously, if you have no answer to my points, then stop being an immature twat and move on.

Lol! Did I force you to change your mobile number? HA HA!

No wonder you're so upset. Fair play.

Not to mention all that prostitute business your mother must have lost. I am sorry.

Zack this has just been brought to my attention.

Your comment about a posters mother, who is neither a member nor here to defend herself is unwarranted and nasty.

Consider this a warning.


Keep personal insults away from the forum.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:26 pm

Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:41 pm

Didge wrote:Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

You brought it to my attention???? Remember?
You told me that I had missed it. Remember?
You made a point of copy and pasting the thread link, remember?

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:43 pm

And back to the debate.
Are people placing the dead of more importance to the living?

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:31 pm

Didge wrote:Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

I don't want to get in the middle of your lovers tiff with Eddie.

Nor is it up to you to rescind anything.

Just relax and leave me out of it.

Eddie: warning noted. I was a naughty boy. Sorry Phil.
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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:48 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

I don't want to get in the middle of your lovers tiff with Eddie.

Nor is it up to you to rescind anything.

Just relax and leave me out of it.

Eddie: warning noted. I was a naughty boy. Sorry Phil.

I tell you what Zack.What you said about the prostitute money was very funny.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:55 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

I don't want to get in the middle of your lovers tiff with Eddie.

Nor is it up to you to rescind anything.

Just relax and leave me out of it.

Eddie: warning noted. I was a naughty boy. Sorry Phil.


If you do not want to get involved then why reply

Silly really

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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:22 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:Zack ignore the warning as I have no wish that you are issued with a warning and I am going to ask Ben to have this rescinded, as i do not wish this as eddie has lost the plot.

I don't want to get in the middle of your lovers tiff with Eddie.

Nor is it up to you to rescind anything.

Just relax and leave me out of it.

Eddie: warning noted. I was a naughty boy. Sorry Phil.

Thank you Zack. Good to know people can apologise when they know they're wrong.
Says a lot about a person.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:01 am

To the Ladies.

If you were needing eye transplants and they gave you the eyes of Myra Hindley what would you think of that?

They're in good condition and have seen a lot so should her body parts be harvested for use?

That's the solution being offered here by someone.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:09 am

‘Worse than Fascism:’ Tens of Thousands of Mainland Chinese Take a Stand on Forced Organ Harvesting

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1412992-worse-than-fascism-tens-of-thousands-of-mainland-chinese-take-a-stand-on-forced-organ-harvesting/

For the last two decades, China’s communist regime is believed to have engaged in the harvesting of organs from still-living political and religious prisoners. In the early stages, Uyghur Muslims are believed to have been targeted, according to researchers; later, it was practitioners of the repressed spiritual group Falun Gong who became the primary source of illicit organs transplants in China.

Investigative researchers estimate that since shortly after 1999, when the Communist Party launched its campaign to destroy Falun Gong, tens of thousands of people have been murdered for their body parts, which are sold to both domestic and international clients.

Though the crime of organ harvesting has been increasingly publicized in the free world since the mid-2000s, the Chinese regime maintains a tight clamp on all information and news about the killing.


Dead or alive - it makes no difference. Factory processing of body parts is no different.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:13 am

Alder Hey Organ scandal background

The scandal at Alder Hey Children's hospital centres on the retention of hearts and organs from hundreds of children.

The organs were stripped without permission from babies who died at the hospital between 1988-1996.

Hospital staff also kept and stored 400 foetuses collected from hospital around the north west of England.

The findings of an inquiry into the affair have been described by Health Secretary Alan Milburn as "grotesque" and helplines have been set up to deal with calls from distressed parents.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1136723.stm

When I first read about this I really felt sick to the bottom of my stomach.

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Post by sassy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:19 am

I wouldn't want her eyes and I wouldn't want the eyes of anyone who had not given permission or their family had not given permission, doubly so if it was a child who had died in dubious circumstances, because I know the pain of losing a child and I would not, under any conditions, make the pain of the family worse.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:00 am

And both the hamas supporters still hold some daft belief over dead bodies placing them of more value than those of the living tht need body parts in order to survive.
When will people get over their morbid view point of the dead body where the laws should change and they should be put to better use.
All that will happen is the bodies decompose, what use is that to the living when it just causes more to die?
Of course two people that support Hamas are two people who clearly back Martydom and a blood sacrifice so its no sureprise they back people dying

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Post by sassy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:06 am

Do wipe off the froth from round your mouth, it's not a good look.

We own our bodies, not the state, if we chose to be donors then that's brilliant, to give the state control of your body is complete totalitarianism.  Once you do that they can use any excuse to kill you and harvest your organs.   I doubt there is a person on here who can't see that and see what you have become.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:08 am

So when you are dead you would rather decompose and not have made good uswe of our body parts in order to save lives?

You again offer no reason why the law should not change to help the living.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:09 am

As to your reasons thaat people will be killed is utter nonsense and you just invent bullshit to deny helping those that need help.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:10 am

Also if it was law that bodies were used to to help the living there would be no need of others to kill for them, because all bodies would be used. So that argument falls apart.

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Post by sassy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:11 am

Of course Didge, you get on with your ramblings, I've had quite a day with one thing and another, so talking to a fool who thinks it ok to hand over your body to the state is not something that is high on my agenda at the moment.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:11 am

sassy wrote:Do wipe off the froth from round your mouth, it's not a good look.

We own our bodies, not the state, if we chose to be donors then that's brilliant, to give the state control of your body is complete totalitarianism.  Once you do that they can use any excuse to kill you and harvest your organs.   I doubt there is a person on here who can't see that and see what you have become.

Exactly and to the point. The state taking control of dead bodies for factory processing is morbid.

Most people who have an organ to debate that would save a life would do so wllingly and not be forced into it.

Alder Hey Didge?

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:14 am

You see the only argument you have is now morbid.
Get over your backward views, thi is about saving the living and one body can help save around 50 people.
You see the extreme left have no argument other than morbid.
So pathetic, where again they would rather more die than be saved.
If it became the practice then countless people would be saved.
Its time people stopped holding such morbid attachment to the dead, when we are dead that is it

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:24 am

Didge wrote:You see the only argument you have is now morbid.
Get over your backward views, thi is about saving the living and one body can help save around 50 people.
You see the extreme left have no argument other than morbid.
So pathetic, where again they would rather more die than be saved.
If it became the practice then countless people would be saved.
Its time people stopped holding such morbid attachment to the dead, when we are dead that is it

You have still to describe how this mandatory law would work.

Who would do all the recovery work in carving up the bodies?

Where would all the body parts be stored?

Who would get first call on the parts?

Would the origin of the parts be recorded so that those that need the parts have the option to accept or refuse them?

And who would run and regulate the process to ensure that all body parts are properly controlled and not
subject to abuse?

Have you really thought this through and do you fancy a bit of Ian Brady for yourself?

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:30 am

So now your objections is over how it would all work.
How abusrd.
Of course a system would be put in place of those in most need would come first.
The system would no doubt be a part of the pratice already used to extract body parts, it would just be expanded and no doubt also create more jobs and more people would have their lives saved.
The thing that gets me is that at every turn you are arguing against saving lives.
Your reasons, because you hold some backward belief over dead bodies.
Learn to grow up and realise what could be achieved here and how many lives could be saved.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:30 am

Meant to add. What do you think of what happened at Alder Hey hospital with the baby organ scandal?

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:32 am

What about it?
This is about a practice that would be organised and now everyone has their bodies of use when dead.
So previous scandals are moot, they would not be a concern anymore, as the practice would be legal.
No more underground illegal pratices, or did you not think of that?

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:42 am

Didge wrote:So now your objections is over how it would all work.
How abusrd.
Of course a system would be put in place of those in most need would come first.
The system would no doubt be a part of the pratice already used to extract body parts, it would just be expanded and no doubt also create more jobs and more people would have their lives saved.
The thing that gets me is that at every turn you are arguing against saving lives.
Your reasons, because you hold some backward belief over dead bodies.
Learn to grow up and realise what could be achieved here and how many lives could be saved.

No, my objections are wider than that or else you haven't read or understood what anyone on here has said.

You are handing the control of dead bodies to the state where it could happen that a young mother has given birth to a baby that has died and along comes someone like you to take away the baby and say that it is now the property of the state and we'll return to you what's left of it after we have taken all the parts that we want for re-use - you have no choice in what happens.

That's the ideology of a fascist state and you support that and quite honestly it's sick.

On that score I'll bid you a very good morning and leave you to work out a proper stock control system and work out just how obscene and grotesque that is.

Good morning.


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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:43 am

Didge wrote:What about it?
This is about a practice that would be organised and now everyone has their bodies of use when dead.
So previous scandals are moot, they would not be a concern anymore, as the practice would be legal.
No more underground illegal pratices, or did you not think of that?

You're deluded dude.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:44 am

Then you have immature objections, as the body does not belong to the state, all that is done is parts are used and then the body rightly is released as already happens to be buried or cremated.
So your objectiins are at best idiotic

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:45 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:What about it?
This is about a practice that would be organised and now everyone has their bodies of use when dead.
So previous scandals are moot, they would not be a concern anymore, as the practice would be legal.
No more underground illegal pratices, or did you not think of that?

You're deluded dude.

And you are vile to not wish to help the living based off some immature view of the dead

grow the hell up you idiot

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Post by eddie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:52 am

If someone came into your house and stole money because they were starving, you might forgive them - because they're starving.
But they still stole and took what was not rightfully theirs to take.

Same with body parts; no matter what, it's stealing, never mind the morality of it.

You seem to have a problem with getting your head round that very simple and lawful fact.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:07 am

Yet again an immature reply, where again you cannot even understand basic methodology, as there is no comparability to your views above.
Again the view is to use body parts, as when we are dead, the dead have no further use of them but the living can benefit from threm.
I have never seen so many people offer backward and poor views in order to stop saving lives. Taking the parts of a dead body is not going to effect the dead, as they are dead. Once the parts are extracted, then the body like where already happens with donations, is then buried or cremated

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Post by eddie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:16 am

Okay so you advocate STEALING to make your point?


We all understand that winning every single debate is paramount to your life Didge, even if it means lying to yourself and compromising your own moral values.

We get it.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:20 am

I said about making this law.

So stop being a child again

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Post by eddie on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:23 am

Stealing is ok by your definition.
We will all take absolute great pleasure in reminding you of this. clown

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:28 am

Seems you cannot understand what it means to changing the law.
Again of what use is dead bodey parts to the dead?

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Post by sassy on Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:51 pm

Israeli MDs Harvesting Organs for International Trafficking Ring

Costa Rica says ring allegedly sold kidneys to patients in Israel, East Europe; Health Ministry: No knowledge of reported cases.

Costa Rican authorities announced on Wednesday that they had broken up an international organ trafficking ring that worked with Israeli doctors and specialized in selling kidneys to patients in Israel and East Europe.

Costa Rica’s Attorney General’s Office said Israeli doctors had performed kidney-removal operations on some Costa Rican “donors” who sold their organs. Authorities also said the key suspect arrested in Costa Rica, a physician, had been in touch with Israeli doctors to match up Costa Rican kidney donors with Israeli recipients.

Performing such operations is a grave felony.

Costa Rican police together with Interpol are now investigating the case of a young woman who had been sent to Israel to donate a kidney, felt bad on the flight back, was taken off it at an interim stop and died.

Costa Rican authorities did not name any of the Israeli doctors alleged to be involved in the ring. Israel’s Health Ministry said it knew nothing about the affair.

In recent years Costa Rica has served as a destination for Israeli patients needing kidney transplants. The price for a kidney transplant on the black market is estimated at some NIS 700,000 per kidney.

San Jose police on Wednesday arrested Dr. Francisco Mora Palma, head of nephrology at the large Calderon Guardia Hospital, and raided a number of medical laboratories and clinics suspected of carrying out tests for the network’s doctors.

Attorney General Jorge Chavarria said the two people arrested − Mora Palma and an employee at Costa Rica’s Public Security Ministry − were the “tip of the iceberg” of the organ trafficking network.

Mora Palma was in touch with Israeli doctors and tested the suitability of the local residents whose organs were to be harvested in Israel, the Attorney General’s Office said.

Chavarria said the network’s doctors sent some of the “donors” to Israel to undergo the operation to have a kidney removed, while others had it removed in Costa Rica.

Sources involved in the investigation said they know of cases in which Israeli patients had been flown to Costa Rica to undergo surgery, without reporting to the health authorities.

Israel’s Health Ministry said in response to the report from Costa Rica that “the cases mentioned are not familiar and the Health Ministry does not know of them.”

It added: “Since 2008, when the New Organ Transplant Law was enacted, the health maintenance organizations and insurance companies stopped funding organ transplants ‏(which could be suspected of organ trafficking‏) for Israelis abroad. If Israelis did have transplants, as reported by the Costa Rica media, then they were funded privately, illegally and without the ministry’s agreement.”

About a year ago an Israeli organ-trafficking network was exposed in Israel. Its members used to fly Israeli patients for transplants in Kosovo and Sri Lanka. Other states suspected of having organ trafficking networks are Ecuador and Kazakhstan.

Chavarria also said Mora Palma and his associates used the hospital’s data bank to find suitable kidney harvesting candidates. These were usually needy men and women, who received $16,000-$20,000 for a kidney.

“We see these people as victims of an international crime ring,” the prosecutor said.

Israeli permits needed

If organ transplants arranged by the Costa Rican network were performed in Israel, as alleged, then the “donors” from Costa Rica appear to have obtained a permit for the harvest in Israeli hospitals, along with the approval of the Health Ministry committee that authorizes
organ donations from the living.

The committee authorizes donations from living donors who are not related, and is in charge of ascertaining that the donor was acting for humanitarian motives and did not receive payment for his organ.

However, in September 2005 the committee allowed an organ donation that had been presented as humanitarian, but after the death of the donor, a 38-year-old man from Ganei Tikva, it transpired that he had sold his kidney.

Until the New Organ Transplant Law was enacted, the HMOs sued to provide funding for Israelis’ organ transplants abroad, both as part of the complementary insurance and as part of state health insurance. This included states in which patients were required to pay the organ donors, like China and the Philippines.

However, since the law was passed, the number of Israeli transplants funded by HMOs abroad has been significantly reduced. Today they are performed only in states who allow organ donations from cadavers, and only if the hospital performing the operation signs a form ascertaining it does not deal with organ trafficking.

Thus, HMOs have approved funding for kidney transplants abroad only from cadavers in the United States, Russia and Latvia.

In 2007, 143 Israelis received kidney transplants abroad, but according to Health Ministry statistics, that number dropped to 35 in 2011. While transplants abroad have decreased, the new Organ Transplant Law has also led to a 50 percent increase in kidney transplants from live donors in Israel. Until two years ago Colombia performed 35 to 40 liver and heart transplants a year on Israeli patients in Medellin. But in the past year only four Israelis had transplants there, due to the restrictions imposed by Israel’s National Transplant and Organ Donation Center.

A senior official in the Clalit HMO recently asked Health Ministry director General Ronni Gamzu to arrive at a memorandum of understanding between Israel and Colombia to promote organ transplants there. The request was made ahead of Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos’ visit to Israel last week.

At the same time a group of patients awaiting transplants in Colombia have asked Health Minister Yael German to advance this initiative.

The Health Ministry has not decided on the issue yet. 
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NYT Finds 'Disproportionate Role' of Israelis in World Organ Trafficking

NYT identifies six patients who underwent kidney transplants in Costa Rica and three Israeli men it says are involved in trafficking.

A report Sunday in the New York Times sheds light on the role of Israelis in international organ trafficking. Through the story of Ophira Dorin, a 36-year-old Israeli woman, the report demonstrates how easy it is to illegally buy a kidney in Israel.

Costa Rican authorities announced last year that they had uncovered an international organ trafficking ring that specialized in selling kidneys to Israeli and eastern European patients. The Times said it was able to identify 11 patients – six of them Israelis – who underwent kidney transplants in San Jose, as well as two other Israelis who arrived to the Costa Rican capital with donors for procedures they said would not have been approved back home. The report puts Dr. Francisco Mora Palma, head of nephrology at the large Calderon Guardia Hospital in San Jose, at the center of the operation in Costa Rica.

By following Doris' story, the Times identified three Israelis it said were involved in the trafficking case - Avigad Sandler, Boris Volfman and Yaacov Dayan - describing them as being "among the central operators in Israel’s irrepressible underground kidney market."

Doris was originally referred to Sandler, but later changed to Volfman after she was told he could arrange transplants at a lower price. A day after their meeting, Volfman was arrested along with Sandler and others on suspicion of organ trafficking in an unrelated case. Soon after, Dorin was referred by one of her clients to Dayan.

When confronted by the Times reporter to explain his involvement in the case, Dayan said, "We help people," but refused to elaborate, only adding that he had been out of business for over 18 months at the time.

In a phone interview with the Times, Volfman described himself as a middleman who accompanied patients abroad to organize them accommodation, contacts and medical examinations. He insisted on never having any contact with the organ donors themselves and that it was up to the patients to choose the transplant center and pay them directly.

The story says Dorin wired money to the hospital in San Jose and to Dr. Mora, who then paid some $18,500 to an unemployed 37-year-old man for his kidney. This case is merely one of thousands of illicit transplants that take place around the world each year, experts cited in the report estimate.

Dorin told the Times that she even if what she was doing was illegal, after five years with a kidney disease, she felt she had no choice.

In recent years, more than a few Israelis have been mentioned in media reports involving international organ trafficking, whether in Ukraine, Kosovo, Turkey or Costa Rica.

The Times attributes the "disproportionate role" of Israelis involved in major organ trafficking cases partially to Jewish religious restrictions, which keep donation rates low in Israel.

According to the Israeli Health Ministry, less than 10 percent of the overall population in Israel is registered as organ donors – among the lowest rate among developed countries. The ministry reported an increase in registration after the Knesset passed a law in 2012 granting registered donors priority if they ever need a transplant. Also, in 2010, living donors began receiving compensation of several thousand shekels, which may have contributed to the increase. The compensation is meant to cover lost wages and related expenses.

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Israeli Organ Harvesting: From Moldova To Palestine

In August Sweden’s largest newspaper published an article suggesting that Israel had been taking Palestinian internal organs. The article, by veteran photojournalist Donald Bostrom, called for an international investigation.

Israel and its partisans immediately cried “anti-Semitism,” and Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin asserted that the story was “the tip of the iceberg in terms of European funded and promoted anti-Israel hate.”
The fact is, however, that Israeli organ harvesting—sometimes with Israeli governmental funding and the participation of high Israeli officials, prominent Israeli physicians, and Israeli government ministries—has been documented for many years. Among the victims have been Palestinians.
Nancy Scheper-Hughes is Chancellor’s Professor of Medical Anthropology at the University of California Berkeley, the founder of Organ Watch, and the author of scholarly books on organ trafficking. She is the pundit mainstream media call upon when they need expert commentary.
While Scheper-Hughes emphasizes that traffickers come from numerous nations and ethnicities, including Americans and Arabs, “Israel,” she states, “is at the top. It has tentacles reaching out worldwide.”

In a lecture last year she explained that Israeli organ traffickers “have a pyramid system at work that’s awesome...they have brokers everywhere, bank accounts everywhere; they’ve got recruiters, they’ve got translators, they’ve got travel agents who set up the visas.”
But this is no ordinary business. Organ traffickers prey on the world’s poorest, most desperate citizens, promising them what seem like astronomical sums of money ($1,000 to $10,000) in return for vital internal organs. As Scheper-Hughes points out, organ trafficking consists of “paying the poor and the hungry to slowly dismantle their bodies.”

Organ sales have been illegal in most countries for years, and the Convention against Transnational Organized Crime includes in its definition of human exploitation the extraction of organs for profit. Until very recently, however, the Israeli government not only permitted organ trafficking, it funded it.

Israelis are the leaders in “transplant tourism”—traveling to other nations to buy internal organs. While affluent individuals from numerous countries engage in this practice, Israel is unique in several ways.

First, Israelis partake at an extraordinarily high rate. According to a 2001 BBC report, Israelis buy more kidneys per capita than any other population.

Second, Israelis have the lowest donor rate in the world—one-third to one-fifth that of Europe—due in part to beliefs that Jewish religious law prohibits organ removal as “desecration of the body.”

Third, the Israeli government has enabled it. In testimony before a congressional subcommittee in 2001, Scheper-Hughes described what she termed Israel’s “national ”˜program’ of transplant tourism.” For many years the Israeli health system subsidized its citizens’ “transplant holidays,” reimbursing Israelis $80,000 for medical operations abroad, with the remaining costs largely covered by government-subsidized insurance plans. In addition, Israel’s Ministry of Defense has been directly involved, as members of the ministry or those closely related to them accompany transplant junkets.

Israeli traffickers have utilized people from diverse locations—the West Bank and Gaza, the Philippines, Eastern Europe. A BBC report described the situation in Europe’s poorest country—homeland of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman—where 90 percent of the people earn less than $2 a day: “Hundreds of Israelis have created a production line that starts in the villages of Moldova, where men today are walking around with one kidney.”

In China not long ago an Israeli paid a broker $100,000 for a kidney transplant from an 18-year-old girl. She herself received $5,000, and died following surgery. In Brazil a legislative commission found that Israeli traffickers no longer were content with just kidneys; they had begun inquiring into additional body parts—lungs, livers and corneas.
In her testimony, Scheper-Hughes pointed out that “The sale of human organs and tissues requires that certain disadvantaged individuals, populations, and even nations have been reduced to the role of ”suppliers.’ It is a scenario in which only certain bodies are broken, dismembered, fragmented, transported, processed, and sold in the interests of a more socially advantaged population...of receivers.”
In a 2008 lecture Scheper-Hughes discussed the motivations of Israeli traffickers. One was greed, she explained. The other was “revenge, restitution, reparation for the Holocaust.” She said some Israeli brokers and doctors had told her: “It’s kind of ”˜an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ We’re going to get every single kidney and liver and heart that we can. The world owes it to us.”

Organ Theft

At times traffickers coerce reluctant sellers. Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, the alleged trafficker recently arrested in an FBI sweep in New Jersey, reportedly carried a gun; when a potential organ seller wanted to back out, Rosenbaum would use his finger to simulate firing at the person’s head. Rosenbaum, believed to be part of a ring centered in Israel, is the first case of trafficking to be prosecuted in the U.S.

More often organ theft involves dead bodies—or those alleged to be dead.
Israel’s very first successful heart transplant, in fact, used a stolen heart.
In 1968 Avraham Sadegat unexpectedly died two days after being hospitalized for a stroke. When his family was able to retrieve his body (the hospital initially refused to release it) they found his chest covered with bandages—odd, they thought, for a stroke victim. Upon removing the bandages they discovered that the heart was missing.

During this time, the press was announcing Israel’s first heart transplant. The family began to raise questions, but the hospital denied any connection. After the family raised a media furor, petitioned three cabinet ministers, and signed a document that they would not sue, the hospital finally admitted it had used Sadegat’s heart.

An Israeli newspaper quoted Sadegat’s tearful wife: “From the moment he entered the hospital, they apparently saw him only as a potential source of organs and not as a man in need of treatment. They only thought about how to do the deed without us knowing.” Sadegat’s medical condition pre-organ removal is unclear. According to an Israeli media report, “Once a heart stops beating, it is no longer fit for transplantation.”
Sadegat’s family was Israeli. Had they been Palestinian, it is doubtful they would have been able to force a hospital confession—and suggestions that the first Israeli heart transplant utilized a stolen organ would, quite likely, be termed blood libels.

Yehuda Hiss, Keeper of the Morgue

Perhaps one of the most long-term and high-level cases of organ theft concerns Dr. Yehuda Hiss, Israel’s chief pathologist and, from 1988 to 2004, director of Israel’s state morgue, the Abu Kabir Institute of Forensic Medicine.

One of the first indications of malfeasance occurred in 1998 and concerned a Scottish tourist named Alisdair Sinclair, who died under questionable circumstances after being taken into Israeli custody.
His family brought his body home and found that it had been autopsied. They commissioned a second autopsy at Glasgow University and discovered that Alisdair’s heart and a tiny throat bone, the hyoid, were missing. The British Embassy filed a complaint with Israel.

A heart was then sent to Scotland, but when the family requested a DNA test to confirm its identity, Hiss refused, citing prohibitive cost. DNA tests were eventually conducted but proved inconclusive. According to several reports, a researcher had put in a request for a hyoid bone around the time of Sinclair’s death and eventually received a bill for shipping costs.
Over the following years Hiss was often the center of accusations. An Israeli newspaper published an investigative report charging that diverse body parts—“legs, thighs, ovaries, breasts and testicles”—had been removed without permission and sold to medical institutions. The bodies were stuffed with broomsticks and cotton wool.

Although government investigations confirmed the main facts, little was done, and complaints continued—often from parents of dead Israeli soldiers. Finally, in 2004, Israel’s health minister removed Hiss as director of the morgue, while retaining him as Israel’s chief pathologist.
Hiss had been involved in previous controversies concerning the Israeli government. In one he was suspected of falsifying a DNA test in an investigation into the “Yemenite Children Affair,” in which a thousand children of immigrants disappeared. (Many believe that some, at least, were adopted out, for pay.) Hiss has also been accused of falsifying evidence to the commission investigating the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

Palestinian Victims

For decades Palestinians have charged Israel with taking organs from Palestinians its soldiers wounded or killed.

In her subcommittee testimony Scheper-Hughes stated, “Human rights groups in the West Bank complained to me of tissue and organs stealing of slain Palestinians by Israeli pathologists at the national Israeli legal medical institute in Tel Aviv.”

A 1990 article in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, for Middle East Affairs reported “widespread anxiety over organ thefts which has gripped Gaza and the West Bank since the intifada began in December of 1987,” and quoted a forensic physician: “There are indications that...organs, especially eyes and kidneys, were removed from the bodies during the first year or year and a half.”

Such statements were largely ignored, often portrayed as anti-Semitic exaggeration. According to The Forward magazine, however, the Israeli government corroborated them in 2001. The Forward reports that an investigation into Hiss revealed that he “seemed to view every body that ended up in his morgue, whether Israeli or Palestinian, as fair game for organ harvesting.”

Over the years a great many Palestinian bodies have “ended up” in the Israeli morgue.

Israeli forces have frequently taken custody of Palestinians they have wounded or killed. Sometimes the bodies were kept in Israel, buried in unidentified graves in what are known as “cemeteries of numbers.” In other cases they were returned late at night days later with crudely stitched naval-to-chin incisions, and Israel requiring the bereaved families to bury their children, husbands, and brothers immediately—sometimes with the electricity shut off—and Israeli soldiers overseeing the funeral.
In 2005 an Israeli soldier described a military doctor who gave “medics lessons” using the body of a Palestinian killed by Israeli forces. Haaretz reports: “The soldier said that the Palestinian’s body had been riddled with bullets and that some of his internal organs had spilled out. The doctor pronounced the man dead and then ”˜took out a knife and began to cut off parts of the body. He explained the various parts to us—the membrane that covers the lungs, the layers of the skin, the liver. ”˜I didn’t say anything because I was still new in the army. Two of the medics moved away, and one of them threw up. It was all done very brutally. It was simply contempt for the body.’”

Palestinians, of course, are an unusually vulnerable population. Human rights reports have documented a situation in which Palestinians have few real rights: Israeli forces have killed civilians with impunity, imprisoned massive numbers without charges or trials, abused prisoners, and strip-searched children. And just as Palestinians have little ability to protect their bodies when they’re living, they’re equally unable to prevent their desecration when they’re dead. By Israel’s own admission, Israeli authorities cut open Palestinian corpses without permission of the families, without public transparency, and without, it appears, normal autopsy reports.

At the same time, some Israelis hold extremist views regarding organ extraction. In 1996 Jewish Week reported that Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh, a leader of the Lubavitch sect of Judaism and the dean of a religious Jewish school in a West Bank settlement, had stated: “If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that.”

Ginsburgh elaborated: “Jewish life has infinite value. There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.”
While the Israeli government briefly arrested Ginsburgh, and most Israelis decry such beliefs, an Israeli scholar on Jewish scriptural views and ethnic chauvinism said: “The sad thing is, these statements are in our books.” He pointed out that while such Talmudic texts were “purely theoretical” at the time they were written, now they’re being cited “in circumstances where Jews have a state and are empowered.”

Dr. A. Clare Brandabur, an American professor, writes that information in the Swedish article resonated with reports she heard during the first intifada.

She described interviewing the head of the Red Crescent in Gaza, mentioning “reports of shootings of Palestinian children at times when there were no ”˜clashes’ going on—a solitary 6-year-old entering his schoolyard in the morning with his book-bag on his back. The soldiers abducted the wounded child at gunpoint, then his body would be returned a few days later having undergone an ”˜autopsy at Abu Kabir Hospital.’”
She asked the director “if he had considered the possibility that these killings were being done for organ transplant, since...it is not allowed to take Jewish organs to save a Jewish life, but it is allowed to take the organs of non-Jews to save Jewish lives.”

He had “suspected such things,” he replied, “but since they had no access to the records of Abu Kabir Hospital, there was no way to verify these suspicions.”

The Swedish newspaper’s call for an investigation into Israel’s treatment of Palestinian bodies is now being echoed by others. Such an investigation could dispel inaccurate suspicions, absolve the innocent, and discover the guilty.

Israel and its powerful advocates abroad are doing their best to prevent that from happening.

http://www.wrmea.org/2009-november/israeli-organ-harvesting-from-moldova-to-palestine.html

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Israeli citizen who made millions off black market organ trade and proclaimed himself the 'Robin Hood of kidneys' is released from US prison

Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, who ran a black market kidney business paid Israeli donors $10,000 each for kidneys that he sold to Americans for $120,000, has been released from prison.
He called himself the 'Robin Hood of kidneys,' but the federal government says he trafficked in human organs and preyed on the desperation of people in need of kidneys to make himself millions. 
Despite the conviction, Rosenbaum - and Israeli citizen - will be allowed to remain in the United States and will not be deported. 
His lawyer Edward Schulman said immigration officials found that his crime was not one of 'moral turpitude.'


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'Robin Hood of kidneys?' Levy Izhak Rosenbaum paid Israeli donors $10,000 for kidneys and sold them in America for $120,000 or more
Rosenbaum, now 63, was arrested in 2009 in what became the biggest corruption case ever in New Jersey. He had been living legally in the US.
He pleaded guilty to illegally selling human organs in 2011 and served more than two years in prison.
He was released this week from the federal correctional facility at New Jersey's Fort Dix, and Shulman said he has returned to his home in New York City's Brooklyn borough.
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So basically Israelis regard donating their organs when they die as desecration of the human body and have the lowest donation rate in the world, but still want organs themselves when sick.

Certainly explains why they won't let medics through and let kids bleed out and die before they are picked up.

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Didge wrote:Regurgitating the same story

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Why are you defending organ trafficking? Because it's been done by friends of yours?

Why are you defending paedophile English teachers in Thailand? Because it's been done by friends of yours?
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Hell was made for men like these. Hope he burns.
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Still no evidence of Israel trafficking organs or stealing them

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