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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:17 am

If like the moslems say allah is the same God of the bible and christians and moslems worship the same god , why does their koran tell them kill those who do not convert to islam , surely if it is the same god there is no need to convert ?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:20 am

Who cares, as there is no evidence for their existance.
The fact is both books have a vengeful deity, where love is conditional, that is if you do not love God, you would be eternally punished. That is abhorant and not worthy of any love. Just imagine parents treating their own child this way, where love was conditional and if the child did not love them then the parents would torture then for the rest of their lives.
How anyone can love something that is pure evil is beyond comprehension.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:23 am

many care as it has been mentioned on this forum only last night , and it obviously bothers you didge as you're always going on about the bible and trying to convert Christians to your religion (atheism) .

can you answer the question ?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:24 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:many care as it has been mentioned on this forum only last night , and it obviously bothers you didge as you're always going on about the bible and trying to convert Christians to your religion (atheism) .

can you answer the question ?

Frankly it is a daft argument where again why would you love something which requires conditions on that love?
I do not follow a religion, athiesm means no belief, so you are very much in error.
So what concerns me is why people which to believe in evil, as both the Biblical deity and the Quran deity are evil.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:25 am

the bible and the koran and any other religious books or texts were all written by human beings (and not necessarily sane ones). Think we need to remember none of them were actually written by God!!

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:26 am

gelico again wrote:the bible and the koran and any other religious books or texts were all written by human beings (and not necessarily sane ones).  Think we need to remember none of them were actually written by God!!

100% agree.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:27 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:many care as it has been mentioned on this forum only last night , and it obviously bothers you didge as you're always going on about the bible and trying to convert Christians to your religion (atheism) .

can you answer the question ?

hello vod

take the story of job. God took everything from him,,,,,,,as a test???

who would want anything to do with such tyranny?


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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:37 am

gelico again wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:many care as it has been mentioned on this forum only last night , and it obviously bothers you didge as you're always going on about the bible and trying to convert Christians to your religion (atheism) .

can you answer the question ?

hello vod

take the story of job.  God took everything from him,,,,,,,as a test???

who would want anything to do with such tyranny?


Dont you have to go through an interview for a new job??


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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:57 am

gelico again wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:many care as it has been mentioned on this forum only last night , and it obviously bothers you didge as you're always going on about the bible and trying to convert Christians to your religion (atheism) .

can you answer the question ?

hello vod

take the story of job.  God took everything from him,,,,,,,as a test???

who would want anything to do with such tyranny?


But he did go through it , but it was satan that took everything from him not God and he was even accused of wrong doing by his friends who told him to repent , but he was blessed in the end.

I don't know how that makes allah the same God though , but thank you for your input gelico .

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:09 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:If like the moslems say allah is the same God of the bible and christians and moslems worship the same god , why does their koran tell them kill those who do not convert to islam , surely if it is the same god there is no need to convert ?
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:14 am

I see your point

The world is currently watching a very violent Christian army rising up and conquering other countries, beheading people raping woman and careying out. Genocide

Oh wait..........

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:15 am

smelly-bandit wrote:I see your point

The world  is currently watching a very violent Christian army rising up and conquering other countries, beheading people raping woman and careying out. Genocide

Oh wait..........

Well they have for centuries, just because there is a lull does not mean it will not happen again.
Are you trying to white wash history again?

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:18 am

gelico again wrote:the bible and the koran and any other religious books or texts were all written by human beings (and not necessarily sane ones).  Think we need to remember none of them were actually written by God!!

the koran was mainly written by a girl who was sexually abused t a very early age, that much we do know..

the bible carries truths and understanding ahead of it's time, which to me shows it was not written by man...


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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:19 am

smelly-bandit wrote:I see your point

The world  is currently watching a very violent Christian army rising up and conquering other countries, beheading people raping woman and careying out. Genocide

Oh wait..........

excellent point..

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:15 am

korban dallas wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:If like the moslems say allah is the same God of the bible and christians and moslems worship the same god , why does their koran tell them kill those who do not convert to islam , surely if it is the same god there is no need to convert ?
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god.  Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him.  Jude 5

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:17 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god.  Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him.  Jude 5


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.



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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:17 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god.  Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him.  Jude 5

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari  Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


brilliant post, very well done xx

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:20 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari  Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


brilliant post, very well done xx

It rubbish because it was mumbo jumbo.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:29 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god.  Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you.  Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own.  Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him.  Jude 5

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari  Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


doesn't the koran quote allah as saying i have no son....

in the bible God says of Jesus "this is my son in whom I am well pleased"

they can't be the same God can they...

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:31 am

Cuchulain wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:I see your point

The world  is currently watching a very violent Christian army rising up and conquering other countries, beheading people raping woman and careying out. Genocide

Oh wait..........

Well they have for centuries, just because there is a lull does not mean it will not happen again.
Are you trying to white wash history again?

History isnt killing people in iraq or syria is it??

But never mind let's ignore the present anf focus and the distant past instead

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:33 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari  Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


doesn't the koran quote allah as saying i have no son....

in the bible God says of Jesus "this is my son in whom I am well pleased"

they can't be the same God can they...

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:34 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Well they have for centuries, just because there is a lull does not mean it will not happen again.
Are you trying to white wash history again?

History isnt killing people in iraq or syria is it??

But never mind let's ignore the present anf focus and the distant past instead

Are you saying there has never been those who kill in the name of Christianity?
Who is to say this will not happen in the future.
Lets face it both the US and South America have some of the highest murder rates in the world and they are mainly christians also.
Which makes your argument absured as per usual.
L;ets face it religion is mumbo jumbo and sadly allows people to think they can impose their beliefs on others.
The sooner people realise its all bullshit, the more likely the world will evolve to a better level

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:34 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari  Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY  what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


doesn't the koran quote allah as saying i have no son....

in the bible God says of Jesus "this is my son in whom I am well pleased"

they can't be the same God can they...

It doesn't talk about his son but it does reference his three daughters

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:38 am

Cuchulain wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

History isnt killing people in iraq or syria is it??

But never mind let's ignore the present anf focus and the distant past instead

Are you saying there has never been those who kill in the name of Christianity?
Who is to say this will not happen in the future.
Lets face it both the US and South America have some of the highest murder rates in the world and they are mainly christians also.
Which makes your argument absured as per usual.
L;ets face it religion is mumbo jumbo and sadly allows people to think they can impose their beliefs on others.
The sooner people realise its all bullshit, the more likely the world will evolve to a better level

I think its fairly obvious what im saying Walter

This is going to be a long day if you cannot keep up with the discussion

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:39 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Are you saying there has never been those who kill in the name of Christianity?
Who is to say this will not happen in the future.
Lets face it both the US and South America have some of the highest murder rates in the world and they are mainly christians also.
Which makes your argument absured as per usual.
L;ets face it religion is mumbo jumbo and sadly allows people to think they can impose their beliefs on others.
The sooner people realise its all bullshit, the more likely the world will evolve to a better level

I think its fairly obvious what  im saying Walter

This is going to be a long day if you cannot keep up with the discussion

Listen dumbo, it seems you are struggling here.
What faith are most people in America and South America?
What is the sixth commandment?

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Post by sassy on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:42 am

10 worst examples of Christian or far-right terrorism in USA up to 2012



1. Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, Aug. 5, 2012. The virulent, neocon-fueled Islamophobia that has plagued post-9/11 America has not only posed a threat to Muslims, it has had deadly consequences for people of other faiths, including Sikhs. Sikhs are not Muslims; the traditional Sikh attire, including their turbans, is different from traditional Sunni, Shiite or Sufi attire. But to a racist, a bearded Sikh looks like a Muslim. Only four days after 9/11, Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh immigrant from India who owned a gas station in Mesa, Arizona, was murdered by Frank Silva Roque, a racist who obviously mistook him for a Muslim.
But Sodhi’s murder was not the last example of anti-Sikh violence in post-9/11 America. On Aug. 5, 2012, white supremacist Wade Michael Page used a semiautomatic weapon to murder six people during an attack on a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Page’s connection to the white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate. Attorney General Eric Holder described the attack as “an act of terrorism, an act of hatred.” It was good to see the nation’s top cop acknowledge that terrorist acts can, in fact, involve white males murdering people of color.
2. The murder of Dr. George Tiller, May 31, 2009. Imagine that a physician had been the victim of an attempted assassination by an Islamic jihadist in 1993, and received numerous death threats from al-Qaeda after that, before being murdered by an al-Qaeda member. Neocons, Fox News and the Christian Right would have had a field day. A physician was the victim of a terrorist killing that day, but neither the terrorist nor the people who inflamed the terrorist were Muslims. Dr. George Tiller, who was shot and killed by anti-abortion terrorist Scott Roeder on May 31, 2009, was a victim of Christian Right terrorism, not al-Qaeda.
Tiller had a long history of being targeted for violence by Christian Right terrorists. In 1986, his clinic was firebombed. Then, in 1993, Tiller was shot five times by female Christian Right terrorist Shelly Shannon (now serving time in a federal prison) but survived that attack. Given that Tiller had been the victim of an attempted murder and received countless death threats after that, Fox News would have done well to avoid fanning the flames of unrest. Instead, Bill O’Reilly repeatedly referred to him as “Tiller the baby killer.” When Roeder murdered Tiller, O’Reilly condemned the attack but did so in a way that was lukewarm at best.
Keith Olbermann called O’Reilly out and denounced him as a “facilitator for domestic terrorism” and a “blindly irresponsible man.” And Crazy for Godauthor Frank Schaffer, who was formerly a figure on the Christian Right but has since become critical of that movement, asserted that the Christian Right’s extreme anti-abortion rhetoric “helped create the climate that made this murder likely to happen.” Neocon Ann Coulter, meanwhile, viewed Tiller’s murder as a source of comic relief, telling O’Reilly, “I don’t really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester.” The Republican/neocon double standard when it comes to terrorism is obvious. At Fox News and AM neocon talk radio, Islamic terrorism is a source of nonstop fear-mongering, while Christian Right terrorism gets a pass.
3. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting, July 27, 2008. On July 27, 2008, Christian Right sympathizer Jim David Adkisson walked into the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays, and he considered neocon Bernard Goldberg’s book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, his political manifesto. Adkisson (who pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder and is now serving life in prison without parole) was vehemently anti-abortion, but apparently committing an act of terrorism during a children’s play was good ol’ Republican family values. While Adkisson’s act of terrorism was reported on Fox News, it didn’t get the round-the-clock coverage an act of Islamic terrorism would have garnered.
4. The murder of Dr. John Britton, July 29, 1994. To hear the Christian Right tell it, there is no such thing as Christian terrorism. Tell that to the victims of the Army of God, a loose network of radical Christianists with a long history of terrorist attacks on abortion providers. One Christian Right terrorist with ties to the Army of God was Paul Jennings Hill, who was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003 for the murders of abortion doctor John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. Hill shot both of them in cold blood and expressed no remorse whatsoever; he insisted he was doing’s God’s work and has been exalted as a martyr by the Army of God.

5. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.
Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.
6. The murder of Barnett Slepian byJames Charles Kopp, Oct. 23, 1998. Like Paul Jennings Hill, Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder, James Charles Kopp is a radical Christian terrorist who has been exalted as a hero by the Army of God. On Oct. 23, 1998 Kopp fired a single shot into the Amherst, NY home of Barnett Slepian (a doctor who performed abortions), mortally wounding him. Slepian died an hour later. Kopp later claimed he only meant to wound Slepian, not kill him. But Judge Michael D’Amico of Erin County, NY said that the killing was clearly premeditated and sentenced Kopp to 25 years to life. Kopp is a suspect in other anti-abortion terrorist attacks, including the non-fatal shootings of three doctors in Canada, though it appears unlikely that Kopp will be extradited to Canada to face any charges.
7. Planned Parenthood bombing, Brookline, Massachusetts, 1994. Seldom has the term “Christian terrorist” been used in connection with John C. Salvi on AM talk radio or at Fox News, but it’s a term that easily applies to him. In 1994, the radical anti-abortionist and Army of God member attacked a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts, shooting and killing receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols and wounding several others. Salvi was found dead in his prison cell in 1996, and his death was ruled a suicide. The Army of God has exalted Salvi as a Christian martyr and described Lowney and Nichols not as victims of domestic terrorism, but as infidels who got what they deserved. The Rev. Donald Spitz, a Christianist and Army of God supporter who is so extreme that even the radical anti-abortion group Operation Rescue disassociated itself from him, has praised Salvi as well.
8. Suicide attack on IRS building in Austin, Texas, Feb. 18, 2010. When Joseph Stack flew a plane into the Echelon office complex (where an IRS office was located), Fox News’ coverage of the incident was calm and matter-of-fact. Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa seemed to find the attack amusing and joked that it could have been avoided if the federal government had followed his advice and abolished the IRS. Nonetheless, there were two fatalities: Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter. Stack left behind a rambling suicide note outlining his reasons for the attack, which included a disdain for the IRS as well as total disgust with health insurance companies and bank bailouts. Some of the most insightful coverage of the incident came from Noam Chomsky, who said that while Stack had some legitimate grievances—millions of Americans shared his outrage over bank bailouts and the practices of health insurance companies—the way he expressed them was absolutely wrong.

9. The murder of Alan Berg, June 18, 1984. One of the most absurd claims some Republicans have made about white supremacists is that they are liberals and progressives. That claim is especially ludicrous in light of the terrorist killing of liberal Denver-based talk show host Alan Berg, a critic of white supremacists who was killed with an automatic weapon on June 18, 1984. The killing was linked to members of the Order, a white supremacist group that had marked Berg for death. Order members David Lane (a former Ku Klux Klan member who had also been active in the Aryan Nations) and Bruce Pierce were both convicted in federal court on charges of racketeering, conspiracy and violating Berg’s civil rights and given what amounted to life sentences.
Robert Matthews, who founded the Order, got that name from a fictional group in white supremacist William Luther Pierce’s anti-Semitic 1978 novel, The Turner Diaries—a book Timothy McVeigh was quite fond of. The novel’s fictional account of the destruction of a government building has been described as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.
10. Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995.Neocons and Republicans grow angry and uncomfortable whenever Timothy McVeigh is cited as an example of a non-Islamic terrorist. Pointing out that a non-Muslim white male carried out an attack as vicious and deadly as the Oklahoma City bombing doesn’t fit into their narrative that only Muslims and people of color are capable of carrying out terrorist attacks. Neocons will claim that bringing up McVeigh’s name during a discussion of terrorism is a “red herring” that distracts us from fighting radical Islamists, but that downplays the cruel, destructive nature of the attack.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:46 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Are you saying there has never been those who kill in the name of Christianity?
Who is to say this will not happen in the future.
Lets face it both the US and South America have some of the highest murder rates in the world and they are mainly christians also.
Which makes your argument absured as per usual.
L;ets face it religion is mumbo jumbo and sadly allows people to think they can impose their beliefs on others.
The sooner people realise its all bullshit, the more likely the world will evolve to a better level

I think its fairly obvious what  im saying Walter

This is going to be a long day if you cannot keep up with the discussion

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:46 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

doesn't the koran quote allah as saying i have no son....

in the bible God says of Jesus "this is my son in whom I am well pleased"

they can't be the same God can they...

It doesn't talk about his son but it does reference his three daughters

that's interesting have you got a link for that information...

i read a wonderful piece about the moon god, very compelling...

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Post by stardesk on Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:43 pm

Hi folks. Shall we set the record straight?
Christianity and all its stories would have been well know right across the Middle East, as well as Europe, even as far as Ireland. It wasn’t until approx’ 700 years after Jesus, that the Koran was written. I’ve taken the liberty of copying here, from my Koran, many names in its index that are from the Bible,
Verifying my point of one following the other.
From the Koran’s Index:
Aaron.
Abraham.
Angels.
The twelve Apostles.
Noah’s Ark.
Babylon.
Benjamin.
Cain & Abel.
Covenant with Adam. Children of Israel.
David & Goliath. David & Solomon.
Gardens of Eden.
Elijah.
The Flood.
Gabriel.
Goliath.
The Gospels.
Isaac.
Children of Israel.
Jacob.
Jesus.  (Yes, even Jesus.)
Jews.
Job.
Jonah.
John the Baptist.
Joseph.
Lot.
Michael.
Moses.
Noah.
Pharaoh.
Prayers of Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Noah, Solomon, Zachariah.
Psalms.
Satan.
Saul.
Sheba.
Solomon.
The Torah.
The Trinity.
Zachariah.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:06 pm

stardesk wrote:Hi folks. Shall we set the record straight?
Christianity and all its stories would have been well know right across the Middle East, as well as Europe, even as far as Ireland. It wasn’t until approx’ 700 years after Jesus, that the Koran was written. I’ve taken the liberty of copying here, from my Koran, many names in its index that are from the Bible,
Verifying my point of one following the other.
From the Koran’s Index:
Aaron.
Abraham.
Angels.
The twelve Apostles.
Noah’s Ark.
Babylon.
Benjamin.
Cain & Abel.
Covenant with Adam. Children of Israel.
David & Goliath. David & Solomon.
Gardens of Eden.
Elijah.
The Flood.
Gabriel.
Goliath.
The Gospels.
Isaac.
Children of Israel.
Jacob.
Jesus.  (Yes, even Jesus.)
Jews.
Job.
Jonah.
John the Baptist.
Joseph.
Lot.
Michael.
Moses.
Noah.
Pharaoh.
Prayers of Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Noah, Solomon, Zachariah.
Psalms.
Satan.
Saul.
Sheba.
Solomon.
The Torah.
The Trinity.
Zachariah.

i think what you mean is the koran copying the bible...

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:42 pm

But it still doesn't answer the question does it . I know what i believe but many still believe allah is the God of the bible .

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:06 pm

I think the simplest way to put it is that the Jews had a concept of God, which was adopted and altered by Christians and then further altered by Muslims. Basically it's the same God, but the three groups have different beliefs as to what the truth is about God.

You see the same thing to a lesser degree among the denominations of those three religions.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:07 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think the simplest way to put it is that the Jews had a concept of God, which was adopted and altered by Christians and then further altered by Muslims. Basically it's the same God, but the three groups have different beliefs as to what the truth is about God.

You see the same thing to a lesser degree among the denominations of those three religions.

No the truth is that mo saw that the bible was considered true so he copied part of it to connect to his own rubbish to give it some credence, of course he added the peadophile bits, because of his personal preferences i assume..

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:11 pm


allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.

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Post by stardesk on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:25 pm

Hi HF. That's what I said, the Koran is a copy of the Bible.

Moslems claim that Allah is the true god, therefore either Jehovah and Allah are the same god or we have two gods, which of course takes us into the realms of mythology.

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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:36 pm

stardesk wrote:Hi HF. That's what I said, the Koran is a copy of the Bible.

Moslems claim that Allah is the true god, therefore either Jehovah and Allah are the same god or we have two gods, which of course takes us into the realms of mythology.

we clearly don't have two gods..

we have allah who is one of 360 pagan indian gods... a moon god....

but we have the one true God, the God of the bible...

one thing is for sure allah is not the god of the bible....

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:31 pm

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:I think the simplest way to put it is that the Jews had a concept of God, which was adopted and altered by Christians and then further altered by Muslims. Basically it's the same God, but the three groups have different beliefs as to what the truth is about God.

You see the same thing to a lesser degree among the denominations of those three religions.

No the truth is that mo saw that the bible was considered true so he copied part of it to connect to his own rubbish to give it some credence, of course he added the peadophile bits, because of his personal preferences i assume..

lol the peado bit were already in the bible he just copied them too

You are basically saying that Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi is not the same Luke Skywalker as in The Empire Strikes Back even though both reference the same stuff from Star Wars.

You just don't accept that book 3 exists, it does you can not follow it but that doesn't change that clearly it is book three in the Abrahamist trilogy and follows on with many of the same characters.

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:35 pm

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:
stardesk wrote:Hi HF. That's what I said, the Koran is a copy of the Bible.

Moslems claim that Allah is the true god, therefore either Jehovah and Allah are the same god or we have two gods, which of course takes us into the realms of mythology.

we clearly don't have two gods..

we have allah who is one of 360 pagan indian gods... a moon god.... WTF are you high, You just made that up it has no basis in reality Hindu Polytheists have Fought Against Abrahamic Monotheism (including Islam) before the crusades occurred

but we have the one true God, the God of the bible...

one thing is for sure allah is not the god of the bible....
YES it is if the Christian Bible is written in Arabic

God and Allah is the same word just a different language you moron

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:04 am

They were originally the same god, the later writers just went down different paths. They are both the god of Abraham, Moses, Lot and co, so ultimately the same guy, the god of the Torah.

The writer's of the Koran and Buble just added their own novelties. They were also a lot more boring, less imaginative and less risky than the writers of the Torah...

Since all three books are bullshit this is rather a pointless exercise though.

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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:19 am

Sorry Vod but this is why religion fails for me; there is no such thing as an angry and vengeful God - of ANY religion!

Want to know my stance?

Let's "humanise" God for a moment: if he could do anything about religion, the bible, the Q'ran, the endless books on it...know why he'd do?

Shake his head in shame.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:19 am

Eilzel wrote:They were originally the same god, the later writers just went down different paths. They are both the god of Abraham, Moses, Lot and co, so ultimately the same guy, the god of the Torah.

The writer's of the Koran and Buble just added their own novelties. They were also a lot more boring, less imaginative and less risky than the writers of the Torah...

Since all three books are bullshit this is rather a pointless exercise though.

Its the most daftest argument going as lets face it the deity in these faiths is:

"is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:45 am

One of Dawkin's finest quotes :-)

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:54 am

Eilzel wrote:One of Dawkin's finest quotes :-)

Sums it up perfectly...Laughing

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:09 am

veya_victaous wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:

we clearly don't have two gods..

we have allah who is one of 360 pagan indian gods... a moon god.... WTF are you high, You just made that up it has no basis in reality Hindu Polytheists have Fought Against Abrahamic Monotheism (including Islam) before the crusades occurred



but we have the one true God, the God of the bible...

one thing is for sure allah is not the god of the bible....
YES it is if the Christian Bible is written in Arabic

God and Allah is the same word just a different language you moron


read about the topic there is plenty to go at...allah the moon god..

so allah says i have no son....

God of the bible says of Jesus "this is my son in whom I am well pleased"...

explain how those can be the same God...

Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)

verses from the koran, why would the same god want his chosen people or followers killed....

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allah is satan = fact

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Post by eddie on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:26 pm

eddie wrote:Sorry Vod but this is why religion fails for me; there is no such thing as an angry and vengeful God - of ANY religion!

Want to know my stance?

Let's "humanise" God for a moment: if he could do anything about religion, the bible, the Q'ran, the endless books on it...know why he'd do?

Shake his head in shame.

"I made these people and I gave them free will, yet they use that free will to let a book and a set of rules THAT I DIDNT WRITE, determine their every move; I am ashamed"

That's what he'd say.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:38 pm

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:allah is satan = fact

very true...

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:39 pm

allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:55 pm

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:allah's apostle (muhammad ) said ,

''The most awful name in allah's sight on the day of Resurrection , will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik-Al-Amlak (the King of Kings ).''

Sahih al-Bukhari Bk .73 Num:224

Now who does the bible say is the KING OF KINGS and will be returning/appearing on the Day of Resurrection ?.

What is his name if thou canst tell ? Prov 30.4

1 Timothy 6:14-15King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Revelations 17.14 14 These shall make war with the Lamb (Jesus), and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful

Revelation 19:16

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Why would allah say that the MOST AWFUL name on the Day of Resurrection be the man who calls himself the KING OF KINGS ?

Why is that awful to allah ?

Revelation 20:10

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

satan aka allah's future is in the lake of fire and brimstone , this is why he said the THE MOST AWFUL NAME is KING OF KINGS


allah knows EXACTLY what Jesus Christ , the Son of God King of Kings , will do to him on the Day of Resurrection . Amen.


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Re: moslem god and biblical god

Post by stardesk on Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:59 pm

I've broached this subject before but will do so again as this topic is relevant:

What kind of god would create the dinosaurs, then let them be eliminated by a huge meteorite. As he supposedly created everything, surely he had the power to stop such devastation?

What kind of god would create an unstable planet, with earthquakes and volcanoes killing millions of people?

Why did he, a supposedly loving father, refuse Cain's present and chuck him out. Cain's countenance may have been fallen, but even so, a loving father would still say 'thank's son.'

Why did he flood the Earth, to a depth/height of 5 miles, killing everything on the planet?

How could Noah have collected animals indigenous to various continents?

Why did he command the Israelites to kill men, women, and children, during their journey to the so-called promised land, which wasn't theirs in the first place.
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I could go on and on but let the above suffice. I'll just mention that I put some of those questions to a Witness. His reply made me laugh: 'It was Satan's doing.' In which case that makes Satan as powerful as god, and a god in his own right.

AMEN.

Footnote: The Koran is a copy of the Bible, with infusions of the thoughts of Mohammed and his followers. Read it for yourselves then you will see and understand.

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