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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:11 pm

An extraordinary new angle on Honest Jeremy Corbyn, the People’s Money Printer.
As recently as the year before last, Honest Jeremy was actively lobbying to help get the convicted terrorist bomber Jawad Botmeh elected as a Governor of London Metropolitan University.
Botmeh was one of the two terrorists who were convicted for attempting to blow up Balfour House, just a couple of miles north of where I live, an anti-Israel terror hit against the headquarters of a group of Israel charities and NGOs.
He was sentenced to twenty years.
Here is a list of the main evidence against Botmeh:

  • Botmeh and Alami admitted possesing about 5 lbs of an explosive, TATP, which had been made up into two bombs.
  • Alami admitted possessing 3 hand guns.
  • Alami was a chemical engineer who admitted possessing other explosive devices and relevant literature.
  • Botmeh was alleged to have procured the two cars in which the bombs were delivered.
  • On 25th April,Botmeh had bought a distinctive BMW car at Wimbledon car auction, using the false name “Jaffa” and a false address.
  • On 9th May three timers [of 6 in total] were bought and in due course three of the six timers were recovered from the lock-up in May 1995.
  • On 26th May 1994, an order was placed with chemical wholesalers in Birmingham for a substantial quantity of acetone, hydrogen peroxide, nitric acid and sodium chlorate. The first 3 were capable of producing TATP according to a formula published in a book which Alami had. Sodium chlorate could be mixed with sugar or charcoal to produce high explosive. The chemicals were collected on 2nd June, by a person signing the name George Davis, giving a Wolverhampton address, in a Ford Transit van which had been hired the previous day.
  • When the lock-up was searched in May 1995 there was found, in addition to the 2 TATP bombs, a quantity of sodium chlorate and a small quantity of nitric acid in a carton bearing the label of the Birmingham wholesalers.
  • On 13th June “George Davis”, giving the same Wolverhampton address, bought a Triumph Acclaim motor car at a Birmingham car auction. The description of the buyer could have fitted Botmeh. Later, with false plates, the Triumph delivered the Balfour House bomb.
  • On 15th June “George Davis” giving the same Wolverhampton, address bought an Audi at a car auction in Milton Keynes at which Botmeh was present in the BMW. Equipped with false plates, the Audi was used to deliver the Israeli Embassy bomb.
  • On 15th July an Audi car owned by the Alami family was seen in Kensington Palace Gardens. On 17th July Alami rented the lock-up under a false name and on 23rd July Botmeh visited the lock-up.
  • Prior to the bombings, both had been involved, over a period of time, in projects involving radio controlled model aircraft and in experiments with improvised explosives. Botmeh kept a detailed log of his model aircraft activities and Alami’s log included extensive notes on explosives generally.
  • After Alami’s arrest in January 1995, police found, at a flat in Montrose Court to which she had access, a gun and ammunition together with some chemicals and notes made by her on explosives.
  • Alami repeatedly lied about her whereabouts on the relevant dates in interview.
  • Both denied any involvement in the bombings but admitted having carried out experiments with TATP and the model aircraft; to develop and test techniques which could be used in the Occupied Territories.
  • While at Imperial College, Alami said she had started to collect information regarding improvised explosives and had unsuccessfully experimented with fertiliser and weedkiller in remote places accompanied by Botmeh. Her last field trial of home made explosives had been in March 1994.
  • Alami said that the explosives found in the lock-up had been given to her on 13th July 1994 by “Reeda” a Palestinian she had first met in 1992.  The first time he was mentioned by either of them was during the trial and no details were provided which could have established an identity.

LMU is notorious for its record of having student Islamist FOSIS officers who are found to have terrorist connections or themselves get convicted as terrorists….
The other thing about this recent campaigning is that it would disprove any PR line that Corbyn has become more politically mature and responsible since he was a young MP.


http://hurryupharry.org/2015/09/01/jeremy-corbyn-lobbied-for-a-convicted-terrorist-as-governor-for-lmu/

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:21 pm

Harry’s Place is a political blog that has earned itself a controversial reputation over the years. Posted on the blog’s masthead is the following quote by George Orwell: “Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don’t want to hear”.
Yet even a cursory examination of the blog’s history would leave any objective person in no doubt that the stock in trade of Harry’s Place is personal smear, defamatory attack and Islamophobia.
Among the long list of predominately left wing politicians and progressive voices who’ve come in for attack by Harry’s Place over recent months and years are:  
Jenny Tonge, former Liberal Democrat MP and now Baroness.
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/11/15/more-jenny-tonge/
Andy Slaughter, Labour MP for Hammersmith.
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/05/29/andy-slaughter-mp-and-sameh-habeeb/
Jeremy Corbyn, Labour MP for Islington North.
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/17/jeremy-corbyn%e2%80%99s-summer-adventure-in-lebanon/
Ken Livingstone, former Mayor of London.
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/10/18/ken-livingstone-has-left-the-labour-party/
John Pilger, journalist and filmmaker.
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/12/pilger%e2%80%a6again%e2%80%a6/
Mehdi Hassan, political editor of the New Statesman.
http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/24/medhi-hasan-exposed-part-i-%e2%80%93-atheists-and-disbelievers-are-%e2%80%9ccattle%e2%80%9d-and-%e2%80%9cof-no-intelligence%e2%80%9d/
Seumas Milne, associate editor and columnist with the Guardian
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/02/16/palestine-papers-seumas-milne-to-appear-at-pro-hamas-conference/
Ken Loach, filmmaker.
http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/03/it-never-ends/
Organisations that have come under attack by Harry’s Place include Amnesty International; Muslim Association of Britain; Human Rights Watch; University and College Union; Islamic Forum of Europe; Liberty; Interpal; Cage Prisoners; The Guardian; Viva Palestina; Islamophobia Watch, Spinwatch; Socialist Workers Party; Respect; Palestine Solidarity Campaign; and Stop the War Coalition.
What the above and most of the many others who’ve come in for attack by Harry’s Place have in common is their criticism of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians, along with their defence of the Muslim community.
Earlier this year a former regular contributor to Harry’s Place, Terry Fitzgerald, was tried and convicted of racially aggravated harassment against Ken Livingstone’s former political adviser, Lee Jasper.
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9487
In 2008 The Spectator magazine was the subject of a legal action over an article that appeared in its pages claiming that Islam Expo, a biennial Islamic exhibition, was a supporter of clerical fascism, genocide and racism. The basis of the Spectator magazine article was a piece that originally appeared on Harry’s Place.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2010/2011.html
The website serves as a platform for individuals with strong pro-Israel views. Following judge Richard Goldstone’s report on the war crimes committed during Israel‘s 2008-2009 assault on Gaza, which resulted in the deaths of 1400 Palestinians, including 400 children, HP blogger Gene Zitver republished an article by Moshe Halbertal from The New Republic that tried to discredit the report.  In the preface Zitver added:
Think about that. How many of the world’s armies– especially those engaged in all-too-frequent combat– are concerned enough about ethics to develop such a code, and to include philosophers in the process?
Now of course Israel’s enemies will claim it is all just for show– a PR stunt. Such people lack the most fundamental understanding of Israeli society. The difficult matter of balancing Israel’s security with the objective of minimizing harm to non-combatants is one that most Israelis take very seriously.
Zitver here is defending the actions is of the Israeli Defense Forces during Operation Cast Lead, the same army that according to Goldstone, targeted the “people of Gaza as a whole” in a war that was designed to “humiliate and terrorize a civilian population”.
It should be noted that Richard Goldstone controversially later resiled from some of the report’s initial conclusions. However fellow members of the special UN fact finding mission to Gaza in the wake of Operation Cast Lead issued an open letter criticising the South African judge and questioning his motives for doing so.    
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/14/goldstone-report-statement-un-gaza
Harry’s Place also served as a catalyst for the launch of CiF Watch, a website allegedly dedicated ‘to monitoring and exposing antisemitism on the Guardian newspaper’s ‘Comment is Free’ blog’. However, as with Harry’s Place, its main task appears to be to be the smearing of anti-Zionists and voices critical of Israel.
Another of HP’s main contributors is David Toube, who used to post articles under the name David T.
Toube was threatened with legal action by George Galloway and Kevin Ovenden over repeated articles traducing the character and reputation of both as trustees of Viva Palestina, a charitable organisation which has succeeded since its formation in 2009 in taking 5 humanitarian convoys to Gaza, comprised of tens of thousands of pounds worth of children’s toys, food, medicines and other essential humanitarian supplies. In particular, Toube has repeatedly sought to paint the former Respect MP, George Galloway, as ‘funding terrorism’. It is an accusation with absolutely no basis in fact and is designed to prevent and obstruct the provision of desperately needed humanitarian aid to the besieged people of Gaza.
Useful background information on David Toube and his blogging activities can be found here:  http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2007/10/outing-of-david-t.html
Since threatened with legal action, David Toube posts articles on Harry’s Place under the pseudonym ‘Habibi’. The blog itself also took the step of relocating its registration from the UK to the US, where the laws governing libel and defamation are far less vigorous.
Other regular contributors are Edmund Standing, Michael Ezra, and more recently Sarah AB (Annes Brown).
Here for example is Standing taking Andy Newman to task for daring to criticize HP for hosting convicted racist thug Terry Fitz, while attempting to blame the victim of racism, Lee Jasper:  http://hurryupharry.org/2011/04/04/andy-newman-lee-jasper-and-the-disgrace-of-socialist-unity/
Sarah is a particularly interesting case. Unlike either Standing or Ezra – both out and out foaming at the mouth, rancid reactionaries – Sarah projects herself as the voice of reason, a lone voice of sanity in a sewer of lunacy you might say. However, scratch the surface of Sarah’s projected reason and sanity and you find moral turpitude of a kind which suggests that for Sarah Arabs and Muslims lie somewhere between retrograde and chitlen. This is confirmed by her ability in one paragraph to both acknowledge the injustice of the settlements while proudly describing in an HP article she wrote her participation in a counter-demonstration against pro-Palestinian activists engaged in protesting outside Ahava in Covent Garden, a beauty products store selling goods derived from those same settlements in occupied Palestine.
If this was really just about settlement goods, I wouldn’t have gone to London to counter-demonstrate. I’m perfectly receptive to stories such asthis, and I realize that some Israelis also choose to boycott such products, and that many are concerned at Israel’s moves to outlaw such boycotts. Neither in fact am I strongly opposed to such products being labelledmore clearly .  But although the Ahava campaign might seem limited and acceptable, the overall BDS campaign is intent on targeting every kind of contact with Israel – cultural, sporting, academic.
Harry’s Place clearly views its place in the blogsphere with regard to Muslims, the antiwar movement, and those who support Palestinian human rights much as Senator Joe McCarthy viewed his in the US throughout the fifties when it came to communism and Communists.
No respecter of reputation, probity or the truth, its contributors eagerly slander anyone whose political views it disagrees with, using pseudonyms as both a sword and a shield to protect them from the legal consequences that would otherwise result.
It is a sewer of racism and reaction that is committed to providing unfailing support to a state, Israel, which is engaged in apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine, while at home smearing and libelling progressives, antiwar and pro Palestinian voices, not forgetting those Muslims who dare assert their right to political engagement.

http://socialistunity.com/who-and-what-is-harrys-place/

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn lobbied for a convicted terrorist as Governor for LMU

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:22 pm

lol who cares what place Harrys place is
What matters is if this letter is true and if he did campaign?
Poor deflection from sassy yet again

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:23 pm

Poor smearing from Harry's Place of which nobody is going to take the slightest notice.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:26 pm

Hilarious is it true or not.
I could not give a stuff about the source ie the website but whether this is true or not.
So again did he campaign?

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:33 pm

Botmeh suspension lifted by London Met
A university research manager suspended over his prior conviction for the bombing of the Israeli Embassy has been told he can return to work.

Jawad Botmeh, research manager at London Metropolitan University’s Working Lives Research Institute - where he has worked since 2008 - was suspended last month after being elected as staff representative on the university’s board of governors.
The university has now lifted Mr Botmeh’s suspension – meaning he can also take up his place on the board - although it said “other aspects of investigation continue”.
In 1996, the Palestinian was found guilty of conspiracy to cause explosions in connection with two car bombings, one outside the Israeli Embassy in London. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison but has always maintained his innocence. In 2001, Amnesty International said it was concerned that Mr Botmeh had been “denied [his] right to a fair trial”.
London Met also suspended Max Watson, a research administrator at the WLRI and Unison branch chair, and Steve Jefferys, director of the WLRI, for their parts in Mr Botmeh’s original appointment. But the university has now lifted their suspensions as well, although it said that “investigations are still proceeding”.
Supporters of the men have highlighted the fact Mr Watson and the Unison branch, of which Mr Botmeh is also a member, have been vocal opponents of the university’s outsourcing plans.
Professor Jefferys had written to the university governors insisting that the human resources department was informed of Mr Botmeh’s conviction when he applied for, and was given, a longer-term appointment in 2010.
London Met said last week that its HR director, Lyn Link, is to leave the university after Easter for a “career break”. It said her departure after 24 years at London Met was “unconnected” with the current controversy.
Malcolm Gillies, London Met vice-chancellor, says in a message to staff about the investigation into Mr Botmeh: “I am pleased to say that one part of that investigation is now concluded.
“It was into the trust and confidence that the university, as employer, could have in Jawad Botmeh, as a research manager, and I have ruled that the university can have that trust and confidence. Please welcome him as he returns to work today.”
But Professor Gillies added: “Other aspects of investigation continue.”
The vice-chancellor said in a separate statement on Mr Botmeh’s membership of the board of governors: “Jawad Botmeh is a governor of London Metropolitan University, and entitled to attend all relevant meetings of the board or its committees.”
The next board meeting is on 14 March.

https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/botmeh-suspension-lifted-by-london-met/2002583.article

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:35 pm

So it is true he did campaign for a former convicted terrorist to be on a university Board.
Thanks more evidence he is scum sassy and I hope he wins the labour leadership because it will ensure the death of Labour

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:43 pm

It's really nice when fools can't see what's coming to them.  Most Conservatives have got the picture now, which is why your nastly little friend is smearing away.  You don't have the imagination and it will come as a real shock.

http://maxwatsonunison.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/statement-in-support-of-jawad-botmeh.html

http://www.londonmetunison.org.uk/2013/02/model-motion-for-union-branches-to-defend-jawad-and-max/

The latest attack on Jeremy Corbyn is only half the story
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The Jewish Chronicle describes Corbyn as having 'repeatedly raised the case in Parliament as part of the long-running campaign to overturn their convictions as a miscarriage of justice'
This morning, The Jewish Chronicle published a story with the headline ‘Jeremy Corbyn campaigned for Israeli embassy car bombing pair’, stating that the Labour leadership candidate had been “a leading activist in the campaign for the release of two people who were jailed for their involvement in the bombing of a Jewish charity building and the Israeli embassy in London.”
The two people in question, Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami, were found guilty in 1996 of conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, following car bomb attacks two years previously outside the Israeli Embassy and Balfour House in London which injured 19. Both maintained their innocence throughout and, though losing appeals, were subsequently released early on parole.
The paper describes Corbyn as having “repeatedly raised the case in Parliament as part of the long-running campaign to overturn their convictions as a miscarriage of justice”, as well as having “signed five early day motions in support of their case between 2002 and 2006”, and supported Botmeh in a subsequent employment dispute at London Metropolitan University.
The article was written by the paper’s staff journalist Marcus Dysch, his ninth piece on Corbyn in the last two weeks. Dysch’s approach is sometimes too much even for editor Stephen Pollard, such as the reporter’s recent description of Deir Yassin as merely an “alleged” massacre.
At a similar time to Dysch’s report going live, an item on the same topic appeared on the pro-Israel blog Harry’s Place (which has been smearing Corbyn for years). The story itself, however, appears to originate with a post published on Sunday by a blog called ‘Denry’, whose author now prefers anonymity, but who previously blogged under the name of Sam Green.
This would appear to be the same Sam Green who in 2014 wrote for right-wing magazine [url=http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/writers/?showid=Sam Green]Standpoint[/url] about a complaint he had made to the BBC, regarding coverage he deemed unfair to Israel. Green also shared details of the case with BBC Watch, an affiliate of Israel advocacy group CAMERA.
Corbyn’s support for Botmeh and Alami is a matter of record. But it comes as no surprise that The Jewish Chronicle, and the others, have neglected to mention some rather key aspects of the case – including the fact that Amnesty International were among those who questioned the convictions.
In their 1997 annual report, Amnesty International stated that “the pre-trial investigation gave rise to concerns that the charges may have been politically motivated.” In 2001, Amnesty repeated its concerns that the pair had been “denied their right to a fair trial”, and said “crucial questions” remained “unanswered”, including “the role of the various intelligence services, the actions of the Israeli embassy including in the investigation, and the nature of the initial police investigation.”
In 2000, The Guardian reported how “the avowed innocence of Samar Alami and Jawad Botmeh...have become a cause”, while a year later, the paper described the case as “a cause célèbre among civil rights groups.” The paper noted how former cabinet minister Lord Gilmour was one of Alami’s sureties, and that in addition to Corbyn, support also came from MPs Harry Cohen and Tony Benn – “as well as Jewish and Arab activists.”
Others who supported the pair over the years included Paul Foot, and Gareth Peirce who, a 2004 interview noted, had “campaigned on behalf of Samar Alami and Jawad Botmeh, whom she believes were wrongly convicted.” In 1999, Peirce addressed a 200-strong public meeting at the House of Commons in support of the pair. Even the Daily Express described the pair has having “gained far-reaching support” from various groups.
From the very beginning, as Robert Fisk wrote in 1998, the trial was widely seen as “a very puzzling affair.” Two years ago, a piece in the London Review of Books on the employment dispute referred to by The Jewish Chronicle, noted how “Botmeh and Alami’s convictions have widely been branded as unsafe.”
Even at Westminster, Corbyn was hardly alone when it came to concern about the pair’s case. The five EDMs that he signed accumulatively attracted the support of a further 71 MPs (including Labour, Liberal Democrat, Plaid Cymru, and even a Conservative). The most popular of those EDMs secured 43 names alone.

In addition, the primary sponsor of all five was not Corbyn, but former Labour MP John Austin (Corbyn, along with others, was a co-sponsor of the most recent). You can find the relevant EDMs online in chronological order here, here, here, here, and here.
Almost a month ago now, I wrote how the Corbyn campaign had already become a parody of itself. That does not appear to have dissuaded the die-hard mud-slingers – but encouragingly, it has also failed to make much of an impact in support for his leadership bid.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/20767-the-latest-attack-on-jeremy-corbyn-is-only-half-the-story

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:45 pm

You can spin all your biased articles all you like Sassy.
There is no denying his links to terrorists which does beg the questions over his motives which everyone has a right to ask
Its not smearing but concern people have about his intentions and where politicians are concerned rightfully so as they are all liars

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Post by sassy on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:46 pm

Oh Lor, links to terrorists, you'd better stop Tony Blair from talking to Hamas then.  What a dipstick.

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:48 pm

He is a go between in a peace initiative
That does not mean he is friends with them and anyway he is a war criminal as well.
Do you understand the difference where someone is on friendly terms with extremists sassy?

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Post by feelthelove on Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:30 pm

If the opposition are joining Labour to vote Jeremy in I think there might be a message in there somewhere................ but hey, those are so blind they cannot see

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:31 pm

Indeed FTL, he is clearly seen as likely to destroy Labour but others do not see that.
I am not concerned really as its all hype anyway.

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Post by feelthelove on Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:36 pm

Cuchulain wrote:Indeed FTL, he is clearly seen as likely to destroy Labour but others do not see that.
I am not concerned really as its all hype anyway.

Enough rope we shall see..........

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:04 pm

Cuchulain wrote:lol who cares what place Harrys place is
What matters is if this letter is true and if he did campaign?
Poor deflection from sassy yet again


Says the idiot who completely dismissed a widely reported fact just because I posted it in a daily mail link...

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:10 am

So you have to be careful who you frequent with otherwise you support them?

Right outside No. 10



Even IRA terrorists



You never know Didge you may even have been sitting near Bin Laden in the Clock end at Highbury with the crowd singing Osama woah woah. You should be carefull.


Osama bin Laden's Highbury days

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/3016918/Osama-bin-Ladens-Highbury-days.html



You may even have been sitting near him in that night game in 1995 in the match against Spurs that never happened. Both games that season were played in the afternoon so I haven't got a clue who you are supposed to have kicked the shit out of to get done for GBH.

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Post by Guest on Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:53 am

Why do people think a picture makes a person friends with them , where in the case of this left wing clown he advocates in the defense of extremists.
Then the scottish left wing extremists makes this comparable with a picture of David Cameron
Even then who says I approve of others meeting such people?
Never did, which shows how desperate you are to defend an extremist here, mainly because you also back his appalling views I guess

Ha ha ha

Then we have the worst to last, Bin laden allowed in this country, with a claim to being an Arsenal supporter.
Seriously PMSL at your desperation as we cannot stop people supporting teams of which it is alledged.
Yep that is about the limited intelligence of the extremist left

As to the game, where did I say night kick off?
Never did. Sassy kept asking, which is clear then you were in contact with her at the time, where she claimed to know and you were feeding her information in the attempt to try poorly to catch me out. I mean how pathetic is that you were both texting each other, proving how you are that sadly obsessed?
Take your time on that one and funny how you try to drag up more shit on here mainly necause you are a pathetic little shit stirrer but I expect nothing less from you Irn when you are meant to be a mod and yet further trying badly inflame stuff on here. I mean that is unrelated to the thread, where that was talked about ages ago and yet at any attempt you want to cause trouble on Bens forum, so why is that? Whether you believe me or not has no consquences but it poroves like I keep stating you have no intent to debate.


So please explain to the forum why you are deliberately trying to stir up trouble with unrelated topics?
I mean you are a moderator apparantly and yet personal threads are against the rules and yet you have deliberately steered this thread to make it personally about me?
So why are you blatantly ignoring Ben's rules?

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:23 am

No Didge. I'm just trying to demonstrate to you that just being in the same room or on the same stage or at the same venue or even in the same postcode does not make someone a friend of an extremist and the two examples I gave you of Abbas and Martin McGuinness are evidence of this.
The one about you was a further example that you may even have been very near to Bin Laden in the clock end at Highbury and if anyone had a camera and took a shot of it then it could have been said that you were a friend of his. Unlikely I know but possible.

I never said you said night kick off. You said evening kick off but you realised later that you had screwed up and you went back and removed evening from your post because there never was an evening kick off against Spurs in 1995.
Tell you what Didge. You stop calling me a liar and I'll stop proving you are one.
And don't insult the membership here by suggesting I need to explain anything to them. They can read for themselves and make their own judgements.

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And your racially aggrivated and xenephobic language in your post is just more of the same. It seeps out of you when you are angry.



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Irn Bru wrote:No Didge. I'm just trying to demonstrate to you that just being in the same room or on the same stage or at the same venue or even in the same postcode does not make someone a friend of an extremist and the two examples I gave you of Abbas and Martin McGuinness are evidence of this.
The one about you was a further example that you may even have been very near to Bin Laden in the clock end at Highbury and if anyone had a camera and took a shot of it then it could have been said that you were a friend of his. Unlikely I know but possible.

I never said you said night kick off. You said evening kick off  but you realised later that you had screwed up and you went back and removed evening from your post because there never was an evening kick off against Spurs in 1995.
Tell you what Didge. You stop calling me a liar and I'll stop proving you are one.
And don't insult the membership here by suggesting I need to explain anything to them. They can read for themselves and make their own judgements.

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And your racially aggrivated and xenephobic  language in your post is just more of the same. It seeps out of you when you are angry.




There is no doubt to his support of scum when he has activelly camapigned to release scum and if other s have as well makes them scum too, so do not pull that pathetic card. You excuse that and defend. You also excuse how many British Jews living here are concerned but that does not bother you, where you try to whitewash. They have concerns which they have a right to question why in so many cases he is supporting extremists. Its not about being pictured with but his activities.

Never said evening kickoff either. So you are further proving how badly you are lying in your accusations and even worse you was not involved in them. So how on earth would you know what was said? You don't and are just making up shit as per usual to stir. The event was 20 years ago and you think by trying to claim a point from the story which you have no evidence of anyway, is going to make the story a lie? That is absurd, as I have caught you out collecting posts on to a datebase you are that sad and is a clear sign of obsession, whcih I should take as a compliment as this is your only means it seems to get one up on debates you constantly lose on. You have to try and catch out something I have said, which is utterly lame, where even here you have no case and just deliberately started becuase yet again you are losing a debate. This is your only means to debate by attempting deligitimzing people, you cannot debate the points as clearly seen. That is your whole intent to use this thread to start up a confrontation all over something you have no idea about and why do you do so? Because you are obsessed and it is clearly something which proves you are mentally unbalanced. All of which is irrelevant and you have not proved anything as all you have done is fasley accused and badly so. So now you are making things up for your error. There is nothing racist or xenophobic either in my post, which shows you have no comprehension of these words and their meaning and yet again a twat idiot of a terrorist supporter. So you are using poor excuses for why you are intent as a moderator to create proplems and break the rules.

So I ask again and I am not insulting Ben, why are you insulting him but breaking the rules and sticking two fingers up to his rules? That is you by deliberately ignoring the rules. Which you ended up looking an idiot over and have turned a perfectly interesting thread into a personal slagging thread. That is against the rules making personal threads, I mean seriously you are that pathetic and you did so because of your hero worship of a scumbag terrorist supporting Politician. There is nothing more pathetic about your character. You clearly have no intent to follow the rules and you are a moderator. Its not about debating for you but some chilidish vendetta you have.

You just got exposed that you are not fit for purpose to moderate and that everytime you do this now and deliberately turn a thread personal I am going to pull you up and put in a offical complaint.

Now you have been warned you lying, rule breaker, not fit to moderate 5 years olds, terrorist supporting twat.

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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:59 am

sassy wrote:It's really nice when fools can't see what's coming to them.  Most Conservatives have got the picture now, which is why your nastly little friend is smearing away.  You don't have the imagination and it will come as a real shock.

http://maxwatsonunison.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/statement-in-support-of-jawad-botmeh.html

http://www.londonmetunison.org.uk/2013/02/model-motion-for-union-branches-to-defend-jawad-and-max/

The latest attack on Jeremy Corbyn is only half the story
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The Jewish Chronicle describes Corbyn as having 'repeatedly raised the case in Parliament as part of the long-running campaign to overturn their convictions as a miscarriage of justice'
This morning, The Jewish Chronicle published a story with the headline ‘Jeremy Corbyn campaigned for Israeli embassy car bombing pair’, stating that the Labour leadership candidate had been “a leading activist in the campaign for the release of two people who were jailed for their involvement in the bombing of a Jewish charity building and the Israeli embassy in London.”
The two people in question, Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami, were found guilty in 1996 of conspiracy to cause explosions in the UK, following car bomb attacks two years previously outside the Israeli Embassy and Balfour House in London which injured 19. Both maintained their innocence throughout and, though losing appeals, were subsequently released early on parole.
The paper describes Corbyn as having “repeatedly raised the case in Parliament as part of the long-running campaign to overturn their convictions as a miscarriage of justice”, as well as having “signed five early day motions in support of their case between 2002 and 2006”, and supported Botmeh in a subsequent employment dispute at London Metropolitan University.
The article was written by the paper’s staff journalist Marcus Dysch, his ninth piece on Corbyn in the last two weeks. Dysch’s approach is sometimes too much even for editor Stephen Pollard, such as the reporter’s recent description of Deir Yassin as merely an “alleged” massacre.
At a similar time to Dysch’s report going live, an item on the same topic appeared on the pro-Israel blog Harry’s Place (which has been smearing Corbyn for years). The story itself, however, appears to originate with a post published on Sunday by a blog called ‘Denry’, whose author now prefers anonymity, but who previously blogged under the name of Sam Green.
This would appear to be the same Sam Green who in 2014 wrote for right-wing magazine [url=http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/writers/?showid=Sam Green]Standpoint[/url] about a complaint he had made to the BBC, regarding coverage he deemed unfair to Israel. Green also shared details of the case with BBC Watch, an affiliate of Israel advocacy group CAMERA.
Corbyn’s support for Botmeh and Alami is a matter of record. But it comes as no surprise that The Jewish Chronicle, and the others, have neglected to mention some rather key aspects of the case – including the fact that Amnesty International were among those who questioned the convictions.
In their 1997 annual report, Amnesty International stated that “the pre-trial investigation gave rise to concerns that the charges may have been politically motivated.” In 2001, Amnesty repeated its concerns that the pair had been “denied their right to a fair trial”, and said “crucial questions” remained “unanswered”, including “the role of the various intelligence services, the actions of the Israeli embassy including in the investigation, and the nature of the initial police investigation.”
In 2000, The Guardian reported how “the avowed innocence of Samar Alami and Jawad Botmeh...have become a cause”, while a year later, the paper described the case as “a cause célèbre among civil rights groups.” The paper noted how former cabinet minister Lord Gilmour was one of Alami’s sureties, and that in addition to Corbyn, support also came from MPs Harry Cohen and Tony Benn – “as well as Jewish and Arab activists.”
Others who supported the pair over the years included Paul Foot, and Gareth Peirce who, a 2004 interview noted, had “campaigned on behalf of Samar Alami and Jawad Botmeh, whom she believes were wrongly convicted.” In 1999, Peirce addressed a 200-strong public meeting at the House of Commons in support of the pair. Even the Daily Express described the pair has having “gained far-reaching support” from various groups.
From the very beginning, as Robert Fisk wrote in 1998, the trial was widely seen as “a very puzzling affair.” Two years ago, a piece in the London Review of Books on the employment dispute referred to by The Jewish Chronicle, noted how “Botmeh and Alami’s convictions have widely been branded as unsafe.”
Even at Westminster, Corbyn was hardly alone when it came to concern about the pair’s case. The five EDMs that he signed accumulatively attracted the support of a further 71 MPs (including Labour, Liberal Democrat, Plaid Cymru, and even a Conservative). The most popular of those EDMs secured 43 names alone.

In addition, the primary sponsor of all five was not Corbyn, but former Labour MP John Austin (Corbyn, along with others, was a co-sponsor of the most recent). You can find the relevant EDMs online in chronological order here, here, here, here, and here.
Almost a month ago now, I wrote how the Corbyn campaign had already become a parody of itself. That does not appear to have dissuaded the die-hard mud-slingers – but encouragingly, it has also failed to make much of an impact in support for his leadership bid.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/20767-the-latest-attack-on-jeremy-corbyn-is-only-half-the-story

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Was Max Watson suspended by the management of the Working Lives Research Institute?  I am assuming that was the case and that management seemed to have only just discovered that a convicted terrorist has been employed there for the last five years.

and this,,,

Corbyn’s support for Botmeh and Alami is a matter of record. But it comes as no surprise that The Jewish Chronicle, and the others, have neglected to mention some rather key aspects of the case – including the fact that Amnesty International were among those who questioned the convictions.
In their 1997 annual report, Amnesty International stated that “the pre-trial investigation gave rise to concerns that the charges may have been politically motivated.” In 2001, Amnesty repeated its concerns that the pair had been “denied their right to a fair trial”, and said “crucial questions” remained “unanswered”, including “the role of the various intelligence services, the actions of the Israeli embassy including in the investigation, and the nature of the initial police investigation.


all seems a bit vague to me.

how were they denied their right to a fair trial?
which 'crucial questions' remain unanswered?
how was the initial police investigation wrong?

would all this not have been dealt with by their defence lawyers at the time?  Found guilty at court and still found guilty on appeal.

suspension lifted but with investigations still ongoing.

i see some support for both max and jawad 'because they are helpful and support students'.  well, all very nice but as things stand a convicted terrorist was still employed there.  I think that's the issue.

I firmly believe jeremy corbyn, despite being very nice, would be a disaster for labour and britain, which i think is why he has so much 'outside' support right now.

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Post by sassy on Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:12 pm

Hi Geli, and they knew all about him when they employed him and he was re-instated. 

And JC has ignited people all over the country because finally someone is standing up to be counted.  The people that needed to be won over are the people that couldn't be bother to vote, huge numbers that could totally turn around the votes, and they are the ones flocking to him, in their thousands.

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sassy wrote:Hi Geli, and they knew all about him when they employed him and he was re-instated. 

And JC has ignited people all over the country because finally someone is standing up to be counted.  The people that needed to be won over are the people that couldn't be bother to vote, huge numbers that could totally turn around the votes, and they are the ones flocking to him, in their thousands.

Hang on,,,,

are you saying that 5 years ago when max watson (and possibly others) made the decision to employ jawad botmeh, that not only was max watson and the rest of the team aware of his conviction but so were the management?

and if the management were aware of the situation 5 years ago, why did they suspend watson after so long?

I don't get it scratch

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gelico again wrote:
sassy wrote:Hi Geli, and they knew all about him when they employed him and he was re-instated. 

And JC has ignited people all over the country because finally someone is standing up to be counted.  The people that needed to be won over are the people that couldn't be bother to vote, huge numbers that could totally turn around the votes, and they are the ones flocking to him, in their thousands.

Hang on,,,,

are you saying that 5 years ago when max watson (and possibly others) made the decision to employ jawad botmeh, that not only was max watson and the rest of the team aware of his conviction but so were the management?

and if the management were aware of the situation 5 years ago, why did they suspend watson after so long?

I don't get it scratch

They all knew and backed him.  And Max Watson's suspension was to do with union activity.


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sassy wrote:
gelico again wrote:

Hang on,,,,

are you saying that 5 years ago when max watson (and possibly others) made the decision to employ jawad botmeh, that not only was max watson and the rest of the team aware of his conviction but so were the management?

and if the management were aware of the situation 5 years ago, why did they suspend watson after so long?

I don't get it scratch

They all knew and backed him.

so did they make a statement to justify their sudden suspension of max watson? I know it has been lifted but they still have various ongoing investigations it seems

why?

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gelico again wrote:
sassy wrote:

They all knew and backed him.

so did they make a statement to justify their sudden suspension of max watson?  I know it has been lifted but they still have various ongoing investigations it seems

why?

Added to my previous post Geli, it was to do with union activity.

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sassy wrote:
gelico again wrote:

so did they make a statement to justify their sudden suspension of max watson?  I know it has been lifted but they still have various ongoing investigations it seems

why?

Added to my previous post Geli, it was to do with union activity.

but it still doesn't alter the fact that a convicted terrorist who was found guilty of planning to blow up a whole load of people is being backed by a labour leader contender.

There were no facts given on this alleged unfair trial. In fact still found guilty on appeal.

JC may well be reaching out to thousands but they more moderate labour supporters will be in despair and will probably defect to a different party. The majority of labour supporters aren't union activists nor supporters of convicted terrorists but just ordinary people who want to feel as though they are being represented.

I feel that he will cause labour to lose more votes than they gain with him in charge.

his answer to austerity is to just borrow a whole ton of more money,,,,,

he wants a maximum wage implemented. How on earth would that ever work?

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Post by sassy on Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:39 pm

I think you will find you are very wrong Geli, but time will tell.

BTW, what he is talking about is exactly what has been done in Iceland, and they now have solid growth.  Top economists back him as well. 

Got to go.

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