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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:36 am

I thought this was interesting until I read the end and knew it was some apologist idiots who offer no evidence


Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion. Israeli intelligence working hand in glove with the US, Turkey and NATO is directly supportive of the crusade directed against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS), which ultimately seeks to destroy both Syria and Iraq as nation states.


Crusade?


Destroy Iraq and Syria by Nato

WTF

Move along everyone this is a load of balderdash

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Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:I thought this was interesting until I read the end and knew it was some apologist idiots who offer no evidence


Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion. Israeli intelligence working hand in glove with the US, Turkey and NATO is directly supportive of the crusade directed against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS), which ultimately seeks to destroy both Syria and Iraq as nation states.


Crusade?


Destroy Iraq and Syria by Nato

WTF

Move along everyone this is a load of balderdash

Lol! The classic "nothing to see here, move along" tactic, hoping nobody will read the evidence.

Funny how this plan is being replicated in reality.


Really is that why Israel has withdrawn from the Sinai, Gaza etc?
The reality is showing you are taking in by bullshit it seems and you do not question when someone using a Christian religious terminology to claim Nato is out to destroy Syria and Iraq?
Its mainly apoplogist Muslims who use the terminology Crusade

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:34 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Really is that why Israel has withdrawn from the Sinai, Gaza etc?
The reality is showing you are taking in by bullshit it seems and you do not question when someone using a Christian religious terminology to claim Nato is out to destroy Syria and Iraq?
Its mainly apoplogist Muslims who use the terminology Crusade

So you're now claiming the Yinon plan is a Muslim conspriracy or written by a Muslim. HA HA!

And if you actually read the plan, you would know why Israel withdrew (but still in full control of) Gaza.


Still in control of Gaza ha ha ha ha ha

Really, they govern the place now do they and enforce the laws there? What an gullible idiot you are.

Not only that Israel could have easily implemented this plan in the numerous conflicts it has had, which you failed to answer why they have not. You are just another gullible Muslims who does not look at something with any reasoned balanced but a bias of hate against Israel

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:37 pm

A 2005 article in The Jewish Tribune criticized the Centre for Research on Globalisation's website as "rife with anti-Jewish conspiracy theory and Holocaust denial." B'nai Brith Canada had complained that there were comments on a forum that questioned how many Jews died in the Holocaust. Website editor Michel Chossudovsky responded that there was a disclaimer that the website was not to be held responsible for the views expressed in the forum, and he had the comment removed. He also said that he was of Jewish heritage and would be one of the last people to condone antisemitic views. The same article also reported that B'nai B'rith Canada wrote a letter to the University of Ottawa asking for the university "to conduct its own investigation of this propagandist site."

In a 2006 Western Standard article by Terry O'Neill, Chossudovsky was included among "Canada's nuttiest professors", "whose absurdity stands head and shoulders above their colleagues" and who were "peddling half-baked or discredited theories or plain old bigotry" Chussodovsky was said to hold that the U.S. had fore-knowledge of the September 11 attacks and the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami; that Washington had weapons that could influence climate change; and that the large banking institutions are the cause of the collapse of smaller economies, characterised by O'Neill as " more like wild-eyed conspiracy theories than serious political discourse"

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:38 pm

The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, also known as the Yinon Plan, is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.
When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria, not to mention the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project. 
“Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates.
Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one Shiite and the other Sunni.
The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.
“Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states. The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must

  1. become an imperial regional power, and
  2. must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.

Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.
Viewed in this context, the war on Syria is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion. Israeli intelligence working hand in glove with the US, Turkey and NATO is directly supportive of the Al Qaeda terrorist mercenaries inside Syria.
The Zionist Project also requires the destabilization of Egypt, the creation of factional divisions within Egypt as instrumented by the “Arab Spring” leading to the formation of a sectarian based State dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Similarly, although tweaked, the Yinon Plan is in motion and coming to life under the “Clean Break”. This is a policy document written in 1996 by Richard Perle and the Study Group on “A New Israeli Strategy Towards 2000″ for Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel at the time.
Like many in the neoconservative movement, Perle had long been an advocate of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Perle led an effort known as the Project for the New American Century with close neoconservative allies Wolfowitz, Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, and John Bolton. The Project culminated in a letter sent to US President Bill Clinton calling for the military overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime.
Prior to and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Perle held several exclusive meetings in his home where he discussed issues regarding American foreign policy on Iraq. In an effort to help fund their goals, Ahmed Chalabi an Iraqi-born businessman and founder of the Iraqi National Congress, helped Perle secure millions of dollars from the U.S. government in 1990. Chalabi was one of the key figures driving the war in Iraq and helped transmit important “information” to U.S congress and the public that would successfully help sell the war effort.
One might remember that it was PNAC that also published the now infamous document “Rebuilding Americas Defenses” in which the following statement was made:
Further, the process of transformation [of the military], even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor”.
Finally, as mentioned above, the Armed Forces Journal published an article in 2006 entitled: “Blood Borders”.
What follows are maps based upon the description in the article. One is the Middle East as it currently exists, and the other is the Middle East according to the suggestions in the article:

Blood borders: before and after.
You will note how congruent these divisions are with both the Yinon Plan and “Clean Break”.
You might also note that the advance of ISIS in Iraq, thus far, is congruent with all three documents. They are not engaging the Kurds and have stopped North of Baghdad, thus effectively dividing Iraq into three states as pictured on the map: Free Kurdistan, Sunni Iraq, and the Arab Shia State.
Only time will tell whether ISIS attempts to push into Baghdad, or whether the city, itself, is divided along sectarian lines. As you can see in the image, Baghdad is right on the border of “Sunni Iraq” and the “Arab Shia” State.
Here is a map of recent movements of the ISIS insurgency:

Recent ISIS advances. source

You will notice, by comparing them to the map above that they have control over the area depicted as “Sunni Iraq”. With the exception of Kirkuk, you will notice that the territory that they control aligns roughly with the borders of the proposed “Sunni Iraq” in the Blood Borders image above.
The following image is an overlay of the map of ISIS controlled territory over the map of the newly proposed borders of the Middle East to make it easier to see the congruity between ISIS movements and the Yinon plan:

Recent advances of ISIS, overlaid with borders proposed by Yinon plan.
While there are various conceptions of the borders of “Greater Israel” (Eretz Israel HaShlema), here is an overlay of the image of “Greater Israel” (above) on the map of the newly proposed borders of the Middle East to give a sense of the area of balkanized Arab states that Israel would have in its sphere of influence if the Yinon Plan is successfully implemented:

“Greater Israel” overlaid over the proposed borders.
Either the Yinon Plan is actually being implemented, using the sectarian animosity within the Muslim community as the vector or it is phenomenally coincidental that from Sudan, to Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Iraq the essential tenets of the Yinon Plan are being implemented.
It would certainly explain many of incongruities that we see in US foreign policy, especially with regard to our decision to arm and fund radical Islamic groups in Syria.

http://leaksource.info/2015/01/17/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-iraq-and-isis-the-connection/


Taken along with the Ya'alon Strategy and it all makes sense


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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:38 pm

And this is the person Zack backs who wrote this article ha ha ha ha ha

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:40 pm

It makes no sense Sassy as again Israel could have carried out this plan easily on a number of occasions. This is why you conspiracy idiots are that clueless. Not only that Israel has withdrawn from areas it once controlled. So I will ask again in each of the conflicts with Syria, Jordan and Egypt, why did they carry out these plans?

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Re: The Yinon Plan for a Greater Israel

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:01 pm

Here you go didge, you can buy the book and read it for yourself:

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/2cm9it/the_1982_zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east_by_oded/

AnalysisThe 1982 Zionist Plan for the Middle East by Oded Yinon, translated and edited by Israel Shahak

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Re: The Yinon Plan for a Greater Israel

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:07 pm

Why do I need to buy any books Stassi when I just proved your oint redenudent.
As usual you avoid answering.
So try again

It makes no sense Stassi as again Israel could have carried out this plan easily on a number of occasions. This is why you conspiracy idiots are that clueless. Not only that Israel has withdrawn from areas it once controlled. So I will ask again in each of the conflicts with Syria, Jordan and Egypt, why did they carry out these plans?

I would also add why is now Israel got strong ties with Eygpt ensuring its leadership is safe, if the reasoning here is to undermine such goverments?
It shows this is nothing more than a political agenda by some which lacks credability

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Re: The Yinon Plan for a Greater Israel

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:24 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Still in control of Gaza ha ha ha ha ha

Really, they govern the place now do they and enforce the laws there? What an gullible idiot you are.

Not only that Israel could have easily implemented this plan in the numerous conflicts it has had, which you failed to answer why they have not. You are just another gullible Muslims who does not look at something with any reasoned balanced but a bias of hate against Israel

Holy shit Didge. I didn't realise how truly ignorant you are.
Deflective babble from an immature childish twat
Gaza is an open air prison and has no real control over its sovereignty. Its borders are closed in all directions. That's a prison you support.
I support a defense system that stop religious fanatics blowing themselves up in Israel, which it would need to exist if this was not a case of this happenning, but then a poor lginorangt extremist apologist always neglects history. It has the power to govern itself, it thus not occupid and I do not see you condemning many other Arab nations doing the same which just proves what a pathetic Jew hater you are and a complete hypocrite
Again, this is not a Muslim conspriracy and since Likud have been in power, this is exactly what is happening.
Its very much a Muslim conspiracy that has no validity

You're just scared more people will realise the truth about Zionism.
I more concerned about Islamism, as that is where millions are displaced and suffer genocide, but you continue to excuse extemists like Hamas who wish to wipe out the Jew
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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:25 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:A 2005 article in The Jewish Tribune criticized the Centre for Research on Globalisation's website as "rife with anti-Jewish conspiracy theory and Holocaust denial." B'nai Brith Canada had complained that there were comments on a forum that questioned how many Jews died in the Holocaust. Website editor Michel Chossudovsky responded that there was a disclaimer that the website was not to be held responsible for the views expressed in the forum, and he had the comment removed. He also said that he was of Jewish heritage and would be one of the last people to condone antisemitic views. The same article also reported that B'nai B'rith Canada wrote a letter to the University of Ottawa asking for the university "to conduct its own investigation of this propagandist site."

In a 2006 Western Standard article by Terry O'Neill, Chossudovsky was included among "Canada's nuttiest professors", "whose absurdity stands head and shoulders above their colleagues" and who were "peddling half-baked or discredited theories or plain old bigotry" Chussodovsky was said to hold that the U.S. had fore-knowledge of the September 11 attacks and the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami; that Washington had weapons that could influence climate change; and that the large banking institutions are the cause of the collapse of smaller economies, characterised by O'Neill as " more like wild-eyed conspiracy theories than serious political discourse"

Classic Zionist tactics of attempting to discredit.

Zionist, ha ha that was from wiki you ignorant fuckwit ha ha ha ha

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:26 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:And this is the person Zack backs who wrote this article ha ha ha ha ha

More classic Zionist tactics of discrediting.  

Happens when Zioinsts are scared people will discover the truth.

Islamist apologist answer as per usual.

Listen numpty, if you are not going to debaten then jog on, all you are doing now is whining like an idiot








Israel has been vilified for building a security barrier (mostly fence, with walls in urban areas) to keep terrorists emanating from Palestinian enclaves in the West Bank and Gaza from infiltrating into Israeli communities to carry out attacks. Anti-Israel activists on university campuses, in church conclaves and in the media refer to Israel's barrier as the "apartheid wall" pretending that its main purpose is to keep Palestinians penned in to so-called "bantustans", when in reality it was a last-choice solution to stem escalating terrorism against Israeli civilians. Well, it turns out that while Israel's barrier may be an unforgivable offense to those whose vantage point is hundreds or thousands of miles away from the danger, in the region itself, security fences have become commonplace, stretching thousands of miles along insecure borders. An article appearing on Bloomberg News Web site, provides maps and a chronology of fence building in the region. It turns out that the first and still longest security fence was built by Morocco. After 9-11-2001, Saudi Arabia and others followed suit. Even terrorist-flagship Iran has built a fence to keep out unwanted visitors from Afghanistan and Pakistan. At the UN and among activists in the West, only Israel's fence is seen as a problem though. For the others, protecting oneself from terrorist infiltration is ample justification.

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2015/07/who_knew_israeli_security_fenc.html

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:07 am

Michael Milken, with the legal assistance of his brother Lowell, is known for having developed the market for high-yield and high-risk bonds in the 1980s, earning him both billions of dollars and the nickname of "Junk Bond King". In 1990, he plead guilty to six felonies and agreed to pay $600 million, including $200 million in fines, to settle what The New York Times had called "the biggest fraud case in the history of the securities industry". Milken was sentenced to 10 years in prison, but served only 22 months.

According to Mother Jones magazine, Lowell was also indicted on federal racketeering and fraud charges connected to insider-trading violations at Drexel Burnham Lambert, the now-defunct Wall Street investment bank where both brothers worked. However, in order to get Michael to accept a plea deal, the charges against Lowell were dropped.

The magazine further notes that the collapse of Drexel Burnham Lambert and a number of other savings and loan partnerships (many of them affiliated with the Milken brothers) fuelled the larger savings and loan crisis between 1986 and 1995, creating an economic recession and costing American taxpayers about $500 billion.

But despite his criminal record and legacy, Forbes magazine estimates that Michael is currently worth $2.5 billion, making him the 737th richest person in the world. Lowell’s real estate investments helped to make him worth $1 billion in 2008. Back in 1984, he even paid $975,000 in cash for a two-story beach house in Malibu with five bedrooms and four baths.
From fraud charges to illegal settler funding

In recent years, the Milken brothers have focused their attention on philanthropy, working on a wide range of causes, several linked to pro-settler and Islamophobic groups. For example, between 2009 and 2013, the Lowell Milken Family Foundation funnelled $607,000 to the Ariel settlement in the central occupied West Bank, either through the tax-exempt charity American Friends of Ariel or directly to the Ariel University Center of Samaria.

Indeed, Lowell Milken’s contributions to the illegal settlement are so important that the Friends of Ariel website has dubbed him ‘Ariel’s Celebrity’.

Also between 2009-2013, the Milken family foundations donated $555,000 to Aish HaTorah, an international Jewish Orthodox organisation that staunchly defends Israeli policies and features pro-settlement articles on its website. Ronn Torossian, a spokesperson for Aish HaTorah in New York, once told writer Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic magazine, "I think we should kill a hundred Arabs or a thousand Arabs for every one Jew they kill," adding that: "If someone from a town blows himself up and kills Jews, we should wipe out the town he’s from, kill them all."

According to the Tampa Bay Times, Aish HaTorah has close ties to the virulently anti-Muslim Clarion Fund, which is behind the notorious anti-Islam film Obsession: Clarion's address, according to Manhattan directory assistance, is the same address as Aish HaTorah International, the group’s fundraising arm.
Funding Islamophobia

This is not the Milken family’s only link to the "Islamophobia network". Another anti-Muslim cause funded by it is CAMERA, an organisation based in Boston that claims to monitor American media coverage of Israel, but which according to a 2015 report published by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network in reality "is an Islamophobic watchdog organisation that bullies media outlets into producing pro-Israel coverage".

The Milken family foundations have also given a substantial amount of money to MEMRI, founded by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer, and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist, to provide free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto and Turkish media reports.

The Center for American Progress has called MEMRI "the Islamophobia network’s go-to place for selective translations of Islamist rhetoric abroad". One of its directors is Steve Emerson, a media "terrorism expert" who in January 2015 falsely told Fox News that Birmingham is a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go". The subsequent public outcry forced him to apologise.

Other recipients of the Milken brothers’ crooked fortune include: Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, the largest international donor of Israel’s occupation forces; Jewish National Fund, tasked to secure the Jewish stewardship of Palestinian lands; and Zionist Organization of America, the US branch of the World Zionist Organization, which according to The New York Times has played a key role in managing land and infrastructure in Israeli settlements.


- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/shared-funding-tony-blair-israeli-settlements-and-islamophobes-612558816#sthash.0So4gqD6.dpuf

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Re: The Yinon Plan for a Greater Israel

Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:28 am

Cuchulain wrote:Why do I need to buy any books Stassi when I just proved your oint redenudent.
As usual you avoid answering.
So try again

It makes no sense Stassi as again Israel could have carried out this plan easily on a number of occasions. This is why you conspiracy idiots are that clueless. Not only that Israel has withdrawn from areas it once controlled. So I will ask again in each of the conflicts with Syria, Jordan and Egypt, why did they carry out these plans?

I would also add why is now Israel got strong ties with Eygpt ensuring its leadership is safe, if the reasoning here is to undermine such goverments?
It shows this is nothing more than a political agenda by some which lacks credability

I see stassi is spammig again and cannot answer simple questions

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:22 pm

Perhaps you didn't notice didge, because you never actually read anything do you, the link I gave you was to the ACTUAL PLAN, written by Oded Yinon who was a senior offcial in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

So I'll try again:

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/2cm9it/the_1982_zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east_by_oded/

AnalysisThe 1982 Zionist Plan for the Middle East by Oded Yinon, translated and edited by Israel Shahak

You can also try this article:

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0005345.html

The foreward to the article is by Israel Shahak who translated Yinon's publication from Hebrew into English. He was a respected journalist fot the JP. He was a Polish-born Holocaust survivor and Israeli professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, known especially as a liberal secular political thinker, author, and civil rights activist.

Of course, as time goes on plans alter with circumstances, which is why I posted you the article which gives the updating to it for Netanyahu. 


Some Muslim conspiracy.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:35 pm

So more spamming and no answers to my points again.

I am well aware of this conspiracy Sassy, which again has no validity

So again go back and answer the points or its clear you cannot

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:38 pm

Dickhead, complete and utter dickhead.  Documented and written by a senior offcial in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs for the Israeli government at the time, available to read in it's original form, updated for Netanyahu and it's a conspiracy.  You are nothing more than a fool.

And you are calling a Holocaust survivor who translated it part of a conspiracy.  You are simply disgusting.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:42 pm

So Stassi can only offer infantile abuse and nothing to counter my points.
Yes I am calling them a conspiracy theorist.
There is no evidence to these claims or any actual links to anything happenning
How disgusting you would play off him being a victim of the holocaust to say people cannot question his views.
That makes you a pathetic low life as his time suffering has nothing to do with poor views held or made about Israel

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:48 pm

You have no idea what's going on do you?  I have come to realise that your views are formed by simply being totally ignorant of what is happening in the Middle East, that's truly sad that you have been pontificating for such a long time when you know zilch.

Go back to your ignorant bubble, there is not point in discussing anything about Israel with you, because you lack the knowledge to discuss it.

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Note: Anti-Israel notions about the so-called "Yinon Plan," based on a translation and editing of a 1982 article, are promoted by Islamist and lunatic-fringe Web sites such as the one mentioned below. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of articles written by Israelis, the Yinon Plan has been conveniently, if unfoundedly, identified as representing Israel's real strategy. So, what is this "Plan" all about? Oded Yinon is an Israeli journalist who apparently at one time had been attached to the Foreign Ministry of Israel. Yinon authored an essay, "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980's (dubbed the Yinon Plan)," printed in1982 (in Hebrew) in the journal, Kivunim Hadashim (New Directions) published by the World Zionist Organization. The "Yinon Plan" was promoted by the anti-Zionist writer, Israel Shahak, in his translation and editing of Yinon's essay as "Greater Israel: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East" published by the Association of Arab-American University Graduates, Inc. (March 3, 2013). Shahak's piece is available on the Global Research Website.

Elder of Ziyon says about the Shahak work, "... Shahak's translation of Yinon's article has very little to say about Israel actively causing Arab regimes to fracture. In fact, most of the article (and possibly all, since Shahak cannot be trusted to translate accurately) talks about how this dissolution of the Arab world is inevitable, given the hatred between Sunnis and Shiites, different tribes in Syria, Iraq and Jordan, oil rich states run by a tiny elite but not sharing the wealth with the poor citizens, and so forth. In some ways Yinon's article has been vindicated; he pretty much predicted the Arab Spring in 1982... If Israel's strategy in the 1980s was to cause the Arab world to collapse, it failed, as the current Arab Spring upheavals came over 20 years later. But the beauty of the theory - especially for Shiites - is that the problems in Egypt, Syria, Libya and so forth can now be blamed on Israel, which is behind everything! Sunni leaders are Israel's puppets!"

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:52 pm

Elder of Ziyon, is an influential American[1] pro-Israel blog.[2] It is written anonymously

The blog's name is an ironic reference to the anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which makes the claim that Jews control the world. On his web page, "Elder" explains that the name of the blog "is meant to be ironic, of course. Now it makes it a little harder for me to be taken seriously by the media at large - on one occasion, the Jerusalem Post edited out a reference to me because it sounded too weird (the reporter told me that.)"[4]
Due to the unusual spelling, the blog is often erroneously cited as "Elder of Zion"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_of_Ziyon

Sure not even a total numbnuts would use that blog as a reference?

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:54 pm

In reaction to his writings about Judaism and the Talmud, Shahak has been accused of antisemitism.[26] The Anti-Defamation League listed Shahak as one of four authors of polemics in its paper The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics, while Bogdanor accused Shahak of "recycling Soviet antisemitic propaganda".[36]
In 1995 Werner Cohn wrote of Shahak:
Without question, he is the world's most conspicuous Jewish antisemite... Like the Nazis before him, Shahak specialized in defaming the Talmud. In fact, he has made it his life's work to popularize the anti-Talmud ruminations of the 18th century German antisemite, Johann Eisenmenger.[37]
Emanuele Ottolenghi argues that Jews like Shahak act as enablers for antisemites, stating that their rhetoric plays a "crucial role... in excusing, condoning, and — in effect — abetting anti-Semitism." In his view:
Anti-Semites rely on Jews to confirm their prejudice: If Jews recur to such language and advocate such policies, how can anyone be accused of anti-Semitism for making the same arguments? [...] The mechanism through which an anti-Semitic accusation becomes respectable once a Jew endorses it is not limited to Israel’s new historians... Israel Shahak made the comparison between Israel and Nazism respectable — all the while describing Judaism according to the medieval canons of the blood libel.[38]
While agreeing that Shahak's works contribute to antisemitism, Dan Rickman, writing in The Guardian, is not completely dismissive:
Shahak ignores [the dialectical nature and humanist] aspects of the sources. Further, through overstating his case, his analysis fits into antisemitic traditions of such accusations against the Talmud. Copies of the Talmud have been burned and the text of the Talmud that is studied today is still heavily censored. Shahak's view that chauvinism in these sources in any way "justifies" antisemitism is also very troubling.
However, I do believe that his trenchant critique of Judaism is, tragically, not without some force.
The contemporary situation is that we do see some modern Orthodox rabbis utilise xenophobic sources in modern rulings. Orthodox rabbis in organisations such asRabbis for Human Rights are sadly the exception rather than the rule

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:54 pm

And you will note, the actual link to the plan is not from Global Research, but from Reddit.   Oh yes, and the called of a holocaust survivor as a 'self hating Jew' by Zionists, nice.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:56 pm

Who cares where it comes from.
The only thing it predicted was the Arab springs, the rest is nothing but made up gibberish as seen.
He is as seen even by the Guardian seen as someone who contributes to antisemitism.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:57 pm

You're pathetic, and you say you are not a Zionist, don't make me laugh.

You make me laugh so much, can't stop giggling again.  What a Wally!

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:59 pm

So we are back to infantile insults.
Clearly many people including the Guardian think much of his work contributes to antisemitism/ Now you can ignore this which only a indoctrinated left wing extremist would do, or you can start to open your eyes and see that much of what he claims is groundless.
It has nothing to do with Zionism, as to me that is as absurd as any religious ideology.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:00 pm

new insidious theory seems to be doing the rounds amongst the conspiratorial left in politics, namely that Britain and the US are doing the dirty work of Israel in Iraq and following through their previously stated foreign policy objective of the balkanization of Iraq. This theory centres on an obscure journal article written in 1982 by Israeli journalist Oded Yinon entitled ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties’ in the Zionist journal Kivvonim. This article is the basis for ream upon ream of anti-Zionist writing upon the internet, a quick google will uncover potentially exponential numbers of crank articles on Israel’s true intentions.

Oden Yinon’s article was originally published in English under the title, ‘Making the Arab World Collapse’ in the Journal of Palestinian Studies (1982, University of California Press). It was re-translated – for deliberately political ends – by ‘self-hating Jew’ Israel Shahak. As anyone familiar with Shahak’s work could hazard a guess on, the Shahak translation is rather different from the one that is presented in the academic journal. This may perhaps seem like a rather onanistic splitting of hairs, but in the context in which those who hate the state of Israel use it, it is all rather important. For example, the article begins:

“At the outset of the 1980s, Israel needs to establish a new vision of its place, its objectives and its national goals, internal and external.”

Shahak translates this alternatively, supplementing ‘objectives’ with ‘aims’ and ‘goals’ with ‘targets’: a turn towards a clearly aggressive shooting metaphor. The main contention of Yinon’s piece is that the original intervention of foreign colonial powers and Arab nationalism produced weak artificially constructed nations comprising mutually antagonistic ethnic groups. The borders of the nations of the Middle East are entirely contrived and as such the region is deeply and institutionally unstable. His article is well-versed and makes some sensible original points, he thinks that Jordan is internally maladroit, for the population is on the whole Palestinian, whilst a trans-Jordanian Bedouin minority rule – only enmity towards Israel keeps the state coherent. Yet, Shahak’s translation takes Yinon’s contention that the Middle East’s ‘imaginary communities’ will eventually disintegrate, and takes this as the aim of extreme Zionism. On Egypt, Yinon writes:

“Egypt, both by nature and by virtue of its existing internal political structure is dead; it has collapsed and it faces an Islamic-Christian division which will become more acute in the future. Breaking Egypt territorially into separate geographical districts is the political goal of Israel in the 1980s on its western front. Divided, and having crumbled into many districts, Egypt, unlike today, will not present any threats to Israel. It will rather be a guarantee for security and peace for a long time.”

Becomes the rather shorter:

“Egypt, in its present domestic political picture, is already a corpse, all the more so if we take into account the growing Moslem-Christian rift. Breaking Egypt down territorially into distinct geographical regions is the political aim of
Israel in the Nineteen Eighties on its Western front.”

There is no doubt that Yinon is extreme, but Shahak’s translation makes him misleadingly so and entirely ignores the valid points Yinon makes about the unstable artificial ethnic construction of the states in the region. Yinon envisages a peaceful
Middle East where nations whose telos is the destruction of the Israeli state fragment into viable ethnic entities (who no longer need the adrenaline of anti-Semitism to keep them alive): Shahak deliberately translates his work into that of a war-mongering land-grabber. Sadly, Shahak’s translation has gathered a momentum of its own and Yinon’s prophecy in 1982 that Iraq would disintegrate along sectarian lines has now been doctored to show that in 1982, Israel planned the disintegration of Iraq along sectarian lines. The obscure writings of a journalist in a tiny journal are now writ-large by those antipathetic to the existence of an Israeli state.

The latest emergence of this ‘theory’ is in the recent arrival of this flotsam bilge upon the dark underbelly of the anti-war left. Google ‘balkanization of Iraq’ and be amazed at the corpulent body of anti-Israeli rhetoric all based upon Shahak’s twisted translation of a journal article from 1982. Linda S. Heard (I rather she wasn’t), a British correspondent for the Arab News and rent-a-gob for pretty much every unsavoury anti-Israeli cause going, has written a diabolical piece for rag Al Shindagah entitled, ‘Are wars being waged for Israel?’. Her conclusion is thus:

“There is one thing we can know for sure, though. Oden Yinon’s 1982 ‘Zionist Plan for the Middle East’ [another new translation] is in large part taking place. Is this pure coincidence? In the absence of absolute proof to the contrary, we can only say ‘perhaps’.”

Ah, true Leninist justice! The article is furnished with a photoshopped image of a family in front of Congress with two members draped in the Stars and Stripes and two draped in the Israeli flag. Little can be done to prevent the circulation of this venom around the body politic, except by making objections to the magazines and newspapers who print it. Al Shindagah, is it is fair to say, is no friend of Israel, the Jewish people, the UK or US (and that is phrasing it in the manner of a parish priest). In its latest edition, the editorial comment has the strap line, ‘Sons of Abraham… Beware’. Then we have a further piece from Linda S. Heard praising Hugo Chavez. In this vein the poison continues with a piece by Paul Findley, ex-Republican congressman and critic of American relations with Israel (also winner of the 2000 ‘Malcolm X National Human Rights award’ by the American Muslim Alliance). Findley’s article, ‘How to Prevent another 9/11’ has an unsurprising conclusion:

“Why 9/11? Months ago, bin Laden informed the world that 9/11 was a payback for US complicity in Israel’s 1982 laughter of more than 18,000 innocent Arabs in Beirut, as well as recent outrages. These days, we give bin Laden incentive for another payback, but our government can prevent that calamity without firing a shot or spending more billions on a futile effort to encase America in a protective cocoon. All it needs do is to suspend all aid until Israel ends its illegal occupation of Arab land.” [My italics]

9/11 a ‘payback’ – truly awful stuff but not novel and perhaps now all too acceptable by many on the hard left and right, so you may well think this is all whistling in the wind. But Hildon Water and Aston Martin are products who have been associated with this tat by their suppliers placing advertisements in al Shindagah. And if you, like me, feel deeply unhappy about anti-Israel propoganda being paid for by two British companies, then get in touch with the brands who are now openly associated with al Shindagah and protest.

enquires@hildon.com

Hildon Limited, Broughton, Hampshire, SO20 8DQ

Mention the supplier: the International Hotel Supply Company (ichhildon@emirates.net.ae)

http://www.astonmartin.com/ENG/contactus/customerservice

Aston Martin, Banbury Road, Gaydon, Warwick, CV35 0DB
Again, mention the supplier: Al Habtoor Motors, Dubai.

I am not an unfettered screaming Zionist, I strongly advocate a two-state solution based around the 1967 borders, and I believe in fair play. When the BNP were canvassing anti-Islamic literature in Lewisham I refuted their slander because it is not fair to make false accusations. Israel did not instruct the UK and US to invade Iraq, neither is it the foreign policy objective of the UK, US or Israel to see the balkanization of the nation of Iraq. We need intelligent debate on this subject, not a stack of politically motivated lies dug out from a translation of a journal article from 1982. Write to the companies involved and prevent these lies being propagated further.

https://allthemorereason.wordpress.com/2006/07/07/the-lies-of-those-who-hate-israel-and-how-to-stop-them/

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:22 pm

The most annoying thing about these absurd conspiracies put forward and done so by idiots, is that they simple do not care of the consequences of such fabrications made against Israel. I am all for honest criticism of the Israeli Government who like I said hinder the peace process and a more Liberal Government is needed, but this is not honest criticism. Its lies invented to promote a hateful view towards Israel. Its the same tactics used by the far right against Muslims, races etc, as it is Jews whether Israel or anywhere around the world that suffer hate and persecution from such lies. Though either Stassi and Zack are as i claim that stupid they cannot see that, or they are both aware it will create hate and deliberately promote hate knowing Jews will suffer from their irresponsibility.

When are people going to learn and grow up that hate is wrong?
People who follow and promote bad ideas are idiots.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:15 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Holy shit. Talk about making you jump hoops.

I think you devout more time to me than you do to your own wife.


I think the more you promote hate against Israel the more I see you fail to understand its consequences.
It makes you nothing more than a hater.
Reconciliation and peace is the key, not further hate
Now as seen we know what has been promoted by you is nothing more than a load of speculative beliefs of people who in most cases have an agenda of hate against Israel.
When are you going to grow up?
When are you actually going to stop using this conflict to promote hate?
When are you actually going to start caring for the many Palestinians suffering in Arab lands as much as you claim to do for those in the Palestinian territories?

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:37 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


I think the more you promote hate against Israel the more I see you fail to understand its consequences.
It makes you nothing more than a hater.
Reconciliation and peace is the key, not further hate
Now as seen we know what has been promoted by you is nothing more than a load of speculative beliefs of people who in most cases have an agenda of hate against Israel.
When are you going to grow up?
When are you actually going to stop using this conflict to promote hate?
When are you actually going to start caring for the many Palestinians suffering in Arab lands as much as you claim to do for those in the Palestinian territories?

Does your wife ignore you because you have a tiny penis?

You've spent the whole weekend on here pressing F5.


Post reported.

I see you still cannot grow up and answer questions you just deflect badly so

Try again


Reconciliation and peace is the key, not further hate
Now as seen we know what has been promoted by you is nothing more than a load of speculative beliefs of people who in most cases have an agenda of hate against Israel.
When are you going to grow up?
When are you actually going to stop using this conflict to promote hate?
When are you actually going to start caring for the many Palestinians suffering in Arab lands as much as you claim to do for those in the Palestinian territories?

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:41 am

Why have you reported the post Didge?

Lots of you talk about each other's penises. You do it all the time Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:50 am

eddie wrote:Why have you reported the post Didge?

Lots of you talk about each other's penises. You do it all the time Rolling Eyes

It is bringing in to this my wife, that is against the rules I thought you knew.
I respected Ben when he told me to cut out such talk to Nems, so why do you now offer excuses to this?
When I did so i was wrong and admitted so and stopped whenn you asked me to, so prey tell why you now excuse this when it is someone else.
Seriously I have no worries over my girth Eddie and never have, I am just pointing out how you are so biased as it seems to act.

What has my wife got to do with any of this?

That is why I have gone to Ben as you as seen are utterly biased

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:54 am

Erm well all reported posts go to the admin panel - can't see yours though?

OkAy so you're upset he mentioned your wife?

I will ask him to stop. Though it wasn't a dig at your wife per se really, but a dig at you tbh.

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:55 am

zack please refrain from bringing other poster's family members into debates.
Thank you
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:59 am

eddie wrote:Erm well all reported posts go to the admin panel - can't see yours though?

OkAy so you're upset he mentioned your wife?

I will ask him to stop. Though it wasn't a dig at your wife per se really, but a dig at you tbh.

I could not give a flying fuck if it was directed at me, that is the point you miss, my wife has nothing to do with the debate.

You seriously are still giving pathetic excuses.

That is why I did not go to you, as seen you only act after I show you to being very poor.

Pathetic

You want me to debate and be nice and then say that.

That is why I have little respect for you as admin when ytou hold such bias views against me Eddie, which you just proved you did.
You only acted because it was against the rule only after saying so

Seriously do not do me any favours I would rather ben say so.

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:01 am

eddie wrote:zack please refrain from bringing other poster's family members into debates.
Thank you

Bump for didge as I'm sure he missed it
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:02 am

By the way this is not the only bad post and I sent Ben towo nprivate PM's because as seen you are biased Eddie.
I will stop as requested but you have to ensure others do the same or I will not even think I should bother either to abide by any rules when you allow others to and even worse defend them breaking the rules. Now you have just ensured why I should never trust you.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:03 am

eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:zack please refrain from bringing other poster's family members into debates.
Thank you

Bump for didge as I'm sure he missed it

I did not miss this, you only acted because I exposed your hypocrisy.
Who needs enemies when I have friends like you Eddie eh?

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:13 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
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Post reported.

I see you still cannot grow up and answer questions you just deflect badly so

Try again


Reconciliation and peace is the key, not further hate
Now as seen we know what has been promoted by you is nothing more than a load of speculative beliefs of people who in most cases have an agenda of hate against Israel.
When are you going to grow up?
When are you actually going to stop using this conflict to promote hate?
When are you actually going to start caring for the many Palestinians suffering in Arab lands as much as you claim to do for those in the Palestinian territories?

Aah, did you go tell mummy on me. Did she give you a cuddle and say I was being naughty.

No I just showed up how immature you are Zack to Ben and that you are this immature.

You are a sheep after all so by you expressing hate just proves my point on religion does it not, because why would you express hate, and offense to people if you follow love?

Ouch do you see how I am easily able I am to have you tied up in knots.

Could not care at your lame insults, its about showing up some mods are biased as seen

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Post by eddie on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:45 am

Cuchulain wrote:
eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:zack please refrain from bringing other poster's family members into debates.
Thank you

Bump for didge as I'm sure he missed it

I did not miss this, you only acted because I exposed your hypocrisy.
Who needs enemies when I have friends like you Eddie eh?

I acted because you asked me to and I take all poster's complaints seriously.

Stop being a drama queen. I cannot do right for doing wrong.
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