How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

View previous topic View next topic Go down

How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:40 pm

Families are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

THE MINISTRY of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/how-millions-in-the-uk-have-been-exposed-to-germ-warfare-by-our-own-government#.VavtOUg4eQA.twitter

Words fail me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by eddie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:23 pm

I can absolutely believe that.

I have often wondered (and thought this as a child!) whether when "bad news" is to be broken and may cause unrest....do they pump thr cold virus into say, air-conditioning units via work places?
Might sound far-fetched but what better way to keep most people emotionally contained than a stinking cold?

I can well believe that certain types of this kind of thing is done to us.

_________________
"You set alight, in my heart and mind, the most beautiful chaos" ~ atticus
avatar
eddie
king of beards. Keeper of the Whip. head cook and bottle washer. Senior mushroom muncher

Posts : 32407
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 47
Location : England

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:25 pm

Well, in this case the paperwork is there to prove it, and they can't put it down to a 'conspiracy theory' Rolling Eyes Neutral

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by eddie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:37 pm

sassy wrote:Well, in this case the paperwork is there to prove it, and they can't put it down to a 'conspiracy theory' Rolling Eyes Neutral

I bet someone will...! affraid

_________________
"You set alight, in my heart and mind, the most beautiful chaos" ~ atticus
avatar
eddie
king of beards. Keeper of the Whip. head cook and bottle washer. Senior mushroom muncher

Posts : 32407
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 47
Location : England

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:43 pm

Oh bound to!

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:47 pm

Non Story.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.


I am all for an investigation here and further tests, but from reading the article its people trying to make fit tests carried out to personal family medical problems. I will keep an open mind on this, but it lacks validity

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by eddie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:01 pm

What would it need then, to give it validity? scratch

_________________
"You set alight, in my heart and mind, the most beautiful chaos" ~ atticus
avatar
eddie
king of beards. Keeper of the Whip. head cook and bottle washer. Senior mushroom muncher

Posts : 32407
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 47
Location : England

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:04 pm

eddie wrote:What would it need then, to give it validity? scratch

While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Don't tell me, that's not good enough for the one who thinks he is God?

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by eddie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:10 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:What would it need then, to give it validity? scratch

While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Don't tell me, that's not good enough for the one who thinks he is God?

Well...perhaps he only believes MoD when he chooses to? I don't know!

_________________
"You set alight, in my heart and mind, the most beautiful chaos" ~ atticus
avatar
eddie
king of beards. Keeper of the Whip. head cook and bottle washer. Senior mushroom muncher

Posts : 32407
Join date : 2013-07-28
Age : 47
Location : England

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:22 pm

eddie wrote:
sassy wrote:

While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Don't tell me, that's not good enough for the one who thinks he is God?

Well...perhaps he only believes MoD when he chooses to? I don't know!

Sounds right for he who must be bowed down to lol

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:08 am

I hope Sassy has been exposed to germ warfare ...

rabbit

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I hope Sassy has been exposed to germ warfare ...

rabbit

Lol, is that supposed to worry me? Well you certainly have, it took away quite a lot of your humanity.

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I hope Sassy has been exposed to germ warfare ...

rabbit
what a nasty thing to say

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:15 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I hope Sassy has been exposed to germ warfare ...

rabbit
what a nasty thing to say

Thank you. Laughing

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:15 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I hope Sassy has been exposed to germ warfare ...

rabbit
what a nasty thing to say

Shouldn't worry, the germ warfare got her first and took away any trace of humanity, she's a robot now lol

Walks away singing 'If she only had a heart' - but she doesn't.

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:17 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
what a nasty thing to say

Thank you. Laughing
i guess its "that time of the month " its the only explanation for your sudden bought of anger and paranoia ...try chocolate

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:17 am

cheers

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:18 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Thank you. Laughing
i guess its "that time of the month " its the only explanation for your sudden bought of anger and paranoia ...try chocolate  

Oh dear - more sexist comments.

Naughty Korban. Laughing

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:28 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
i guess its "that time of the month " its the only explanation for your sudden bought of anger and paranoia ...try chocolate  

Oh dear - more sexist comments.

Naughty Korban. Laughing
Naughty yes
but nasty only when the need arises i only speak for my self of course

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:28 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh dear - more sexist comments.

Naughty Korban. Laughing
Naughty yes
but nasty only when the need arises i only speak for my self of course

Course you do - that's why you tag-team with Victor and Sassy.

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:29 am

I tag team with no-one, if I think you are an arse hole I'll say so, whatever anyone else is saying.

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:30 am

sassy wrote:I tag team with no-one, if I think you are an arse hole I'll say so, whatever anyone else is saying.

If I told you every time you were being an arsehole, there would be no room for anything else on this forum. Laughing


Last edited by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:31 am; edited 1 time in total

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by sassy on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:31 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:I tag team with no-one, if I think you are an arse hole I'll say so, whatever anyone else is saying.

If I told you every time you were being an arsehole, there would be room for anything else on this forum. Laughing

You couldn't type that fast lol

_________________
This planet is our home.  Our life and hers are interdependent - Doreen Valiente


The Left want to make life easier for as many people as possible, The Right want to make life easier for themselves and fuck everyone else.
avatar
sassy
Convicted Hex Offender

Posts : 17523
Join date : 2015-01-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:32 am

korban dallas wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Thank you. Laughing
i guess its "that time of the month " its the only explanation for your sudden bought of anger and paranoia ...try chocolate  

PMS...AKA "mad cow disease"

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:32 am

victorismyhero wrote:
korban dallas wrote:
i guess its "that time of the month " its the only explanation for your sudden bought of anger and paranoia ...try chocolate  

PMS...AKA "mad cow disease"

Tag-teaming alert ...

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:34 am

anyhows, what I came here to say was...this is "old news" confirmed. I read about this some 20 odd years ago...then it all went suspiciously quiet........

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:35 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:

PMS...AKA "mad cow disease"

Tag-teaming alert ...

victim card alert

be a "lert" your country needs lerts

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:35 am

victorismyhero wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Tag-teaming alert ...

victim card alert

be a "lert" your country needs lerts

Moron alert - Victor's about.


_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:38 am

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

If I told you every time you were being an arsehole, there would be no room for anything else on this forum. Laughing

You couldn't type that fast lol

I don't think anyone could.

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:42 am

ooooo...raggas buzzin like a nest of wasps with a cork up its hole.....

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:45 am

victorismyhero wrote:ooooo...raggas buzzin like a nest of wasps with a cork up its hole.....

Something you know much about?

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:49 am

well dearie...its about all YOU would "get up your hole
I mean, be honest ragga...even your rampant rabbit surrendered to me and asked me to shoot it.....

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:50 am

victorismyhero wrote:well dearie...its about all YOU would "get up your hole
I mean, be honest ragga...even your rampant rabbit surrendered to me and asked me to shoot it.....

You're just a bunny boiler really, aren't you?

_________________

"It ain't over 'til it's over"
avatar
Raggamuffin

Posts : 29436
Join date : 2014-02-10

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:56 am

I dont boil em.....I casserole em....or roast em.....

no finesse some folks

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum