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Post by nicko on Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:33 pm

Had really bad attack of Gall Stones last night, strong painkillers no effect. Last attack was 2 years ago. Surgeon is doubtful about operating because of my heart. I have read about Apple Cider Vinegar , has any one tried it?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:50 pm

Not for gall stones. It tastes awful, which probably means it's doing some good.

Can't you have keyhole surgery or something?

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:11 pm

Oh my word, I do sympathise Nicko!  - Rags, if it's his heart the doc is worried about, he could not have keyhole, they still cut you about inside and you have general anaesthetic, which would be the problem.

Had them nearly 30 years ago Nicko and had the op before they had keyhole.  The pain of an attack is excruciating.   To be honest, it was worse than having a baby, had three attacks before they did the op.  They can be calciam or cholestral, but in either case I don't see how the vinegar would help, you already have much stronger acid than that in your stomach.

Best of luck Nicko, what else can go wrong for you!

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:50 pm

Forgot to say Nicko, I was told to steer clear of milky drinks, the one time I didn't, I had an attack.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:19 pm

Thought they used ultra sound on them to break them up?


My mate got them bad after using gaviscon for a while... the calcium in it may have aggravated problem.


You need plenty of vitamin d to absorb calcium properly apparently.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:18 pm

You guys are freaking me out, I have hereditary high cholesterol and a Vitamin D deficiency ... don't know if I can go through that, especially after already having blown my ringer last year Wink

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:49 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:You guys are freaking me out, I have hereditary high cholesterol and a Vitamin D deficiency ... don't know if I can go through that, especially after already having blown my ringer last year Wink



Many of these so called 'hereditary' problems are quite likely more down to bad dietary habits that are learnt from and passed down from parents/grandparents etc...


Get a decent high quality cod liver oil or fish oil... has vitamin D (and vitamin A which you should avoid having too much of) and the oil also works to lower bad cholesterol And boost good cholesterol levels.

Also good for your joints and bones as well as helping to clear out metals like aluminium.


Vitamin D is also naturally found in other foods that you may be missing out from enough of in your diet.

Also in loads of green vegetables that are packed with other essential nutrients.



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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:45 pm

Focus on: Familial hypercholesterolaemia

Too much fatty food is a cause of high cholesterol for many of us, but for about 120,000 people in the UK, it’s all in the genes. Sarah Brealey speaks to Professor Steve Humphries, BHF Chair of Cardiovascular Genetics at University College London, to find out more.

Cholesterol plays a vital part in how our body works, but if levels get too high, it increases our risk of heart disease. For most of us, this doesn’t happen until we’re in our 40s, and a common cause is eating too much saturated fat in things like butter, cheese, cakes and pastries.

So there’s a lot we can do to keep the levels under control, and we should all try to have a healthy lifestyle to reduce our risk of heart disease.

But for some people, it’s not just a question of lifestyle and getting older. About one in 500 people has familial hypercholesterolaemia (FH), an inherited condition that means their cholesterol levels are higher than normal from birth. It’s caused by an abnormal gene and, despite it putting people at high risk of early heart disease, most of them don’t even know they have it.
What’s the difference between FH and standard high cholesterol?

Anyone can develop high cholesterol as they age, but FH is a genetic condition, passed on to you by one of your parents. When you have FH, your cholesterol is high from birth, whereas most people’s cholesterol goes up as they get older and they may be 50, 60 or 70 before their cholesterol is considered high enough to increase their risk of heart disease. So it’s not that the cholesterol itself is any different, but that your risk of heart disease is much higher because you’ve had high cholesterol for so much longer. Someone who is 40 with FH could easily have the heart attack risk of a 70 year old.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-matters-magazine/medical/familial-hypercholesterolaemia

BTW, they are now saying fatty food does not cause high cholesterol, and in any case cholesterol is what keeps our brains functioning, which is why it is produced in the liver.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cholesterol-uturn-as-research-shows-fatty-foods-might-not-be-bad-for-us-after-all-10277837.html

http://www.drperlmutter.com/brain-needs-cholesterol/

Being overweight 'reduces dementia risk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32233571


BTW, they can shatter calcium stones with sound waves, but not cholesterol stones.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:02 am

sassy wrote: Focus on: Familial hypercholesterolaemia

Too much fatty food is a cause of high cholesterol for many of us, but for about 120,000 people in the UK, it’s all in the genes. Sarah Brealey speaks to Professor Steve Humphries, BHF Chair of Cardiovascular Genetics at University College London, to find out more.

Cholesterol plays a vital part in how our body works, but if levels get too high, it increases our risk of heart disease. For most of us, this doesn’t happen until we’re in our 40s, and a common cause is eating too much saturated fat in things like butter, cheese, cakes and pastries.

So there’s a lot we can do to keep the levels under control, and we should all try to have a healthy lifestyle to reduce our risk of heart disease.

But for some people, it’s not just a question of lifestyle and getting older. About one in 500 people has familial hypercholesterolaemia (FH), an inherited condition that means their cholesterol levels are higher than normal from birth. It’s caused by an abnormal gene and, despite it putting people at high risk of early heart disease, most of them don’t even know they have it.
What’s the difference between FH and standard high cholesterol?

Anyone can develop high cholesterol as they age, but FH is a genetic condition, passed on to you by one of your parents. When you have FH, your cholesterol is high from birth, whereas most people’s cholesterol goes up as they get older and they may be 50, 60 or 70 before their cholesterol is considered high enough to increase their risk of heart disease. So it’s not that the cholesterol itself is  any different, but that your risk of heart disease is much higher because you’ve had high cholesterol for so much longer. Someone who is 40 with FH could easily have the heart attack risk of a 70 year old.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-matters-magazine/medical/familial-hypercholesterolaemia

BTW, they are now saying fatty food does not cause high cholesterol, and in any case cholesterol is what keeps our brains functioning, which is why it is produced in the liver.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cholesterol-uturn-as-research-shows-fatty-foods-might-not-be-bad-for-us-after-all-10277837.html

http://www.drperlmutter.com/brain-needs-cholesterol/

Being overweight 'reduces dementia risk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-32233571


BTW, they can shatter calcium stones with sound waves, but not cholesterol stones.

cos cholesterol stones is rubbery.

also it is now being considered that its NOT what you eat thats a cholesterol problem ...but what your body does with it.....

if you are prone to cholesterol problems the even if you eat only the so called "benficial fats" you will STILL get cholesterol problems.

margerine ...forget it ...its full of crap and is vile stuff on toast...use butter.....just not too much

I ended up on statins becasue of "bad cholesterol" no dietry control worked and in any case was as seen pointless...

since being started on statins, I have butter and even gone back to chips made in lard (about once a week)

and totally gone off all these fancy money spinning "beneficial fats"....

and my cholesterol? is spot on...levels like a 20 year old Laughing

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:04 am

oh and IF you have to go on statins...insist your doc puts you on rosuvastatin.....NOT the cheapo alternatives.

far less side effects AND studies have shown it has other cardio protective and stroke preventative effects....



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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:34 am

I refuse to have any fats that aren't natural, have butter and olive oil and never have low fat stuff because it's full of thickeners and sugar. Prefer greek yohurt with fresh fruit etc. I make my own ice cream with cream and egg yolks etc and my cholesterol is 4.5. Can't say as I would be bothered if it was a bit high, probably what keeps my brain going Wink

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:59 am



http://mediterraneandiet.org.uk/the-best-diet-plan-to-lower-cholesterol-naturally/


Also going for a brisk walk for an hour a day or a leisurely cycle ride will help lower cholesterol... if you Are prone to higher levels then even more reason to do all this...



But It is a fact that many bad habits are passed on through generations and the root cause of many peoples problems...



To be honest, someone can only really claim a problem is heredity if They are following a real top diet and exercising and the problem still persists...



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