ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

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ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by eddie on Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:57 am

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In the United States alone, at least 9 percent of kids are diagnosed with ADHD and are being treated with different kinds of pharmaceutical medications. The design of our school system is horribly outdated and provides little benefit in comparison to how transformative it could truly be.

adhd-kidsImagine schools like this, which funnily enough James cameron created; that allow you to create whatever you want.

Your teachers should be in support of what you want to do in life. Classrooms should be outside or at least in different, stimulating places.

Children should not be forced to sit in class rooms every day – it is completely keeping them from understanding their full potential.

This education system is in place for a very specific reason, and it’s all connected to the pharmaceutical and governmental systems.

Now, the percentage of children with AHDH in France is dramatically less at less than .5 percent.

So what is going on here?

Our medical system is a lot less honest. Child psychiatrists in the States consider ADHD as a biological order. As in, the neurons firing in your brain have to do with you alone and not your environment and social situations. This is absurd because your interaction with reality will determine how your brain functions, how it will process information and what different chemicals it will produce.

Why don’t our doctors understand this?

French child psychiatrists, on the other hand, see ADHD being linked to psycho-social and situational causes. Instead of drugging children, they focus on the behavioral problems and look for the underlying issue that is causing the child distress.

It does not exist in the child’s brain, but rather them in a social context. They treat the kids with different forms of counseling which is how it should be!

In France, fewer children qualify for the ADHD diagnosis. In the States, ADHD is a lot more broad and views normal childhood behavior as something that needs to be contained and medicated.

Children are playing on green meadowFrance is aware enough to even approach this holistically through nutritional and lifestyle changes. Ingredients like aspartame, artificial coloring or flavor, preservatives and GMO’s can contribute to this ‘disorder’.

Supposedly, the creator of “ADHD” said that it was a fictitious disorder. It doesn’t really exist, our society is just designed completely wrong.

So then we numb our delicate children’s brains out with harsh medication like Ritalin or Adderall, in hopes to calm them down, when children need to the opposite.

They need to be excited, run around and get their energy out. We are harming our younger generations so much! Please see this; it’s obvious to anyone who really looks.


http://thespiritscience.net/2015/07/10/adhd-does-not-exist-why-french-children-dont-have-adhd/

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:45 am

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:no you didn't didge half your like were to the same article produced by a pharmaceutical company.

seriously SOURCES
if you are going to rely so heavily on Copy and paste at least learn to track you sources Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

And None of that changes the NHS requirements for diagnosis Which strangely are not in line with the advertisement from a US pharmaceutical company claiming  consensus Rolling Eyes


No what I am advising is that you yourself have no expertise or qualifications on the matter and are attempting to advise people. That is danagerous.
Allow experts to advise and for people to get second opinions, and not from some nerd behind a PC in Australia
I started this debating pointing outthe flaws in the article which nobody has addressed, even you.
It then becomes pointless trying to debate paranoid people like yourself who think they know more than experts. Itis self confessed idiots behind a PC that think they can read some articles on thw web and are over night experts. Such people are a danger not only to others but themselves because they think they know more than experts when they do not.
Learn to understand there is very little you actually know about ADHD. I am no expert either, but do not try and cloud peoples minds with bullshit.
I advise they seek many different expert opinions

LOL than stop posting advertisements moron and I wont need to correct you ignorance. READ THE OP and the articles from the NHS, Australia and the EU, clearly states this is still open to debate. there is the US opinion or what it calls the french opinion but in reality almost every other western nation (but Canada) treats children with Non-Pharmaceutical solutions first. which is in line with the french opinion also they all consider dietary and home life conditions before diagnosis with ADHD which the US is alone in NOT DOING.


SO maybe if you stopped parroting long enough to read You would realize that I am actually suggesting solutions that are proven to work without giving mind altering substances to children. As is encouraged in every education system but the USA

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by Guest on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


No what I am advising is that you yourself have no expertise or qualifications on the matter and are attempting to advise people. That is danagerous.
Allow experts to advise and for people to get second opinions, and not from some nerd behind a PC in Australia
I started this debating pointing outthe flaws in the article which nobody has addressed, even you.
It then becomes pointless trying to debate paranoid people like yourself who think they know more than experts. Itis self confessed idiots behind a PC that think they can read some articles on thw web and are over night experts. Such people are a danger not only to others but themselves because they think they know more than experts when they do not.
Learn to understand there is very little you actually know about ADHD. I am no expert either, but do not try and cloud peoples minds with bullshit.
I advise they seek many different expert opinions

LOL than stop posting advertisements moron and I wont need to correct you ignorance. READ THE OP and the articles from the NHS, Australia and the EU, clearly states this is still open to debate. there is the US opinion or what it calls the french opinion but in reality almost every other western nation (but Canada) treats children with Non-Pharmaceutical solutions first. which is in line with the french opinion also they all consider dietary and home life conditions  before diagnosis with ADHD which the US is alone in NOT DOING.


SO maybe if you stopped parroting long enough to read You would realize that I am actually suggesting solutions that are proven to work without giving mind altering substances to children. As is encouraged in every education system but the USA


Open to debate.
Its open for review on methods, on which again its best for people to take on expert advice
You are not an expert and do noteven come close to one, you failto even understand the basics.
So maybe you need to realise that you do notknow enough to offer advise.
Like I said, you are like the God Squad making claims to something you know next to noth9ing about
I do not think myself which I have already stated if you had bothered to read that continued use of drugs is the answer, but then I am not a medical expert so I cannotsay for sure either way. Its just an opinion one of which I would not advise because I would rather people sought out expert opinion.

Does that sink in yet?
Stop trying to brainwash people with bullshit as you are doing

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:50 am

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Your experince?

You have no experince and I find it dangerous that such an incompetant idiotis attempting to advise people.
Allow the experts to do their job

Thank you

don't be jealous that i have a career Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  and yes experience in the inner workings of the eduction system
And I DO GO TO CONFERENCES ON EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY  Wink  





Wow and that makes you an expert and qualified to advise medically on ADHD?
No it does not.
If you are an educator you would know what you are advising is wrong to do based on your limited knowledge. This is as bad as the God suad advising on alternative cures for cancer.
You are playing with childrens lives by advising on something to parents you do not fully understand.
Allow people to seek out different expert advice so as to what is best for their children.

You are the one SAYING ONLY DRUGS
so YOU PLEASE LET PEOPLE SEE THE ALTERNATIVE AND THE EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT SUPPLIED BY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

Cause Again I am saying consider diet and home-life before taking the drugs route
that is choices, some time the drugs may be necessary but as is shown in France it can be dramatically reduced from 7+% in the USA to under 0.5% in France.

now before parroting try thinking about what you are arguing against Your position in opposition to mine is load the kids with drugs don't consider diet or home-life as is the method for diagnosis in the USA

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by veya_victaous on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:52 am

PS my Mother is an expert in 'learning difficulties' recently retired not only attended conferences but presented at them.

You are WRONG stop promoting a drugs only solution if you are not getting paid to continue this mindless promotion of advertising material you are an idiot

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by Guest on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:53 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:


Wow and that makes you an expert and qualified to advise medically on ADHD?
No it does not.
If you are an educator you would know what you are advising is wrong to do based on your limited knowledge. This is as bad as the God suad advising on alternative cures for cancer.
You are playing with childrens lives by advising on something to parents you do not fully understand.
Allow people to seek out different expert advice so as to what is best for their children.

You are the one SAYING ONLY DRUGS
so YOU PLEASE LET PEOPLE SEE THE ALTERNATIVE AND THE EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT SUPPLIED BY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

Cause Again I am saying consider diet and home-life before taking the drugs route
that is choices, some time the drugs may be necessary but as is shown in France it can be dramatically reduced from 7+% in the USA  to under 0.5% in France.

now before parroting try thinking about what you are arguing against Your position in opposition to mine is load the kids with drugs don't consider diet or home-life as is the method for diagnosis in the USA


Have I backed only drugs?
That shows you have not read the thread.
Thank you for proving that you have not.
I am saying to people not to listen to you because you have no knowledge and no idea of what you are advising or its effects.
That is danagerous, as you offer up no coroborrating evidence for your claims.
What I am at odds with is an idiotthinking he knows better than experts and giving outadvice he has no idea of the reprecussions for.
Allow people to seek multiple expert opinion.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:55 am

veya_victaous wrote:PS my Mother is an expert in 'learning difficulties' recently retired not only attended conferences but presented at them.

You are WRONG stop promoting a drugs only solution if you are not getting paid to continue this mindless promotion of advertising material you are an idiot


Hearsay
I have not promoted drugs, if you had read I stated my view was on short term drug use at the beginning.
So again I suggest you read the thread and whatis said, but again my advise is an opinion, one that is not an experts, of which I would advise against my views and seek out expert advice.
Stop talking nonsense

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by Guest on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:57 am

Blimey I am going to work.
Remember none of us our experts and why I find such topics dangerous, where people can listen to poor advice

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Re: ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

Post by eddie on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:22 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:Can I put my hand up here?

I HAVE worked with ADHD children, and those classsd with learning difficulties.

Veya and Didge, both of you make very valid points and you're both right; I do think that some children are quick to be given drugs and I do know that a lot of the "crap" parents at the school I was at, seemed to have more than one child with ADHD....translated to "my children are left to run wild and I can't control them"

Yet, there aRe definitely children that have some kind of difficulty with the way they function in social and educational settings. Some are diagnosed quickly but with others, it can take some time as each child and case is really different and unique.

Home life is definitely taken into consideration and also any other siblings (if at the same school).

It takes a good while to get a statement for a child, they're not just given out willy-nilly.

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

Yes. I think most ADHD children could be taught in mainstream schools with an SEN teacher in place (over here they're called Special Educational Needs) if funding were not an issue
Also. Whatever is put in place within the setting needs to be continued in the same vein, at home.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:45 pm

eddie wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

Yes. I think most ADHD children could be taught in mainstream schools with an SEN teacher in place (over here they're called Special Educational Needs) if funding were not an issue
Also. Whatever is put in place within the setting needs to be continued in the same vein, at home.

Dont most ADHD children in England go to mainstream schools anyway? Or is it lke US where they want them medicated or they wont take them?

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